Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Leo, I can appreciate a counter argument as much as the next guy, but you have to do more than point out my spelling mistakes and telling me that I "just don't understand." Please give me a reason why I don't understand and back it up with facts. Sorry about that I was running short on time if you want a scandal to fret over go to http://www.sublymonal.com/ (it changes often so vist weekly sometimes there's some pretty edgy stuff there...) there's not need to point anything here.....Leo, that was a typo mistake. sony just wants to be bigger and bigger....that's not wrong, however if they plan to keep making mistakes and just throwing sues to other small companies...well then, that's just unfair and stupid; I don't hate sony, I even have a VAIO sony laptop to give my proof I don't hate them, the problem is...how much freaking power sony is trying to get.....and how much money they want to get by overpricing every of their producs (not only videogame stuff); like dwight said, they are just digging their own grave, and I can steadly say that because taxes of sony products out of US and Japan are just more than over priced, I won't be surpriced if the PS3 costs $1,000 here. I find Sony's business Strategy is a lot like the way I play Gunz, Soul Calibur, Starfox Assualt, and Halo 2. Basically there's a lot of running around, hiding in the shadows, and backstabbing going on, and maybe that's what I like that about the company they work within the Law, but have a way of looking Totally Badass about it. Anyways heres my definition of the Console wars: Microsoft is like a giant amoeba with little or no structure, it tends to envelope and assimilate small time companies, and yet it all seems human for some reason... Sony is like a parasite that latches on to sources of money, and tends to end up on shaky ground becuase of their instability, and lack of sensibility, they reach out and spread possibly too far... Nintendo is based on structure, it's like a cube made up of many smaller cubes, unfurtunetly they seem to lack the humanity that the other companies show, it makes them look "immortal" in a way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 You forgot Mac. and did you hear that someone cracked the code for the Ipod?, but Apple is to stupid to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 You forgot Mac. and did you hear that someone cracked the code for the Ipod?, but Apple is to stupid to care. Why should they care exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 You forgot Mac. Notice i said Console wars Anyways heres my definition of the Console wars: Microsoft is like a giant amoeba with little or no structure, it tends to envelope and assimilate small time companies, and yet it all seems human for some reason... Sony is like a parasite that latches on to sources of money, and tends to end up on shaky ground becuase of their instability, and lack of sensibility, they reach out and spread possibly too far... Nintendo is based on structure, it's like a cube made up of many smaller cubes, unfurtunetly they seem to lack the humanity that the other companies show, it makes them look "immortal" in a way... Why should they care exactly? Dwight's right using the "Code" to make money would be against copyright law... anything other then that would be a small time operation not worth bothering with. I'm not sure what the problem is, it's sort of like how the PSP can be reprogrammed/Modded, but it's not like it has anything to do with Sony (Gameboy's and DS' can be modded as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Why should they care exactly? Dwight's right using the "Code" to make money would be against copyright law... anything other then that would be a small time operation not worth bothering with. I'm not sure what the problem is, it's sort of like how the PSP can be reprogrammed/Modded, but it's not like it has anything to do with Sony (Gameboy's and DS' can be modded as well). What if the person sells the code to a nother company? and now that he has the code he him self could start making his own MP3 players, that could play stander music files and Ipod music files, all Iam saying is Mac again will not change the music files and when the person begins to sell the MP3's or the ipod coding mac is going to go under again. As for the Console wars, I think I missed the line, I was tired that nite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 What if the person sells the code to a nother company? and now that he has the code he him self could start making his own MP3 players, that could play stander music files and Ipod music files, all Iam saying is Mac again will not change the music files and when the person begins to sell the MP3's or the ipod coding mac is going to go under again. That would be against Copyright law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 What if the person sells the code to a nother company? and now that he has the code he him self could start making his own MP3 players, that could play stander music files and Ipod music files, all Iam saying is Mac again will not change the music files and when the person begins to sell the MP3's or the ipod coding mac is going to go under again. No company would ever buy it, because unlike users, companies are incredibly easy to sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 That would be against Copyright law... No company would ever buy it, because unlike users, companies are incredibly easy to sue. People will do any thing to get rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 People will do any thing to get rich. People who really are rich, follow the rules: Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, etc. People who break the law to get rich don't say rich: Drug dealers, Chinese counterfeiters, Money counterfeiting rings. All in all, no, people won't do ANYTHING to get rich. If they do, they don't stay rich for very long and usually get sued or killed into non-existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 People who really are rich, follow the rules: Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, etc. People who break the law to get rich don't say rich: Drug dealers, Chinese counterfeiters, Money counterfeiting rings. All in all, no, people won't do ANYTHING to get rich. If they do, they don't stay rich for very long and usually get sued or killed into non-existance. Nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 Writing or distributing anything that cracks a DRM scheme, including the one used ont he iPod, is illegal as of 1998 under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It isn't illegal to use them yet, but they are trying to push that through. `Sec. 