DZComposer Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I am posting this here because of the implications it serves and this forum is getting more activity than the gaming one. Sony's arrogance goes beyond the mouths of their executives. Take Blue Ray and Betamax, for instance. How about shipping what turned out to be firebombs instead of laptop batteries? Let's not forget about the XCP DRM debacle during which Sony screwed over thousands of people's computers with poorly written borderline viruses that monitored optical drives for pirated content and copying. The latest victim? Lik-Sang. Lik-Sang was how I got my Japanese copy of SFC, and where I was planning on ordering Dau Gassou (SP?) Band Bros this Yuletime. Why is Sony pissed? Piracy? Nope. They're mad that Lik-Sang sold out-of-region PSPs in Europe: 'Sony claimed that Lik-Sang infringed its trade marks, copyright and registered design rights by selling Sony PSP consoles from Asia to European customers, and have recently obtained a judgment in the High Court of London (England) rendering Lik-Sang's sales of PSP consoles unlawful. " The damages, court costs, and attourneys' fees have all been dumped on Lik-Sang. Appearently, this costs is too great for them to continue operating, even sans-Sony products. Any of you who ordered anything from them better contact them to see if your order will be filled. SRC = http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3901 This precedent is scary, and could potentially lead to the death of the video game importing industry. I personally have been full-boycotting Sony since the XCP crap. I am hereby calling for more people to join me and show Sony that they should pay more attention to their customers. List of Sony-owned and influenced comapnies: - Sony (Consumer electronics, PCs) - Sony-BMG (RIAA member Record Label) - Sony Pictures (MPAA member move studio) - Sony Computer Entertainment (Playstation) - Sony-Ericsson (Cell Phones) - Columbia-Tristar Pictures (MPAA member movie studio) - Aiwa (consumer electronics) - S-LCD Corp. - MGM (MPAA member movie studio) - Sony/NEC Optiarc - Konica Minolta Digital SLR Cameras - Grouper Networks Sony Media Formats: - Blu-Ray - Mini Disc - Memory Stick - HDV - DV - MiniDV - SACD - Hi8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 damnit there it goes another opportunity to get a Wii at normal price /= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Every Sony Product I've ordered or bought has worked perfectly, I've heard of there products malfunctions but never from someone I knew. I like Sony's products, and the fact that their product line spreads them so thin doesn't bother me(Thus quality control problems). Lik-Sang's legal mistakes are not Sony's fault, and the fact that Sony has survived even while competing with Microsoft, Nintendo, and Mac is proof of their fortitude. Then again if Sony and Mac merge they can both go to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share Posted October 25, 2006 Have you heard of the XCP DRM? If not, I suggest you Google it and then re-evaluate your opinion of Sony. Any company that intentionally infects their customers computers with a near-virus deserves whole-heartedly to be boycotted for that alone. Boycotts are not usually about the quality of a company's product, but rather about their business practices and policies. For instance, for like three things, my home theater system is all Sony stuff. Of course it was all purchased before Sony pissed me off, but I'm not going out and buying new stuff because of it. Sony already has that money anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I've been boycotting Sony since the PS2 (though I doubt I bought any Sony products before that). While we're at it, let's boycot Microsoft too. Since, you know, the whole operating system is as bad a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 *finished reading about XCP DRM* So they're experimenting in the field with that sort of thing are they, Impressive, that just shows the extent of their ambition, and conferms some of my... theories you might call them. Sony has inner-workings you would not understand, and your little Boycott isn't going to stop them from completing their goals, I'm not asking you to change I'm just asking you to... be ready for, when the time is right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 But really handing out fire bombs to there customers is crazy and it shows that they did not test there products, and intentionally infecting there custumers computers with virus's is not right, lets play the what if game for a second now I don't complety know what a near- virus is but what if this virus infects a sony computer working for the goverment and messes up something very important, yeah Sony way to go. Plus not a lot of people are going to buy a $600 video game console, $600 smackers thats not even counting the games you have to buy for it and extra controllers. Under my opinon Microsft- Computers and computer related stuff Nintendo- video games( One company making video games is perfect, there will be no "ahhhh but is on the PS2 and not the Game cube" but I know why other companys biuld video games, they just want some of the money) Sony- Recording devices like camras and crap Mac- music keep the ipod  lose the computers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 did not test there products Wrong! One out of all of the units recalled overheated in testing, all of the recalled units were tested. if they field tested every single battery they shipped out they would have found that one problematic unit, but their customers would be buying used products and these products would have been shipped out months maybe years after manufacture, rather then weeks... infecting there custumers computers with virus's Wrong! It was not a virus, it was a Program one out of many, many hundreds created by the company. One that failed, out hundreds that work superbly Microsft- Computers and computer related stuff Nintendo- video games( One company making video games is perfect, there will be no "ahhhh but is on the PS2 and not the Game cube" but I know why other companys biuld video games, they just want some of the money) Sony- Recording devices like camras and crap Mac- music keep the ipod  lose the computers You Rock!! You said what is true... but Sony supplys batteries for Mac and Microsoft Laptops, if you boycott Sony, your boycotting laptops, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Sony have got too big so that thier economy got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 The DRM program is technically a virus: 1. It installs itself without permission. 