The Next Star Fox Game: Speculation and Ideas III

[Scourge]

...the speeder bike from Adventures ...

 

I didnt think about this until now but that would be an interesting idea, using the little speeders instead of the landmaster would allow you to progress through a mission faster but you have smaller shields or something, maybe with reduced firepower for such a small vehicle... (or maybe someone else on the speeder with you with a rocket launcher (Co-op mode anyone? ) 

 

On the subject of Co-op mechanics: a space mission with a second player as a turret or something would be interesting... granted that would mean they'd have to make a new vehicle to allow this, one thats heavier to move than the arwing and therefore a little less maneuverable. Granted, Greatfox is probably stuffed to the gills with vehicles already which begs the question of where in the hell the team sleeps and lives and whatnot...

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

I didnt think about this until now but that would be an interesting idea, using the little speeders instead of the landmaster would allow you to progress through a mission faster but you have smaller shields or something, maybe with reduced firepower for such a small vehicle... (or maybe someone else on the speeder with you with a rocket launcher (Co-op mode anyone? ) 

 

On the subject of Co-op mechanics: a space mission with a second player as a turret or something would be interesting... granted that would mean they'd have to make a new vehicle to allow this, one thats heavier to move than the arwing and therefore a little less maneuverable. Granted, Greatfox is probably stuffed to the gills with vehicles already which begs the question of where in the hell the team sleeps and lives and whatnot...

 

Star Fox does need new vehicles doesn't it? That was a great point jeth brought up. Playing Assault felt kind of strange at times though. The landmaster is naturally faster than any of the characters traveling on foot. That makes sense as it's probably not a smart idea to outrun a tank under any circumstances, especially in the SF universe where they come equipped with some kind of boost/thruster mechanism that can make it travel faster for a very short period of time. It would definitely be a fresh experience if they had some kind of high speed low firepower ground vehicle to the mix. Hopefully the ability to turn around would be possible with this vehicle. Everyone remembers how annoying it was to turn around in the Landmaster no? At least with the new "agile" vehicle, they  could have an excuse for why the Landmaster moves in such a way. The speeder thing should have a weak rapid fire laser of some kind, and weak shields to balance it out. Maybe it should also have some kind of boost system similar to the arwing so it could travel faster for extended periods of time?

[Mr-Chris]

@StarFoxfan-FUR_evar Thanks for the reply, I read it all. You seemed to advance my ideas well! Also, my post wasn't an essay! Your reply was though

[Snys93]

Multiplayer is definitely a cool idea for SF. Two seater bombers, ground vehicles other than the Landmaster, the possibilities are nearly endless to ensure interest in Starfox.

[BarrelRollPro]

I think it would be cool if Nintendo added Miyu and Fay to the Star Fox team and added Krystal and Panther to the Star Wolf team. That way we could have a 6 vs 6 dog fight. But sadly Miyu and Fay are just a long lost memory.

I also see some potential for on foot segments. They could add Fox's abilities from SSB and maybe it could be on rails some how? I don't know if that would really work though. The controls would definitely need to be improved on though and it shouldn't take up the majority of the game. It should mostly be good old rail shooting in an Arwing action! And I think they should bring back Meteor, Eladard, and Sauria.

[DZComposer]

I merged your last two posts. Please use the edit button to add content to your post instead of double-posting.

[Scourge]

 added Krystal and Panther to the Star Wolf team.

 Krystal and Panther to the Star Wolf team.

 Krystal to the Star Wolf team.

No. Command did that, and Command was wrong.

 

 

I also see some potential for on foot segments. They could add Fox's abilities from SSB and maybe it could be on rails some how? I don't know if that would really work though.

The only way I could remotely see that happening would be to have 2 pilots on some kind of land vehicle, with one driving, and the other with an assortment of weapons firing at enemies as they drive by

 

But that point is basically rendered moot when you realize: The LANDMASTER does that job, and would do it better.

