Redeemer Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 So we have here, the description for Wolf's trophy in SSB3DS: "Wolf used to fight in Andross's Army, where he tangled with Star Fox in many a dogfight. After Andross's exile, he went his own way and formed a mercenary team called Star Wolf. He and his eternal rival Fox have even fought on the same side from time to time... but inevitably, they always meet again as enemies." Apparently, Wolf was actually in Andross' Army? As in, a soldier? We knew that Wolf was hired by Andross while he was the leader of Star Wolf, but does this mean that he and Andross actually go back further than we knew? Is this finally some of his mysterious early life being revealed? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharaoh Shadon Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm actually having high hopes for the next starfox game story wise. I mean the trophy's are strangely informative on things that we knew nothing about. Like its suggesting that Krystal MAY have used her mind powers to pretty much brainwash fox into loving her, and now Wolf was actually apart of Andross's army? Now I'm not an expert pre-adventures, but I'm pretty sure he was just a guy for hire (I mean I don't see someone like Pigma being a soldier although his actions may at times seem like he's a soldier for Andross. So I'm guessing that starwolf may have been the equivalent of starfox in Andross's army. Technically working for him, but known more as a solo group or whatever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 That's interesting. Smash Bros. trophies have alluded to Wolf's history/rivalry with James before and this seems to line up with that. Weird that we're getting more background on him through Smash Bros trophies than actual games, but it is interesting nonetheless... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 So what, Andross had an army before being banished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoprimedonna Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! Other M put Metroid in an awkward state. The game was tied to how nobody at Nintendo knows which way to market Metroid. With the state of SF nowadays I'm sure a game like Other M would put the series away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! do not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xidphel Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 And apparently, Command is cannon since in Pepper's trophy, "Peppy takes his place as general." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch93 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I'm actually having high hopes for the next starfox game story wise. I wouldn't count on that. Miyamoto has already explicitly stated that the new game will not be focusing on story. (Probably for the best.) I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! Dude, that is the last fucking thing Star Fox needs, especially after the shit we got with the GC/DS trilogy. A Star Fox Other M would kill the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfinitySquared Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Ya know, I'd always kinda thought that Star Fox was one of just many mercenary teams hired by Pepper. I mean, isn't it a little odd that he'd only hire 4 people to liberate 10 damn planets? Methinks there'd be other teams going around on other parts of the planets, and Star Fox was either just another team or the top-tier one. Soo maybe Star Wolf was another mercenary group that went rogue and started working for Andross? That's all I really got fanon wise. Dude, that is the last fucking thing Star Fox needs, especially after the shit we got with the GC/DS trilogy. A Star Fox Other M would kill the franchise. Dear god, this. Can you imagine a gazillion weepy romantic subplots or Fox waxing on about his daddy issues? Wait a second... Maybe I should just keep my damn mouth shut : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch93 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 It'd be even worse though. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfinitySquared Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Let's just make a gentleman's agreement not to ponder the profound depths of just how bad that could be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 And apparently, Command is cannon since in Pepper's trophy, "Peppy takes his place as general." Why wouldn't it be "canon"? Because most of the endings stop the current continuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarFoxfan-FUR_ever Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why wouldn't it be "canon"? Because most of the endings stop the current continuity? I'm pretty sure someone who worked on the game said to ignore all the game endings, and that the next SF game would reveal the "real" ending. But considering how much time has passed, I'm pretty sure any game planned to go in that direction was shelved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Citation needed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! Don't. Please. Yeah I find the idea of Soldier Wolf very interesting and he does deserve more backstory considering how major a character he is. I'd really love for the new SF to follow up on this little teasing nugget of information in his trophy because it begs a lot of questions. I'd always figured that Wolf was just another merc who was really money and power focused and worked for whoever paid the most and promised the most authority. But being active in the army, that's a more political thing, which means either Wolf had other interests once, or he had a higher agenda and started working from the very bottom. Also, who's Star Fox did Wolf tangle with? James' Star Fox? Because if this is before Andross' exile, that means James is still around. Just how old is Wolf?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Also, R3d just unlocked the Falco trophy, which states Falco to be an "ex-gang leader". More nodding to Farewell Beloved Falco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 And apparently, Command is cannon since in Pepper's trophy, "Peppy takes his place as general." Didn't that happen in Assault? Or at the very least implied in Assault that Pepper was retiring. Hopefully they only salvage only good ideas from Command, such as that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 It wasn't said anywhere in Assault that Peppy would replace Pepper. And there's nothing that says the next SF game will even be in the current continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Since when are we taking things in Smash as canon? I missed that memo.Also, it is worth noting that in the Japanese canon, Wolf was apparently being manipulated by Pigma and Andross. Perhaps it is referencing that.http://f.starfox-online.net/sf64/guides/keibunsha/comicscript.php?currentpage=111st page: (Explanation of Star Wolf)Wolf O'Donnell: Seems like your father's waiting for you in hellHe's a super first-rate pilot, and leader of Star Wolf. He's villainous by nature, but is also manly and broad-minded. He does not realize that he is being secretly manipulated by Andross and Pigma.Pigma Dengar: Long time no see, PeppyHe'll resort to all sorts of dirty tactics for money, and will betray without batting an eye. He worships Andross as the "Emperor", and is the person pulling the strings to move Star Wolf in accordance to Andross's orders.Leon Powalski: Kneel before me!He is a cold and heartless sniper, feared most of the Star Wolf members. His origins and history are a mystery; his existence is eerie.Andrew Oikonny: Uncle Andross!He is Andross's nephew, and nothing more. He makes it a point to point out this relationship at every opportunity, and hated by his teammates for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Since when are we taking things in Smash as canon? I missed that memo. I'd always reckoned that the trophies with little snippets of information were more or less insights from Nintendo. For example, the Re-Dead trophy states that Re-Deads are not actually zombies but cursed clay creatures, contrary to popular belief. So it just struck me that if they're going to bother writing all this stuff, it would have some truth behind it. But if it's all just for fun then cool, but that should also be stated otherwise we end up having these conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Since when are we taking things in Smash as canon? I missed that memo. It is strange that Smash would offer more insight than the games themselves, but Nintendo is picky about the way their characters are represented and all information pertaining to them would have had to have been okayed here. I thought the Wolf thing was an error at first but thinking about it more I don't think that would've gone unnoticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoprimedonna Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I see an a la Metroid:Other M game a-commin'! Yeah... I got TOO hard on it right? But you get my point right: several flashbacks in the game, OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 No, flashbacks are like a narrative death sentence. I mean, it's theoretically possible to tastefully weave flashbacks into a plotline without grinding the momentum to a complete halt and completely fracturing the story's identity, but I wouldn't trust anyone writing a Star Fox game with that. Either go full prequel (or single prequel stage) or go home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Assuming that isn't a translation error and it really is "part of the continuity", then that means Andross already had an army before he was banished to Venom. Which brings to question what Andross's position was before he was banished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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