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems `(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES- (1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:6:./temp/~c105rhUmzg:: __________ Uh, Dwight, that's not exactly true. Take the Kennedys, for example. Their family fortune was "earned" though bootlegging during prohibition, which is pretty much the same thing as drug dealing. Microsoft is not clean. They have violated anti-trust laws (and got away with it). Plus, Bill Gates was lucky. He licensed DOS to IBM when he had nothing. He then rebranded QDOS as MSDOS and paid Seattle Computer Products $50000 after the fact for it. There's an old saying: Behind every great fortune is a great crime. Greed is perhaps the most powerful of human emotions and it should never be underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Uh, Dwight, that's not exactly true. Take the Kennedys, for example. Their family fortune was "earned" though bootlegging during prohibition, which is pretty much the same thing as drug dealing. Microsoft is not clean. They have violated anti-trust laws (and got away with it). Plus, Bill Gates was lucky. He licensed DOS to IBM when he had nothing. He then rebranded QDOS as MSDOS and paid Seattle Computer Products $50000 after the fact for it. There's an old saying: Behind every great fortune is a great crime. Greed is perhaps the most powerful of human emotions and it should never be underestimated. Here's my old saying in response to that: "There are exceptions...always." They were just the ones I thought of off the top of my head. The vast majority of large companies are upstanding and clean, otherwise they would be blacklisted by customers (take Sony for example). However, whenever politics are involved, anything can happen. Bill Gates isn't so much lucky as he is very good at marketing (instead of being good at making quality products). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 "All generalizations are wrong" An oxymoron if I ever saw one, but true none the less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 And well.. people like Mafias is/got rich for a very long time by doing very bad things. What is "Oxymorons"? I have heard of that sometimes.. While we're at it, let's boycot Microsoft too. Since, you know, the whole operating system is as bad a virus. Don't exaggerate just cause you're Anit-microsoft, Mac is that virus-free cause virusmakers don't cares much of it cause there isn't enought people using it. And I'm sure that Windows Vista will be alot safer to use, tough it will take alot of the computers. But I agree that Windows can be really anoying and sucky.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 Heh, for a Mac fanboy, you sure a defensive of Gates. Also, never underestimate the power of cover-up and consumer stupidity. I'm sure that most of the companies on the Fortune 1000 list have some skeletons in their closets that they really wouldn't want the public to know about. Also, if what you said about blacklisting is true, the XCP affair (which lead to cyber-crime criminal charges in 4 states, BTW) should have killed Sony-BMG. It didn't because the general public are morons. Plus, them having monopolies on certain artists helps them. Don't give Microsoft too much credit with Vista. The have written a single point of failure, that if exploited, can bring a Vista computer to it's knees: Windows Genuine Advantage. If your license fails to pass the test, then MS puts your OS in "reduced functionality mode." It will only run for an hour at a time, and the only program you can run is IE. Imagine if someone wrote a worm to exploit that. There is no such thing as a hack-proof OS and Microsoft's big mouthing has already made the hackers start working. There are already 3 known viruses written especially for Vista, and it's only in Beta right now. They are just proof of concept, but it shows that holes are still there. Read what the techies are saying about Vista before you think about upgrading. Me? I'm sticking with XP and Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Heh, for a Mac fanboy, you sure a defensive of Gates. I hate Bill Gate's products. But I'm happy about him being rich. Something you learn in economics: The richer people are, the richer everyone is, in a capitalist society. I will fight for Bill Gate's right to be rolling in money, because it's his right as an American. My Dad is a dentist. He didn't cheat anyone. He is constantly cheated by his customers (people faking problems to get pain medication and such). The reason you think that most companies are corrupt is because the news only (98% of the time) reports bad things, one of the reasons I don't watch the news. I've never heard the news media (at least the liberal part of the media) speak about the good things any company did. Ludvig11, oxymoron is a statement that defeats itself such as: Jumbo shrimp - How can something be a huge small thing? There's no such thing as absolute truth. - If this statement is true, it's false. If it's false, it's still false. Also, the arguement that there are no