[Setsuna]

choosing between the starfox team (with krystal AND peppy) cornarian army (bill, dash? maybe katt...i just want to play as bill surfer grey in his 64 craft) the ladies (fara, miyu, and fay) and of course starwolf (they'd be the hard mode). as for a new general, how abouuut...beltino? XD

 

if not, i'd love the team of fox, falco, peppy, krystal, slippy, miyu, and fay. at least have bill and starwolf playable.

I'd like to see a "hub world" as in; traveling around inside the great fox, you'd choose missions (there will be extra missions aside from the main story missions), build your own craft, customize fox and co's ships, play extra mini games (like racing, sword fighting, gun training, also multiplayer) chat with characters and the more you do with them they'll "level up" and get better A.I. during missions, less enemies following them and such.

 

put in some of the power ups from 64 3D, i liked the cloak, the barrier, and the firebird. the rest can be multiplayer exclusive.

[Scourge]

choosing between the starfox team (with krystal AND peppy) cornarian army (bill, dash? maybe katt...i just want to play as bill surfer grey in his 64 craft) the ladies (fara, miyu, and fay) and of course starwolf (they'd be the hard mode). as for a new general, how abouuut...beltino? XD

 

if not, i'd love the team of fox, falco, peppy, krystal, slippy, miyu, and fay. at least have bill and starwolf playable.

I'd like to see a "hub world" as in; traveling around inside the great fox, you'd choose missions (there will be extra missions aside from the main story missions), build your own craft, customize fox and co's ships, play extra mini games (like racing, sword fighting, gun training, also multiplayer) chat with characters and the more you do with them they'll "level up" and get better A.I. during missions, less enemies following them and such.

 

put in some of the power ups from 64 3D, i liked the cloak, the barrier, and the firebird. the rest can be multiplayer exclusive.

 

 

While I'd love to see more characters included in the series myself, we need to focus on the core group (Fox, Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Pepper, Andross, Starwolf) and get them characterized a fair bit better before we introduce more characters that need to be characterize

 

Now... they could introduce a massive supergame of awesome that has all these new characters, AND fleshes them out well all at the same time but the chances of that happening are slim to none

 

so for now, lets take it one step at a time

 

 

I like the idea of a hub world centered around Greatfox, I've always wanted to see the interior of it besides the bridge, and explore around, maybe even see the elevator between the hangar above the main engine, leading to the lower hangar (because come on, that'd be badass to see) and interacting with characters inside the ship would be fakking awesome  (besides, who dosent want to come back from a mission and see Krystal in their room eh? )

[Ori]

+1 for the idea of a hub-world-Greatfox. And I notice a distinct semblance to Mass Effect in that thought line. But, hey, it was good. xD

The Normandy(ies) has(have) worked worked well throughout Mass Effect, so, heck, why not? o3o I'd pretty much like to know how the Great Fox really looks like aside from some abridged description, quick corridor sequences, a hangar launch, and a briefing/comm/bridge room.

The character-player interaction also seems a very good idea. Although when thinking to branching possibilities with user preferences, the implications could be... problematic. o3o

 

Inb4 Valve-Bioware-Nintendo Concordat for Next StarFox Game *shot*

 

(besides, who dosent want to come back from a mission and see Krystal in their room eh? )

 

...Wait, don't we already have Miranda for this? 

[Scourge]

 

 

...Wait, don't we already have Miranda for this? 

 

 

Or Tali... depending on who ya romanced

[Setsuna]

one can only hope. starfox was big back in the day, and 64 was beside ocarina of time and mario 64. with something that big, i think this calls for a big come back, its been so long since assault and I say its time to go all out. wii U needs games, now, and I say give the costumers more of a reason to buy it. 3DS is another great alternative, since almost everyone has one,

 

metroid had its time, it had its prime trilogy and with the wet fart that was other m, i say give this series a break and make way for starfox.

 

on a side note

 

i'd also like a redesign, a better make over if you will. assault had the sleekest, sexiest design choices i've seen for starfox.

 

only thing i liked in command, was the new arwing. i liked the idea of everyone having their own custom looking ship with different atributes. however, krystals and slippy's were pretty odd.   

[Jeroscope]

My take on a new Starfox...

