Expanding the Star Fox team

[Jeroscope]

*Inserts OCs Jared the well-endowed sexy gay Wolf/Fox hybrid with a tragic past and Gertrude the awesome busty confident but subservient SparkleCat that everyone loves and has no flaws whatsoever and is totally not wish fulfillment of a broken over-weight debt-strapped talentless 23 year old with no possible chance of a romantic relationship due to various mental disorders and a broken childhood that forbids him from forming normal human relationships so now he's stuck writing StarfFox fanfiction because that's just silly right?*

In all seriousness, nix Slippy and Krystal and bring in Bill and Katt

 

Give that man a cookie.

 

But real talk: SF Wii U is looking more or less like a reboot rather than a sequel. Command got PANNED and even then, a proper sequel is basically impossible with the 9 different endings with no proper one to decide the fate of Lylat. At least in Mass Effect it's obvious which ending is true. The destroy ending is the only one that allows for a future conflict in the ME Universe. But in Star Fox, we don't have that luxury.

 

It's clear Miamoto wants a decent amount of control over this, and SF64 got a lot of attention since it was effectively not a port but a remake. SF64 was also the first truly successful Star Fox game before it's decline starting with SF Adventures. SF Assault did some good, but then they dropped the ball with SF Command. SF Wii U may be dealing with an alternate reality deal sorta like what JJ Trek did. And to those of you who are about to complain, yes. I like JJ Trek. ST and STID are good films both in earnings and critical reviews. They were also the most successful films in the franchise, even when adjusting for inflation, with only Wrath of Khan topping Into Darkness (and rightfully so).

 

Wow. Star Trek, Mass Effect, Star Fox? What other sci-fi series will I bring in to create the ultimate crossover-fic? Maybe have a slash-fic where Kirk, Shepard and Fox have a threesome giving birth to a gruesome lovechild? Try some brain bleach after thinking about that.

 

But back to the subject at hand. I typically like the original cast of characters: Fox, Peppy, Falco, and Slippy. Slippy is annoying, but he has his uses as the innocent kid of the group wanting so hard to try and impress everyone. He can stay. Krystal is an empty character in my opinion until she enters her bitch-phase, and even then, I despise her. She goes. Hm... Aha!

 

http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Fara_Phoenix:: Fara Phoenix: Cornerian Pilot and daughter of a spaceship magnate yet to be named. Her skills parallel that of Fox's, given that she's been flying about the same time he has since she was a child. She's brave, loyal, but also cocky and reckless at times. She makes a perfect fit for the team and holds her own character-wise and skill-wise. Aside from Fay and Miyu, she's the only outside character that seems to have the skills and requirements any Star Fox pilot should have: Proficiency in dogfighting and an undying loyalty to the Cornerian Army.

 

Honestly, I'm quite sad she was never given a chance to be in the series. She would make the perfect love interest for Fox given her competitive nature and her defiance to reason. I'm glad her character was conceived in the first place, but I hope Nintendo gives her a proper chance to be in the games. That, and I'd tap that foxy fennec ass. Can a brother relate?

[ArwingFan]

 

 Giladen, on 02 Feb 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

Why are we assuming that Krystal is in SF Wii U?

Because there is a chance she could be in, so we're discussing ways the game can use her in case she's in.

 

Anyways, unsure about Katt joining the team. She would need an explanation to why she decided to join several years after the 64 days.  

[Jeroscope]

 

 

 Giladen, on 02 Feb 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

Because there is a chance she could be in, so we're discussing ways the game can use her in case she's in.

 

Anyways, unsure about Katt joining the team. She would need an explanation to why she decided to join several years after the 64 days.  

 

 

Katt seems more like the "River Song" of the series. She comes by every now and then, does some shit, says "Spoilers" and leaves. She comes by when she's needed and then disappears when she's done her job.

[Giladen]

But real talk: SF Wii U is looking more or less like a reboot rather than a sequel. Command got PANNED and even then, a proper sequel is basically impossible with the 9 different endings with no proper one to decide the fate of Lylat. At least in Mass Effect it's obvious which ending is true. The destroy ending is the only one that allows for a future conflict in the ME Universe. But in Star Fox, we don't have that luxury.

 

Command was obviously a finale for the series (or at least 64's continuity) absent of any sequel set after it. A large chunk of the endings have the SF team broken up, it brought back 64 characters like Katt, etc.

 

Because there is a chance she could be in, so we're discussing ways the game can use her in case she's in.

 

1. Is baggage from Dinosaur Planet who lacked grounds to join the team as a pilot. And had to be given telepathy to have an excuse to be on the team.

 

2. Every SF game she has been in has flopped and/or has a mixed reception at best.

 

Seriously, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect any of the post-64 characters to make the cut.

[Jeroscope]

Command was obviously a finale for the series (or at least 64's continuity) absent of any sequel set after it. A large chunk of the endings have the SF team broken up, it brought back 64 characters like Katt, etc.

