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Redeemer Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nah you know he dead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Didn't we JUST have a thread about this? and it's been 9 years since the last canon game in the series that isnt a remake. Everyone's played it all, spoilers aren't a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Didn't we JUST have a thread about this?and it's been 9 years since the last canon game in the series that isnt a remake. Everyone's played it all, spoilers aren't a problem. I didn't see another thread on this subject, but I submitted this somewhat late at night, so maybe I totally missed it. As for the spoiler tags, I tend to be on the really cautious end, but I can remove them if there isn't a risk of spoiling plot details any longer. EDIT: Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 He's dead. Him not being dead would discount the entirety of the only thing resembling a character arc that Fox has been through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Power Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well if we are going by the n64 canon.. James was captured by the betrayal of Pigma Dangar on planet Venom. Peppy barely escaped. So it's clear that James was in captivity under Andross.. James would be the biggest threat to Andross at the time, so the only reasonable thing to do would be to kill him. If James survived he would of had plenty of time to escape. I believe the intro states a few years pass after the events of the sabotaged scout mission. Then Fox makes his new Starfox team. In my opinion I think the disembodied spirit of James helped Fox escape the base. Or possibly Fox had a near death experience, and his mind compensated an apparition to keep his wits about him in survival mode. As much as I want James to be alive, Nintendo never has done much with it, and any view otherwise is just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Redeemer Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Instead of killing James, I imagine Andross as having been more clever than that. Then wouldn't he just, you know, kill him? Get the most prominent threat out of your life for good? I don't think necromancy or whatever it is you're thinking was really on Andross' "to-do" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The JP SF64 manual says James is dead. Not it stops him from showing up alive somewhere. What with how everybody in Star Wolf died in 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 The JP SF64 manual says James is dead. Not it stops him from showing up alive somewhere. What with how everybody in Star Wolf died in 64. The intro to Star Fox 64 only says that James was "captured." Then wouldn't he just, you know, kill him? Get the most prominent threat out of your life for good? I don't think necromancy or whatever it is you're thinking was really on Andross' "to-do" list. Except that Andross knew James had a son, Fox, who would eventually come after him. I'm thinking Andross planned to use James against Fox somehow when that happened, but didn't count on James being able to resist his influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Except that Andross knew James had a son, Fox, who would eventually come after him. I'm thinking Andross planned to use James against Fox somehow when that happened, but didn't count on James being able to resist his influence. I have to give it to you, this is the silliest headcanon in this fandom that I've ever seen. I honestly don't see how any of this works and as far as canon goes, James is dead. It's fun to speculate what happened but this is just a little too absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiana Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Would be a fun fanfic idea but there's no way that's what they were getting at in canon, sorry. It's too huge of a behind-the-scenes thing to never at all be mentioned by anyone in the actual game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giladen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The intro to Star Fox 64 only says that James was "captured." The English version doesn't outrank the Japanese verson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robert Monroe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Because he's fucking James McCloud he does what he wants bitch /thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Redeemer Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 More importantly, though, is that we can all get what we want out of the story. Agreed wholeheartedly, as long as we actually acknowledge what the story is trying to tell us. It's also important to heed and respect what the writers have actually written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Power Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I really wish Nintendo would of kept the snes Itoh comics as canon to the series. The black hole idea is really awesome. I suppose James being trapped in a parrell dimension would be a plausible way this theory could work. There's always been holes to fill in the plot for starfox. It makes it fun to think about it though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph. Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 If James is dead then what did Fox actually see, hear, and follow? My guess: Nintendo just likes to mess around with the players head. Stating he's dead in the game but later appearing creates in-depth thoughts. Thoughts that'll make the player come back and revisit the game to probably figure out if he's dead/alive or allow fans to exchange thoughts with one another. This makes the ending more meaningful rather then just being dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Knows Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I think he is dead i have not played SF64 in awhile so my memory is hazy but i am pretty sure he left the same way fox left the tunnel and if he was alive why didn't rob or any other member of Star Fox not spot him while he was exiting out with fox Edit 1 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 I think he is dead i have not played SF64 in awhile so my memory is hazy but i am pretty sure he left the same way fox left the tunnel and if he was alive why didn't rob or any other member of Star Fox not spot him while he was exiting out with fox Edit 1 Spelling I provide alternative explanations to that and more in the Reddit thread I created: http://www.reddit.com/r/starfox/comments/2jrmx6/spoilers_could_james_mccloud_still_be_alive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Knows Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I provide alternative explanations to that and more in the Reddit thread I created: http://www.reddit.com/r/starfox/comments/2jrmx6/spoilers_could_james_mccloud_still_be_alive/ Ah i forgot to read that apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ah i forgot to read that apologies No worries, though I'm not sure why you are apologizing, since I don't see how you would even know that thread existed until now. Anyway, I'm frequenty adding to and improving that thread, so if you're interested, you should check back there often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Knows Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah but i am usually on top of things i guess its that 2:00 AM feeling currently waiting for commercials to pass to watch Hellsing OVA 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah but i am usually on top of things i guess its that 2:00 AM feeling currently waiting for commercials to pass to watch Hellsing OVA 6 Again, no worries. But back to the topic: In the Reddit thread, I explain (among other things) how James could be alive yet also realistically go unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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