viruses for Mac because hackers don't care is simply not true. If it were, there would already be more than 50 viruses for Mac by my calculations (given Mac's market share). A Mac really is more secure at the most basic levels. For instance, you have to give a password to install anything that modifies anything on a Mac. On Windows, programs routinely install themselves without asking. Macs ship with firewalls enabled, which Windows didn't use to do. Macs warn you if your downloading a file that isn't what it appears to be (a program disguised as an image or something), Windows does not that I know of. There's a built in feature to OS X that encrypts your entire hard drive in real time. I know very little about security, but I know about these. I'm sure there are many other examples of superior security on OS X that I'm not even aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Also, the arguement that there are no viruses for Mac because hackers don't care is simply not true. If it were, there would already be more than 50 viruses for Mac by my calculations (given Mac's market share). A Mac really is more secure at the most basic levels. For instance, you have to give a password to install anything that modifies anything on a Mac. On Windows, programs routinely install themselves without asking. Macs ship with firewalls enabled, which Windows didn't use to do. Macs warn you if your downloading a file that isn't what it appears to be (a program disguised as an image or something), Windows does not that I know of. There's a built in feature to OS X that encrypts your entire hard drive in real time. I know very little about security, but I know about these. I'm sure there are many other examples of superior security on OS X that I'm not even aware of. That's why Macs are so expensive, they keep them off the market for testing much longer then Micrososft that's also why Mac OS9 and OSX were so lame, I'm sorry but they seemed outdated and couldn't handle the latest hard drive sizes. If you use Mac for file storage you're an idiot, keep your media on Disks and external hard drives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Like, If Windows fails, it fails Badly, but if Mac fails, there's allways a "second chance" ? --- But he don't need to be that rich, he got basicly everthing he wants to have. If all rich people would share thier money to poor people, there wouldn't be that many poor people.. but It's often that they don't want to or don't cares. There may allways exist rich and poor people.. but people don't have to have to be That rich and That poor.. Only a few rich people really cares to donate money and so for good things. And well.. if some things didn't existed (like various kinds of tecgnology things and such) we wouldn't want to have them or really need them, just live anyway.. [/offtopic] Not that many programs seems to be able to work on a Mac either. (This seems to getting up to several big subjects, I'm sorry if It's starting to get up "argueings" or so here.) Gates got the world's richest person for a reason, he did some Really brilliant things... I also wonder how Bill's computer(s) would be like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 First, Leo: --------------------------------- Macs aren't that expensive. You just assume they are because you think that the hardware and software is about the same as a PCs. Flat out wrong. In purely technical numbers, here's how a Mac desktop is almost $1000 cheaper than a Dell desktop WITH THE SAME FEATURES: Mac Pro vs Dell Here's some more articles on the same thing: Mac Mini vs Super Cheap PC Macbook Pro vs Dell Laptop In the end, Macs are nearly as cheap or cheaper than their similarly featured PC counterparts these days. You've got to be kidding me with this statement: "they keep them off the market for testing..." Perhaps you never heard about the fact that Apple has released 5 new operating systems in the time it took Microsoft to release one (Vista). Then there's the fact that Apple took LESS THAN ONE YEAR to do a complete hardware reshuffle by moving to Intel chips. Seriously, Apple is one of the fastest moving companies in existance. OS 9 maybe, but OS X is almost universally considered a great operating system, and better than Windows certainly. Here's a website that goes into very great detail explaining exactly what XP and OS X have and don't have, and how those things compare: XvsXP Macs can have HUGE hard drives. Here's an Apple Xserve RAID that can hold up to 7 terabytes per rack. Did you know that the Mac Pro can hold up to 3 terabytes of internal storage? An iMac can have up to 750 gigabytes of internal storage. Where'd you hear that Macs can't have large hard drives? And Ludvig: --------------------------------- Windows fails all the time. Macs usually don't fail, but when they do, it's spectacular! I've never had any serious error or data loss on a Mac, don't know anyone personally who has. Yes, it may sound strange, but Bill Gates NEEDS to be rich. In a capitalist society, greed is a creative force. If someone says, "I want something," they are greedy for that item. The law prevents them from taking it from those who have it, so they have two choices, work to earn it, or find a new way to create that item. When they work to earn that item, they make money, gain skills, and those people who they work for are better off, because they wanted this person's services. Everyone is happy. If they create a whole new way to make the item, then that person can potentially become highly successful. Further, anyone who wants this newly created item can buy it, and they are better off too. This greed creation force builds on itself and makes everyone better off. Simple economics. Now, you work hard all day for months on end, trying to bring a new service or product to market and low and behold, it becomes highly successful. All your hard work is rewarded. You can then use this new money