 

 

1. Is baggage from Dinosaur Planet who lacked grounds to join the team as a pilot. And had to be given telepathy to have an excuse to be on the team.

 

2. Every SF game she has been in has flopped and/or has a mixed reception at best.

 

Seriously, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect any of the post-64 characters to make the cut.

You pulled a JonTron and forgot about Star Fox Assault.

 

Here's what I see in Krystal: I see a lost and confused girl looking to find out where she came from. She shows spirit and a fighting potential as a child, which makes Fox considering adopting her into the Star Fox family almost like a kid sister. This also gives her the opportunity to explore the galaxy and find her true origins. That's the kind of potential she has.

 

However, the common assumption is that everyone thinks that Fox simply wants to have a girl to fuck, so he brings her in, teaches her how to fly, and then they fuck. The telepathy is a piss poor excuse that was thrown in last minute. THATS IT. YOU WANTED A TROPHY WOMAN? THERE YOU FUCKING GO. DONT BLAME ME IF THE FEMINISTS RAISE HELL OVER THIS, CAUSE THEY FUCKING WILL.

[Blaze the Sage]

Decent potential, Jeroscope, if they ever decide to make use of any of it.  So far though, her personality thus far has consisted of "damsel in distress/faux action girl" before joining the team, and "fox's girlfriend" until being booted off the team, after which she "developed" into a personality consisting of "Fox's angry ex-girlfriend".

 

It would be great if they decided to do anything you say she has the potential for, and if they actually give her a personality trait that isn't based around Fox, I'm all for her staying on.  But otherwise, she really does need to go, and a reboot is the most likely way for that to happen.  Which I wouldn't say no to.  Or hell, even just rewind the series and make a game that's just a direct sequel to 64.  Retcon Adventures forward out of existence, even though I really did enjoy Assault, and still hope Peppy takes on the role he did there.

 

I'd certainly be up for seeing them add Fara, as long as she doesn't turn into Krystal 2.0.

[Jeroscope]

HOW DARE YOU MENTION THE IDEA?!? THEY WILL NEVER CORRUPT MY PRECIOUS FARA! NEVAAAAAH! *starts turning into Gollum* TRICKSIES! THE PAGAN WITCH TRICKSIES!!!

[Drasiana]

Fara falls into similar character issues as Krystal, she just gives us the courtesy of not having an inexplicable backstory/magic powers. She falls victim to the Trinity Effect in some regard and it'd be cool if they avoided that. I'm also not sure if I want her on Star Fox because I think she could be a cool asset to the Cornerian Army faction, but it could go either way I suppose. Her role as an experimental test pilot would be really fun to play with no matter whose team she ends up on.

 

Seriously, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect any of the post-64 characters to make the cut.

 

dude chill your titties on the IT IS DEFINITELY A REBOOT AND YOU ARE ALL FOOLS FOR CONSIDERING ANYTHING OTHERWISE rhetoric. we're all just nerds speculating here and I doubt anyone is seriously expecting half of what we're suggesting to be implemented, it's just fun to talk and think about.

 

That, and I'd tap that foxy fennec ass. Can a brother relate?

 

[NickFox]

Giladen, on 02 Feb 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:
Because there is a chance she could be in, so we're discussing ways the game can use her in case she's in.

Anyways, unsure about Katt joining the team. She would need an explanation to why she decided to join several years after the 64 days.

its a simple matter of initially wanting to join at first, changing her mind then finally after some time going back to her first position - that is joining. shes a lot like falco, strong willed good pilot not afraid to speak her mind., in 64 she was quite the flirt with you after you saved her from bogies a few times ' i could kiss you for that' anyone? i think she'd be a nice add personally. bills too much a career soldier to be on a group that frequently does its own thing. if we add fara to go to six, i'm all for that.

 

[Jeroscope]

And here comes my really deep interpretation. Yes, it is considered a fanfic. No, I don't care.

 

Fara starts out as the attache to Star Fox for the CDF. She is General Pepper's go to girl for strategies implementing the Star Fox team. At the same time, Fara has been wanting to join Star Fox her whole life. Since she was a child, she's been flying and even saw James McCloud as a hero or an icon of sorts. When she runs into Fox, she is sort of star struck, yet intrigued as to how different yet how much the same Fox is like James. Where James is intelligent, caring, and modest, Fox is irrational, reckless, and fueled by anger from his father's death. In other words, James had something to live for. Fox doesn't. Yet they are also both the same in that they are both brave, loyal, and skilled in the art of dogfighting.

 

Where Fara's role comes in is to give Fox a sense of balance, curbing his reckless attitude and showing him that he has much more to live for. There is an ulterior romantic motive, but everyone already knew that. The point is she doesn't want the McCloud family line to die. It would be letting down her hero if she didn't try to keep Fox from going overboard.

 

In addition, this would give Fox a chance to be more than a stereotypical hero that the player controls. It gives him an opportunity to grow and change, becoming more dynamic as the story progresses, learning a lesson as he went forward. It gives the story narrative and for the better.

