Star Fox Villains Ideas

[Luminous-red]

I don`t know if this has been debated before, but i wanted to touch upon a subject that i always find interesting about the series, wich is the villains.

What i want to say is that, althought there are not much Star Fox games, each one of them always feature the plot of some villain causing trouble that must be defeated, however, i have noted that every villain in the series has an army at his disposal, wich is okay since it`s a staple of the series to have the team defeat a villain with an army (to have enemies in the game before reaching the final boss), Andross,the Aparoid Queen, the Anglar Emperor, etc.

As you see, it is something that is constant throughout the series, so i wanted to ask if you had any ideas for villains in the series, that could either follow this trend or feature something unique, like another cornerian as a main villain or something like that, it would be interesting to read those ideas.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and excuse me if i wrote something wrong.

[thunderflare]

I got this idea from a book I'm reading.

What if a loyal cornerian officer joins Andross or another faction, no one on corneria knows about this. The traitor is respected among the cornerian military, and frames general Pepper for sending the fleet into a trap set by Andross. Said traitor then takes control of the cornerian military and tell them to take down Starfox for being under the comand of general Pepper. Starfox must show the cornerian people of the traitor in there midst, while dodging the cornerian military.

Sorry if it's short it's just a quick idea and I hope it's what your looking for. :-)

[chaos_Leader]

Playing off of the above idea, I'd always been intrigued by the concept of someone on the inside of the military/protagonist organization betraying Star Fox and throwing them under the bus. Technically, this was already done in the "Farewell Beloved Falco" comic with Cpt. Shears, but not in a game yet. It's a popular trend these days, for the protagonists of games to be betrayed by those who've been "helping" the player, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if Star Fox went that way was well.

[sroberson]

I was playing with this thought in the thread I was running for a StarFox story.

One idea was to reinvite the Venomnian army as an enemy. As far as I can tell the remnant of Venom's army led by Oikkony in Assault was never really dealt with leading that for a possibility. I'm not a huge fan of this idea though because I feel like StarFox needs a break of fresh air. Something new that grips the characters (that will actually have personalities) in turmnoil as the plot jerks players around wondering if any one of them is going to be lost at some point.

A better idea that someone came up with was to bring another solar system into the series. The possiblities abound with such an introduction to another system with all of their problems and all of the rivalry or conflict that could brew between Lylat and (insert the blank name). I was personally a fan of introducing a terrorist group trying to instigate war between the two systems and its up to StarFox (hired by Corneria obviously) to discover what is going on.

-It has a very unknown force with infinite possiblities that go beyond the old "Andross" routine but avoid the "supernatural" enemies that StarFox has stuck with in the past.

-Plotline is very digestable to both mature and younger audiences as both groups relate it to terrorism in the real world

-It still has the familiar characters associated with Corneria and the Lylat system (heck, why not throw Bill, Katt, Fara, etc into the game to mix things up?). Having such a large scale issue in a game could open up a sort of strategy game as well? Tackling particular planets for different resources and access to other planets somewhat like SF64 and maybe playing different characters in parallel stories?

-New planets and terrain to explore or liberate on top of the possiblity of engaging in conflict in familiar planets within the Lylat system

-DLC? Maybe?

[TCPeppyTc]

Someone with an emotional connection to the characters. Andross was interesting because of his extremely important connection to Peppy, James, and Fox. There was real reason for Fox to want to kill him, and why he was a threat. It has to be more than just a cool looking bad guy.

[sroberson]

Someone with an emotional connection to the characters. Andross was interesting because of his extremely important connection to Peppy, James, and Fox. There was real reason for Fox to want to kill him, and why he was a threat. It has to be more than just a cool looking bad guy.

While I agree that Andross has become a symbol in the franchise and is very recognizable, he needs to be retired after being killed 3 times by now. I do understand what you mean about having to come up with some sort of villain that makes a connection to the characters in a personal level to invoke some kind of emotion...without that it just feels a bit empty.

Heh, maybe Oikkony survived in Assault? That would kind of keep things going as far as the Andross plot goes (don't know anything about Dash)

[thunderflare]

What if you had General Pepper and Krystal being kidnapped by the enemy, but they are replaced by impostors who are disguised as them. The Starfox team and the cornerian military see no change, but Peppy does he is put in jail under treason, after this the rest of the Starfox team start to be believe Peppy. The impostors try to keep Starfox for what happened. Eventually Starfox finds out Krystal is one of the impostors, Fox and his team much find and save Krystal. Starfox still has no idea General Pepper is among there enemy's. After flying around on a wild goose chase and into traps set by the impostor General Pepper, they find Krystal and she tells them about the enemy in command of the military, and that General Pepper was kidnapped and sent some were else.