and power to create new items that you may not have had money for before. Because you were a success, now you can. And let's say that that idea or item is highly successful too, guess what, you are making even more money, being more successful, while all your customers are enjoying the benefits of all these new items. Further, you create new jobs and perhaps entirely new industries out of thin air. Life is good for everyone! But, what happens if instead of taking that money that you would have invested into your company and gave it all to the poor? Well, the sad truth is that practically nothing happens. You see, there are many people who are in genuine need of help, but they aren't the majority. The majority of people who are consistently poor are those who simply don't feel like working hard enough to stop being poor. Go ahead, give a hundred bucks to a homeless person on the street, 99 times out of 100, they won't use that hundred to improve their lives or other's, but will simply use it to keep themselves where they are. Worse, the more money that is given away without demanding something in return, the more people demand this free money. If you didn't have to work for a living, would you? I sure wouldn't. Remember, Bill Gates is a billionaire, that's true, but look at what he has done for us. Thanks to him making computers (relatively) usable for the masses, computers have become mainstream and essential. Look at how much more things we can enjoy and create thanks to what he did. No-one forces you to buy Bill Gates products. You have to be enticed into giving your money to him in exchange for something you want. Phrases such as "He doesn't NEED to be that rich" is an extremely dangerous statement. Once other people decide how much you can make, it's the beginning of the end of whatever economy you are in. When people aren't allowed to control their own property or wealth, you have a Socialist economy which inevitably fail miserably. I could go on and on about this, but all in all, the facts show that the more economically free a given area is, the richer it is for EVERYONE IN IT. Saying that one should give up what one has simply because they have more is silly and bad for everyone. If you can't accept what I'm saying, go immediately to the post office and send everything you have to India, cause you look like Bill Gates to them. "Not that many programs seems to be able to work on a Mac either." *Sigh* Macs are the most compatable computers on this planet. They can run software for OS 9, OS X, Linux, Unix, and Windows. A Mac can run Windows itself, and very well for that matter. I have Windows installed on my other Mac, and it's faster than any Windows machine I've ever used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 When people aren't allowed to control their own property or wealth' date=' you have a Socialist economy which inevitably fail miserably.[/quote'] Prehaps It is like that in America, but It's definetly not like that here. And there lives waay more people in America then here in Sweden, so maybe it's about that to. Our switch to a "moderate" goverment, was a huge mistake. Cause they mostly cares of lowering taxes for thoose who have much money, and rasing taxes for thoose who allready have it bad enough. Every time the moderates won, (it's the third time now in like 30 years), the economy got screwed, and it took like 10 years for the social democrats to "fix up" the economy again. And now when we got a good economy, the moderates winns.. people either got under thier lies or just cared for making it even better for themselves. 4 new moderate politicans who was meant to be in the goverment, got all dismissed cause they where/had been cheating with taxes and other things. If the election would have been now, the social democrats probally would have won, cause my country is starting to get a bit chaotic now.. demonstrations have started. (And don't call it "communism" cause it really is a Way different then it was in Soviet Russia etc..) It's what I could call "good communism" and it allways has worked here.. ofcourse the social-democrats did alot of misstakes, witch is also a reason why they didn't won this year, but there was never a reason to vote for the moderates. (But this subject is starting now to get alittle off the hand or so.. and I got a feeling that it could go on for a longer time and cause (more?) argues/miss understandings/offendings etc... so I say let's end this subject now and go on to what we used to talk about, some subjects can be meaningsless to take up in a world were people can be and have it so much different.) About the "Mac not being able to work on that many programs"-thing, I have seen that there's Mac-versions for various games and programs.. would it still work else but just not as good? on Mac OS. ( I know subjects like that don't use to be good in boards like this.. I'm sorry in case, and I say let's all (try) to accept eachothers and our opinnions, we dont have to look down to eachothers.. just like people for what (you think) they are good at. ) If enough people boycotts Sony it would be able to be a big lesson for them.. I have thought about getting a Mac before.. maybe it would be a possibillity in the future, I atleast have to see a real mac and try how it is to use.