2. It runs at the very core of the operating system, where most programs aren't allowed to run, but this program forces itself into. 3. It installs itself on other computers from media created on an infected computer. More... The uninstall leaves the computer in worse shape than before it was installed and forces you to give up your identity to Sony. You must use this software to play music on these CDs, legally purchased or not. Sony is not the only company that makes batteries, so a boycott on Sony is not a boycott on laptops. The battery thing is unfortunate, and it hurts, but it's true that it's not really their direct fault that thos batteries exploded. You really can't test every product fully. Mac should not get out of computers. To do so would to remove about half of the industry's innovation and some very good computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Leo. Wrong! It was not a virus, it was a Program one out of many, many hundreds created by the company. One that failed, out hundreds that work superbly Dwight The DRM program is technically a virus: 1. It installs itself without permission. 2. It runs at the very core of the operating system, where most programs aren't allowed to run, but this program forces itself into. 3. It installs itself on other computers from media created on an infected computer. More... The uninstall leaves the computer in worse shape than before it was installed and forces you to give up your identity to Sony. You must use this software to play music on these CDs, legally purchased or not. DRM sure sounds like a virus to me Leo. On Mac giving up Computers, My perants told me not to like Macs and sense my Father works with computers every day for a living and I don't, why should I argue. In fact I own nothing Mac related. I'm sure eveyone has hear the story about how Sony got into video games, right. One of Nintendos biggest mistakes.... (I case you don't know I'm referring to the G4 telling of the story) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Winters Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 >_> I posted this on the gaming board a few minutes ago. >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeWalker Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 On Mac giving up Computers, My perants told me not to like Macs and sense my Father works with computers every day for a living and I don't, why should I argue. In fact I own nothing Mac related. Umm, not to rag on your folks, but you really ought to try forming your own opinions through experience instead of internalizing the opinions of others. Macs, from what I hear, are wonderful tools for anyone interested in graphic design of any sort. I, personally, hate them, but I'm also not into graphic design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Umm, not to rag on your folks, but you really ought to try forming your own opinions through experience instead of internalizing the opinions of others. Macs, from what I hear, are wonderful tools for anyone interested in graphic design of any sort. I, personally, hate them, but I'm also not into graphic design. It kind of grows on you when you have been hearing it for 3/4's of your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 "*finished reading about XCP DRM* So they're experimenting in the field with that sort of thing are they, Impressive, that just shows the extent of their ambition, and conferms some of my... theories you might call them. Sony has inner-workings you would not understand, and your little Boycott isn't going to stop them from completing their goals, I'm not asking you to change I'm just asking you to... be ready for, when the time is right..." I am not the only one organizing Sony boycotts. If enough people boycott, it can hurt ANY company. Last I checked, Sony's finances weren't so hot so don't say it isn't impossible. Remember: the reason for going into business is to make money. To make money, you need enough customers to remain profitable. To say 'they're too big' is giving up before trying. As a consumer, you can vote with your dollar. The fact that you are defending XCP disturbs me deeply. "Inner workings you wouldn't understand" is no excuse for that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Right, No matter how good you products are, if no one buys them your going out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 "*finished reading about XCP DRM* So they're experimenting in the field with that sort of thing are they, Impressive, that just shows the extent of their ambition, and conferms some of my... theories you might call them. Sony has inner-workings you would not understand, and your little Boycott isn't going to stop them from completing their goals, I'm not asking you to change I'm just asking you to... be ready for, when the time is right..." I am not the only one organizing Sony boycotts. If enough people boycott, it can hurt ANY company. Last I checked, Sony's finances weren't so hot so don't say it isn't impossible. Remember: the reason for going into business is to make money. To make money, you need enough customers to remain profitable. To say 'they're too big' is giving up before trying. As a consumer, you can vote with your dollar. The fact that you are defending XCP disturbs me deeply. "Inner workings you wouldn't understand" is no excuse for that crap. I thought it was funny, anyways it would be harder to kill Sony then you might think, they've spread their roots pretty deep. In fact I don't have to argue about this, it's just fun to. Also the battery in the alleged accident apparently burnt down a house, what a laptop was doing unplugged and unsupervised I don't know... Plus mac has been known for problems in this area as well MacBook. Yes the XCP DRM was bad, but did Sony claim responsibility for it I seriously don't remember... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Fortunately, Sony might well kill itself. They had Blue Ray problems, PS3 delays, DRM scandal, exploding batteries, and now a severly overpriced video game console. They're digging their on grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Fortunately, Sony might well kill itself. They had Blue Ray problems, PS3 delays, DRM scandal, exploding batteries, and now a severly overpriced video game console. They're digging their on grave. It's spelt own, and your not taking a clear picture here you've got your finger covering half the lense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 there's not need to point anything here.....Leo, that was a typo mistake. sony just wants to be bigger and bigger....that's not wrong, however if they plan to keep making mistakes and just throwing sues to other small companies...well then, that's just unfair and stupid; I don't hate sony, I even have a VAIO sony laptop to give my proof I don't hate them, the problem is...how much freaking power sony is trying to get.....and how much money they want to get by overpricing every of their producs (not only videogame stuff); like dwight said, they are just digging their own grave, and I can steadly say that because taxes of sony products out of US and Japan are just more than over priced, I won't be surpriced if the PS3 costs $1,000 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conall Drest Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Sony should go the hell out of business. They are ruining the gaming market with their crappy systems and they almost caused SEGA to go out of business. I kinda hate nintendo too cause they overhype everything and ruin series like starfox. The only thing keeping me from backstabbing them is Zelda TP and if it does not get released on the cube im dropping my faith in Nintendo and ill look to the past to suit my gaming needs. If the PS3 wins this console war ill be pissed off to the max. They sell too many PS's and PS2's and those are so junky built and overpriced its retarded. Anyone who thinks PS3 is good is my enemy automatically. I just hope SEGA goes back to the console wars and gets the last laugh at sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I just hope SEGA goes back to the console wars and gets the last laugh at sony. Same here, I wasn't around when SEGA made consoles, but I would like to see what they can put on the table instead of the same Sonic stuff. On looking at the PS3 what are they doing new? The PS3 to me is the same thing as the PS2 and 1 just better graphics, in fact to try and hide that they ripped off Big N and put a motion senser in there controller too. In fact this could be proof of them digging their on grave, they are afraid of Nintendos Wii® price: $249.99 and Microsofts XBOX 360 price: $400. Do they really think they could wn with a $600 dallar console? Hell not in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 In my opinion... PS3's Graphics would just be TOO good.. I dunno how many gigabytes a Disk would be at like... and well, yes, it mostly feels like a yet another graphically update of PS2, with just another design and stuffs... Well, Sony got bacily everthing... lots of owned companies and tons of different kinds of stuffs sells... They are Great on videocameras and such... and winns many awards.. but it with the Sony-label it kinda feels more like that its a stereo or something... I don't hate sony itself and all products.. I just hate how they are being and so. Edit: boycott sony, but I like the cameras and such.. but a boycott can make them change thier minds, and cause thier economy is in danger.. They had to hire an american VD, cause they dont fire people in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 It's spelt own, and your not taking a clear picture here you've got your finger covering half the lense... Leo, I can appreciate a counter argument as much as the next guy, but you have to do more than point out my spelling mistakes and telling me that I "just don't understand." Please give me a reason why I don't understand and back it up with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Wilopolis Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Wow, this certainly is odd. I like PS2... It's the only way I can play stuff like Guilty Gear without having to buy an XBOX. All of these points are interesting... And I agree with this stuff on some levels. Sony... Well, irritates me every now and then, but... Well, people make mistakes. Nintendo's messed up before, but we still lurve it. But, Sony's been making tooo many mistakes... But, if they find a way to redeem themselves, then one shouldn't hold a grudge, mmkay? Also, Sony is... a bit full of itself, ne? Hopefully, they'll change their attitude, but we can't count on it... As for boycotting it, well... I'm not sure... *shrugs* I'm indifferent to the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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