Or you could have them not finding the impostor and the disguised Krystal tries to kill or subdue Fox.

Another idea but this one with a lot of conflict among the characters

I do like the idea of Oikkony surviving or having another solar system.

[sroberson]

What if you had General Pepper and Krystal being kidnapped by the enemy, but they are replaced by impostors who are disguised as them. The Starfox team and the cornerian military see no change, but Peppy does he is put in jail under treason, after this the rest of the Starfox team start to be believe Peppy. The impostors try to keep Starfox for what happened. Eventually Starfox finds out Krystal is one of the impostors, Fox and his team much find and save Krystal. Starfox still has no idea General Pepper is among there enemy's. After flying around on a wild goose chase and into traps set by the impostor General Pepper, they find Krystal and she tells them about the enemy in command of the military, and that General Pepper was kidnapped and sent some were else.

Or you could have them not finding the impostor and the disguised Krystal tries to kill or subdue Fox.

Who do you figure would kidnap and replace Krystal and Pepper (or other characters)? I kind of feel like kidnapping Fox and putting him "behind enemy lines" as he fights his way out would give him a chance to be the bad-ass leader of StarFox that he should be in my opinion. It gives the player a feeling of familiarity with their enemy (the imposters to some degree) that has importance to other characters in the game, much like the Andross vs Fox/James McCloud thing that TCPepperTc was getting at. I only fear that replacing characters in a game with imposters would make a problem with character development even worse. Unstable characters like Krystal and Fox could have their identities be even more damaged

[Luminous-red]

Those are some interesting ideas you all have, i see the idea that is mostly common is some antagonist that in the beggining has the trust of the team but ends up betraying them, i think thats somehting that we havent seen yet in any game, just in Andross backstory so it definitely have some potential for a villain.

[chaos_Leader]

A better idea that someone came up with was to bring another solar system into the series. The possiblities abound with such an introduction to another system with all of their problems and all of the rivalry or conflict that could brew between Lylat and (insert the blank name). I was personally a fan of introducing a terrorist group trying to instigate war between the two systems and its up to StarFox (hired by Corneria obviously) to discover what is going on.

Dicey at best. Lylat is already almost as dysfunctional as a sitcom family, and throwing another outside threat into the fray is just asking for confusion. One step at a time, please. But even then, I have been working with an idea related to this, based around pre-destruction Cerinia instead... yeah, it's complicated.

Okay, the whole imposter shtick is an idea that probably won't hold water, not for anything beyond a single fast and furious arc. I feel this approach is most effective if done quickly, when there wouldn't necessarily be time to verify the identity. I've seen this done before, most notably in the "Mission Impossible" films, and n some other places. All these times it was done quickly and furiously, when there wouldn't have been time to catch on to little nuances that might give the imposter away.

I'm done ranting now, I promise :)

[Ala1n-J]

Following the events of 64, one can guess that a few from Andross' army have become self-proclaimed warlords or that venomian weapons and technology have gotten in the hands of pirates and now they represent a serious threat to Corneria. Sure Starfox would go there and kick their butts, but I'd like to think that some high placed officers in Corneria might want to get rid of them, not by getting them killed but by saying that the army shouldn't rely on mercenaries to win wars and now it is time the regular army managed to do the job. So here we have the pirates threat, the Cornerian army not eager to hire mercenaries, and Starfox fighting its way through this mess. And one can also think of some kind of enemy acting in periphery of the confusion, waiting its hour to strike Lylat (Drakkor anyone? Andross should get a rest), but Starfox will not allow it.

About those officers who don't like Starfox, they could also say that Starfox has "stolen" military material in order to discredit Fox and crew, idk. Just some random idea.

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[Gestalt]

Hey, what if the cornerian army became corrupt after General Pepper left office...and this time around fox had to fight against Corneria to liberate Lylat from the injustices of the Cornerian Army

[chaos_Leader]

Hey, what if the cornerian army became corrupt after General Pepper left office...and this time around fox had to fight against Corneria to liberate Lylat from the injustices of the Cornerian Army

I don't know about the whole army, it's an awfully big military division. A new harsh chief officer, plus select officers within the army, who take a firmer stance might be a more plausible scenario. You have to understand, "corrupting" an entire military into a single totalitarian ideology is pretty damn near impossible, and even then, that kind of process takes time. What's more likely and more believable is if the antagonist has a warpe/skewed set of beliefs, where he truly believes himself to be in the right, twisted his prospective may be. And even then, enlisted soldiers follow orders, they follow as directed by their commanding officers in a chain of command, that is how a military works. Officers though, as the ones who make decisions and issue the orders, often have a little more thought to their actions than carrying out orders as soldiers do. Officers are where divisions and infighting are boud to happen.