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 First, Leo: --------------------------------- Macs aren't that expensive. You just assume they are because you think that the hardware and software is about the same as a PCs. Flat out wrong. In purely technical numbers, here's how a Mac desktop is almost $1000 cheaper than a Dell desktop WITH THE SAME FEATURES: Mac Pro vs Dell Here's some more articles on the same thing: Mac Mini vs Super Cheap PC Macbook Pro vs Dell Laptop In the end, Macs are nearly as cheap or cheaper than their similarly featured PC counterparts these days. You've got to be kidding me with this statement: "they keep them off the market for testing..." Perhaps you never heard about the fact that Apple has released 5 new operating systems in the time it took Microsoft to release one (Vista). Then there's the fact that Apple took LESS THAN ONE YEAR to do a complete hardware reshuffle by moving to Intel chips. Seriously, Apple is one of the fastest moving companies in existance. OS 9 maybe, but OS X is almost universally considered a great operating system, and better than Windows certainly. Here's a website that goes into very great detail explaining exactly what XP and OS X have and don't have, and how those things compare: XvsXP Macs can have HUGE hard drives. Here's an Apple Xserve RAID that can hold up to 7 terabytes per rack. Did you know that the Mac Pro can hold up to 3 terabytes of internal storage? An iMac can have up to 750 gigabytes of internal storage. Where'd you hear that Macs can't have large hard drives? I'm sorry if I may sound like an idiot sometimes but I have a habbit of listening to actual consumers, you know people I know, and if you think they don't have to wait an extra year for games to come out for their system (your wrong), and if you think a full hard drive on a Mac can't slow it down (your very very wrong). Can you honestly say that you could use the Mac mini as your workstation, or you would actually go out and buy a Mac Pro? My mother's computer cost around five hundred dollars, on sale(but when are you going to find a Mac on sale?), and is two GHz (and can play all my favourite games, no problem), if you want to get a cheap PC it's possible, plus an old PC is reusable, something as old as a 1996 can be wiped have Windows reinstalled, and from there be used in a school or a working environment, in fact I'm currently working for a program that does just that. As for the number of OS Programs they release it doesn't help compatibility between programs any, A problem a friend of mine regularily struggles with has something to do with one program working on one OS but not the other, and another program not working on the other OS but not the newer one (something to that affect... it's very confusing) I mean have multiple OS programs all made by the same company all on the same computer... that doesn't make much sense to me. Windows fails all the time. Macs usually don't fail, but when they do, it's spectacular! I've never had any serious error or data loss on a Mac, don't know anyone personally who has. Ok I am not going to read any further then that just because it's not true! I've never had problems with Windows losing files, Although I can't say I've had that problem with Macs. Plus My PC has not crashed once and I've had it for more then a year now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I'm sorry if I may sound like an idiot sometimes but I have a habbit of listening to actual consumers, you know people I know, and if you think they don't have to wait an extra year for games to come out for their system (your wrong), and if you think a full hard drive on a Mac can't slow it down (your very very wrong). I didn't say either of those things. Again, any Mac can run Windows too, and therefore, a Mac can run 98% of all Windows software at the same speed or better than on a normal Windows machine of the same hardware configuration. People have called the Mac Book Pro the "world's best Windows PC." Can you honestly say that you could use the Mac mini as your workstation, or you would actually go out and buy a Mac Pro? My mother's computer cost around five hundred dollars, on sale(but when are you going to find a Mac on sale?), and is two GHz (and can play all my favourite games, no problem), if you want to get a cheap PC it's possible, plus an old PC is reusable, something as old as a 1996 can be wiped have Windows reinstalled, and from there be used in a school or a working environment, in fact I'm currently working for a program that does just that. I'd love to use a Mac Mini, but I already have two other kinds of Macs. The Mini is very fast. And why can't an old Mac be used in a school or working environment? My school does. As for the number of OS Programs they release it doesn't help compatibility between programs any, A problem a friend of mine regularily struggles with has something to do with one program working on one OS but not the other, and another program not working on the other OS but not the newer one (something to that affect... it's very confusing) I mean have multiple OS programs all made by the same company all on the same computer... that doesn't make much sense to me. Mac OS X has made huge leaps in compatibility. I can run all programs designed for a completely different hardware architecture at near native speed (unnoticiable slowdown). I should know. I'm using non-native programs right now. Try running Windows XP on a the PowerPC chipset without an emulator and then tell me that OS X can't. Ok I am not going to read any further then that just because it's not true! I've never had problems with Windows losing files, Although I can't say I've had that problem with Macs. Plus My PC has not crashed once and I've had it for more then a year now! You're one of the lucky ones. I am too. Back when I used Windows, I had very few problems, but I spent a huge amount of time fixing all of my family's, friend's, and co-worker's computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 >_< oww my head, you're way to good at this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig11 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Well I may have been lucky too, soon three years without any serious problems yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo K. Lighthouse Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 The only problems I've ever encountered with Windows were actually hardware related... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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