DZComposer Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Okay, why make a character who is generally accepted as being dead playable? WHY?! I had hope for this game fixing some story problems, but it looks like this one may have more plotholes than any other game in the series. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONE_HELLCAT Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I know. Unless he's only playable in multiplayer or something. And what's the point, Krystal 2 and James have the same stats as other characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kit Airheart Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Well I can't read it, so maybe I'm missing something... But, I'm sure there are people who still believe James truly didn't die. Isn't there a chance he could be a ghost or something? It might even be Fox in costume, like when you got all the medals in SF64...Surely there's a perfectly good explanation why they did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 The Katakana reads "Jemsu Makuraudo" or, in English, "James McCloud." I can't translite the Hiragana or the Kanji, so don't ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conall Drest Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Thats just fucking retarded Im never buying another starfox game from nintendo again until they remove James and add Miyu and Fay in. Way to ruin starfox nintendo good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krystal II Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 People can accept him as dead but that doesn't mean he actually is dead. Nobody is absolutly sure what happend to him, and if starfox contineus like like no one will ever do :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 *sigh* How many times to I have to point out Pigma's famous line? Daddy screamed real good when he DIED. [speculation] I'm betting this is either multiplayer or a flashback. Likewise, to explain Krysal2, there'll be a section of the game where you control Bulldog Unit. [/speculation] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zicka Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 NO. NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO.NO. I NOW DECLARE THIS THE WORST GAME IN STARFOX HISTORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhazonFox Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 You're all missing an extremely important rule of science fiction. You can never, ever assume that someone is dead until you see their lifeless body. Just the fact that James was shot down does not mean that he was killed. He's simply missing in action. Most of the characters believe that he's dead, but then again, they haven't seen the things that Fox has. Pigma's quote proves nothing. He was piloting the craft that shot James down, yes. Did he land and pull the body from the wreckage? Can we be sure that James never bailed out? One should also remember that Pigma is a bad guy. Why would he say that to Fox? The answer is obvous: to hurt him. Shake him up, make him angry, throw off his concentration. The fact that Pigma says James is dead doesn't necessarily mean it's true. You also forget Star Fox tradition. James has appeared in some form in every game since SF64. Even in Star Fox Adventures, one of the tokens you can find contains a message from James. There's no plotholes here, it's just an unresolved subplot. And all of you people who are pitching a hissy fit over this: You haven't even played the game yet. You don't know how or why James shows up. Most likely he'll fly in out of nowhere to help Fox out of a tight spot, say a few encouraging words, and disappear again. No one but Fox will notice in the chaos of battle, there will be more contraversy over whether he's alive or a phantom, and the mystery will be preserved. Perfectly consistent with the rest of the series. The fact that you can briefly control his Arwing in one mission is not the end of the world. You can't say that StarFox is ruined or that this is the worst game in StarFox history before you've even tried the game. Stop complaining and wait to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 ^ I agree with you on all of those terms, and there is a slite chance He is a unlockable character for multiplayer. Like in Mario Kart DS, if you beat the game on 150cc (hard mode) you unlocked the NES R.O.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I'd like to point out that we never see Mace Windu's body after...well, y'know. Nor the Borg Queen at the end of Voyager. What's the point? Nothing, just faulty logic. And it doesn't change the fact that James is in the game (in an Assault Arwing, might I add), whether in multiplayer only, a flashback, or completely resurrected. And I'm still getting this game. Or, here's a theory; Q-Games is trying to make a lot of throwbacks to the old games. SNES James disappeared, instead of being shot down. [/point to ponder] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox P McCloud Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Spoiler warning ahead: THIS IS UNCOMFIRMED! Apparently James McCloud helps you out on the final mission on Venom...please note that this came from Gamefaqs (rumor city).....so it may not be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhazonFox Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I'd like to point out that we never see Mace Windu's body after...well, y'know. Nor the Borg Queen at the end of Voyager. I never said it was always true. Still, it is not at all an uncommon occurance for a seemingly dead character to come back. The point I'm trying to make is that people shouldn't be acting like James' return is some horrible, game-destroying mistake. It's always been hinted that he could still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 If you want to be technical, it's hinted about 75-25 for him being dead. It's always been a possibility, but...this is Star Fox we're talking about. Most "plot twists" end up unravelling into "plot holes." ...50-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 -_-....i pity you guys....er....I the foos that hate SF! I thing that I may add is: Nintendo Power Comics! I Know I know....back then: Fox: Going gaga over Fara....Was crazy near end Falco: Hated Fox but still flu with him Slippy:....er.....don't get me started Peppy: DO A DARN BARRAL ROLL! Now there was two (In space and on Venom) spots that James was found.......as a Whale coming out of the Black Hole....and just like at the end of SF64...only shorter.... Now just don't go all Za Wardo on me and WWWAAAAAAAAARRRRYYY!!! me to death because I brought this stuff up......hey I'm just joining in the fun...