[sroberson]

I don't know about the whole army, it's an awfully big military division. A new harsh chief officer, plus select officers within the army, who take a firmer stance might be a more plausible scenario. You have to understand, "corrupting" an entire military into a single totalitarian ideology is pretty damn near impossible, and even then, that kind of process takes time. What's more likely and more believable is if the antagonist has a warpe/skewed set of beliefs, where he truly believes himself to be in the right, twisted his prospective may be. And even then, enlisted soldiers follow orders, they follow as directed by their commanding officers in a chain of command, that is how a military works. Officers though, as the ones who make decisions and issue the orders, often have a little more thought to their actions than carrying out orders as soldiers do. Officers are where divisions and infighting are boud to happen.

For the more learned players of StarFox they could easily relate the notion of military take overs to the unrest in the Middle East...If one can't tell I am rather for linking the game (at least very lightly) to the struggles occuring in the real world so more fans of all walks of life can appreciate the message it gets across if they can't appreciate anything else about it (but hopefully gameplay would be kick-ass all the same). The idea of using military leaders as the antagonists sounds promising indeed, but what do you figure would cause such a change of heart among them? Sounds like another opportunity to drop the ball on full story development that would have to happen to get to the point of leaders of the military turning 'evil'

Thinking on the comment you made about adding another system to the issues going on, you are probably right. It is taking a rather large step and invites a slew of other gaping plot holes to happen, founded on a weakly supported story since Adventures and based on characters that have had their personalities tinkered with so we can't figure out who they really are. Maybe later down the road after another game or two sets the scene for the inclusion of another system? (I am sort of basing the idea of another system entering the picture on the Post "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi" world that introduces an alien race, the Yuuzhan Vong, from beyond the known galaxy that wishes nothing more than the destruction of all non-believers of their religion...in case anyone has read those stories or know anything about them)

[Peter]

I would like to see something akin to a Vietnam-esque Star Fox. Like, they're totally out of money, so they have to resort to joining the military. The people on Fortuna are all bad and evil don't like the Cornerians, so the military takes over Fortuna, and Fox and co. are all part of the same unit, doing patrols, defending their base, etc. Eventually it is all a big conspiracy, and General Pepper (or whoever is General at this point, I'd like to see a new face) has to be taken down.

[Gestalt]

I would like to see something akin to a Vietnam-esque Star Fox. Like, they're totally out of money, so they have to resort to joining the military. The people on Fortuna are all bad and evil don't like the Cornerians, so the military takes over Fortuna, and Fox and co. are all part of the same unit, doing patrols, defending their base, etc. Eventually it is all a big conspiracy, and General Pepper (or whoever is General at this point, I'd like to see a new face) has to be taken down.

This idea would be a greaet idea for a SF prequel...where we do the same... only with James back when he too was in the Cornerian Armi :)

[Sideways]

They kinda played in on this before in assault with Star Wolf working with StarFox, but how about a force more evil then Andross threatens to destroy the Lylat System. Andross temporarily joins forces with StarFox/Lylat system until this threat is taken care of - then he turns on his new allies. Anyone who's watched Transformers Prime and saw the end of Season 1 knows what I'm talking about with Megatron joining forces with Optimus Prime to combat Unicron, they win, then Megatron prepares to kill Optimus - then stops when Optimus calls him Megatronus. lol.

[sroberson]

They kinda played in on this before in assault with Star Wolf working with StarFox, but how about a force more evil then Andross threatens to destroy the Lylat System. Andross temporarily joins forces with StarFox/Lylat system until this threat is taken care of - then he turns on his new allies. Anyone who's watched Transformers Prime and saw the end of Season 1 knows what I'm talking about with Megatron joining forces with Optimus Prime to combat Unicron, they win, then Megatron prepares to kill Optimus - then stops when Optimus calls him Megatronus. lol.

I feel like Andross needs to be dropped after being killed in in basically 4 games and supposedly with Adventures being the final time he is 'killed'. I did have a bit of a total head cannon moment in creating a fictional character for the StarFox galaxy and realized that in all reality, the 'Dash Makes a Choice' ending to Command has serious promise for developing an even larger scale conflict than the Lylat Wars. Of course, this would assume that Command is canon and that the events that occur within it should be accepted as 'fact' for the StarFox story. But it does have the familiar background of massive galactic wide conflict based around Venom, invites most of StarFox team to reappear in the game, if not other more non-canon characters as well (I guess minus Krystal, but who knows), and allows us to play through revamped planets that we can already recognize.

Maybe I am picturing a fanfiction based on this moreso than a game considering some of the plot buildup around this mysterious character I made up (if i wanted to include them), basically obliterates the original StarFox team and allows Fox to go into hiding.