 

While Im sure the writers at Nintendo probably aren't considering this, it's still interesting to see how close they came to creating a deep and meaningful story with a message, that no matter how bleak things are, there's always something to live for in the future, whether it be friends, family, or new faces that would become family.

[Blaze the Sage]

Honestly, I love the River Song comparison that you made up there.  Comes along once in a while to help out, or where she has a personal stake in things, but beyond that she goes on her way and does her own thing.  Playful and teasing, but her style is too different to join in full-time.

[Jeroscope]

Exactly!

 

However I did create an OC that might be interesting.

His name is Lupe Odell, the disowned son of Wolf O'Donnell. Wolf wanted a son that was a pure killer, someone that would be able to take up his mantle as Star Wolf leader. In doing so, however, he made Lupe run away out of defiance. Lupe is a sort of dark individual who despises is father for depriving him of a normal childhood. It was less like having a father and more like having a drill sergeant. He'd be joining Star Fox purely to defy him and get a chance for payback to prove he is nothing like Wolf.

 

Its a fan character, yes, but I tried to give him some purpose.

[Blaze the Sage]

Personally, I try to avoid having direct (and often even indirect) ties to major canon characters (or really, more often any canon character) when creating my own characters.  My characters might have their own thoughts and opinions on the canon characters, but I never have any actual ties to them.  It feels like I'm trying to take control of characters that aren't mine, which bugs the hell out of me, despite the fact that it's generally unavoidable in fanfiction for an established setting. 

 

Without tying them to established canon characters, they're free to be their own character without interfering with the established lore, and develop independently into their own character with their own direction and purpose.  But this is drifting a bit off topic

[Jeroscope]

At this point, I've created an entirely new universe of my own so it's all up in the air when it comes to me.

 

See, my interpretation of Wolf is someone who has suffered great loss and resorted to piracy because of it. In my Star Fox, Wolf is essentially what Fox would have become had he succumbed to his rage and lost himself.

 

Now what could possibly cause this amount of rage and malice in an individual? In my story, Wolf was once a best friend to James McCloud. He was a pilot in the CDF with him until they cut through the red tape and formed Star Fox. They married at the same time, and their wives became pregnant at the same time, both sharing experiences at a parallel. However, where James had his son and wife, Wolf's wife and child both died due to complications during childbirth. This enraged Wolf. It made him ask why. Why did he get the short end of the stick? Why was he made to suffer? What point does this all have? What purpose was there? It drove him mad and he almost killed James over it before his better judgement told him no. Instead, he joined Andross and vowed not to kill James, but to make him experience the same anguish he did. With James' death so soon, he decided instead to take it upon himself to be a rival to Fox, someone to keep him on his toes. While yes, he vows publicly that he would be the one to bring Star Fox down, that's not his ultimate motive or his purpose. His purpose in life is to make sure Fox is ready for everything and prepare him for what his father couldnt, to show Fox what he would become if he didn't stick to his moral values. This is why he doesn't purely go after Fox in Assault and ultimately why he teams up with him.

 

Yes. I just expanded Wolf past a mechanics villain into a narrative one. He has a motivation, a purpose, and context as to why he picked Fox as his target.

 

This also gives context for Lupe and why he pushed him so hard. He simply wanted to have a son that he could be proud of, one he would push so hard as to repel him away. In doing so, however, he once again loses himself to his violent tendencies and becomes what he is trying to prevent Lupe from becoming, much like how he pseudo-trained Fox.

 

And you're right. This is getting a bit off topic.

[NickFox]

 i'm not sure whether wii u will be a 64-type reboot. if they start fresh with krystal fine, i think her character needs a reboot anyway. i think bill is more the ' drop in from time to time, does stuff and leaves, rather than katt., although they did the same role in 64 depending on what planet you went to.

[Arminius H O Fiddywinks]

 i'm not sure whether wii u will be a 64-type reboot. if they start fresh with krystal fine, i think her character needs a reboot anyway. i think bill is more the ' drop in from time to time, does stuff and leaves, rather than katt., although they did the same role in 64 depending on what planet you went to.

Due to what was seen at E3, it is quite possible for this Wii-U game to be a reboot of the whole series starting from 64.

[Drasiana]

What they showed at E3 showed pretty much nothing concrete about where on the timeline this game sits.

[Joseph.]

How about you get an option to choose 3 out of 10 wing men for your team and each have their own special ability or treat.

 

For example: Falco's treat would be taking care of your teammates when they'er under attack and Slippy would show the boss life bar. Now at least you can play each level differently increasing replay value as well

 

Customization would be a nice fresh touch to the series

[NickFox]

we didnt see much of anything at last years E3, but this year we'll find out a lot more. I'm hoping there'll be more than 3 teammates for fox, because theres only so many times I can stomach bailing slippy out because he has 5 bogies on his tail.