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kit Airheart Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I never said it was always true. Still, it is not at all an uncommon occurance for a seemingly dead character to come back. The point I'm trying to make is that people shouldn't be acting like James' return is some horrible, game-destroying mistake. It's always been hinted that he could still be alive. Pretty much. Look, I'm surprised, but there's no way something like this is going to make me not want it. I realize it's strange, but...some of you guys seem to be going WAY off the handle. Maybe it's just me, but I fail to see how something like this would make or break the game for you. If what Fox P says is true, then I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfoxOkamichan Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I have a feeling a certain hole would appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaz3 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Thank you Phazonfox and Kit. Phazon, that's exactly what I think. I welcome James coming back, why do you hate it so much that a character that has been throwing up arguments since SF SNES is finally coming back and possibly revealing what happened to him? I'm glad we get another character, and James is quite a cool character so I see no problem coming back. I'm fairly sure that the dev teams realise the possibility of a MAJOR plothole and will probably try to fix it up. But really people, don't overreact, actually read what Phazon and Kit have written as they have written sensible posts, not flamebait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krystal II Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 *sigh* How many times to I have to point out Pigma's famous line? Pigma could've lied you know, he is/was a betrayer and there full of lies... I actually never believed James died... So he may be only in multiplayer but I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 I thing that I may add is: Nintendo Power Comics! Now there was two (In space and on Venom) spots that James was found.......as a Whale coming out of the Black Hole....and just like at the end of SF64...only shorter.... Now just don't go all Za Wardo on me and WWWAAAAAAAAARRRRYYY!!! me to death because I brought this stuff up......hey I'm just joining in the fun...! The NP comics are Null and Void because SF64 was a remake. It was a well known fact that Fox Sr. (renamed to James) was still alive in the SNES storylin, but trapped in another demension. In SF64, while it was never stated outright in-game, it was heavilly implied that James had died. Plus, a couple of Nintendo sources had said that he was dead. I'm not saying that him being in SFC is going to ruin the game. All I'm saying is that it is wringing the series story like a dishrag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zicka Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 You're all missing an extremely important rule of science fiction. You can never, ever assume that someone is dead until you see their lifeless body. Just the fact that James was shot down does not mean that he was killed. He's simply missing in action. Most of the characters believe that he's dead, but then again, they haven't seen the things that Fox has. Pigma's quote proves nothing. He was piloting the craft that shot James down, yes. Did he land and pull the body from the wreckage? Can we be sure that James never bailed out? One should also remember that Pigma is a bad guy. Why would he say that to Fox? The answer is obvous: to hurt him. Shake him up, make him angry, throw off his concentration. The fact that Pigma says James is dead doesn't necessarily mean it's true. You also forget Star Fox tradition. James has appeared in some form in every game since SF64. Even in Star Fox Adventures, one of the tokens you can find contains a message from James. There's no plotholes here, it's just an unresolved subplot. And all of you people who are pitching a hissy fit over this: You haven't even played the game yet. You don't know how or why James shows up. Most likely he'll fly in out of nowhere to help Fox out of a tight spot, say a few encouraging words, and disappear again. No one but Fox will notice in the chaos of battle, there will be more contraversy over whether he's alive or a phantom, and the mystery will be preserved. Perfectly consistent with the rest of the series. The fact that you can briefly control his Arwing in one mission is not the end of the world. You can't say that StarFox is ruined or that this is the worst game in StarFox history before you've even tried the game. Stop complaining and wait to see how it plays out. Or maybe in several official statements from the creators stating that he is indeed, officially dead, is what pisses us off. And it's an arrogant move to bring him back to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 We have talked about this before.. and he may be only playable in multiplayer.. I'm pretty sure Starfox for the Wii will be very good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 He is not in the multiplayer. The only character you can be is Fox. This was confirmed today on the japanese site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 ^ So what do you think about that James-like screenshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONE_HELLCAT Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 He is not in the multiplayer. The only character you can be is Fox. This was confirmed today on the japanese site. What?! Then what's the bloody point of having different ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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