Make a perfect version of the original. Perfect in a sense that the gameplay puts a spin on the original on rails game, but is a little faster and maybe other elements are introduced. Also, dynamic camera ftw.

Perfect in that the music is orchestrated professionally, taking its roots from the original SNES version.

Perfect in that it very well describes the tragedy behind Fox's past as depicted in the comic series, but stays within the timeframe of the first war.

Perfect in that we bring in Fara for the female audience to feel confident with and addresses feminists too (this means Krystal is a no)

Perfect in that there is legitimate decision making in the game like in Bioware titles, but it directly affects the already planned sequel (like Bill dies or something, but nothing huge).

Perfect in that Star Wolf isnt introduced until the second game and gets their original intimidating theme slated for SF2. Oh, and Wolfs original design is better too. Gimme scar without patch.

Perfect in that Slippy has a tolerable voice actor like in Assault. As a matter of fact, all the voice actors in Assault should come back except for the Star Wolf actors. They could use some work.

Im willing to bet its not all really perfect, but it is to me.

[Drasiana]

Perfect in that we bring in Fara for the female audience to feel confident with and addresses feminists too (this means Krystal is a no)

 

...What?

 

Krystal isn't inherently anti-feminist. The way the female characters are written is far more pertinent than what they look like. A writer that would take Krystal's personal agency from her for the sake of her doting over Fox incessantly would do no better with Fara, who honestly, was not a significantly greater character than Krystal to begin with--she was still a token female love interest, she just didn't break the universe by existing. Deleting female characters from canon is not the solution to writing female characters properly.

[Jeroscope]

Fara had drive, ambition, and was reckless. She was flawed in a sense that she was like any other daredevil pilot and was very skilled at she does. Yes, she was the token girl, but there are a lot more connections between her and Fox, and she even disobeys orders and lets Fox out of confinement so that he can hit Andross and end the war. That takes guts to do. The base character of Fara Phoenix is a great basis to start on as well. A CDF pilot who's the daughter of an aircraft engineer as well as the chief test administrator for the revolutionary Arwing design, as well as General Pepper's right hand in the command center. She's an excellent role model.

 

Krystal, however, was kept in Star Fox Adventures purely for eye candy and she had very little to offer. When you have to make your character interesting with skimpy clothing and telepathy, it makes you wonder what she has to offer in terms of personality. In my opinion, she had very little to offer and didn't have a connection to Fox aside from the fact that they are both vulpines and fighters. Besides, the only reason she stuck with him is that she owed him for saving her. If she were given her own title as intended for Dinosaur Planet, we would have gotten a much more interesting character. Instead, we got the biggest target for fanon abuse. While she wasnt inherently anti-feminist, thats what she inevitably became.

 

When it comes to the two, I'd bring back Fara. She is a much stronger character and deserves an actual character appearance. That, and I would appreciate the main character NOT be the subject of the largest percentage of furry smut to date. Now while I said keeping Krystal out entirely was a bit extreme, I think she needs her character rewritten. She'd be an interesting inclusion, but a terrible idea for a love interest. JonTron said it best.

[Drasiana]

This isn't Highlander. There can be more than one female character. The claim that you'd bring Fara back and axe Krystal "for feminism" is raising my eyebrows because what it looks like you're really doing is pitting female characters against each other and choosing to axe one because other people write porn about her.

 

Never mind the fact that Krystal discovered how to stop the Anglars on her own in one (?) of the plots of Command, or that Command is the only installment of the series that even comes close to passing the Bechdel test. Never mind the fact that Fox, Falco, Leon, Panther, and Wolf--all fan favourites--are written terribly and nonsensically, too. I don't even like Krystal, but to claim she is significantly worse than the rest of the cast to the point that she broke the series is just wrong. She absolutely, positively, and completely needs to be rewritten--but honestly, so does almost everyone else.

 

You're also impossibly optimistic if you don't think people will draw/write porn about Fara. I'm pretty sure Fara porn was actually my first encounter with R34 back in Ye Olden Dayes of the internet.

 

(people writing/drawing porn about a character doesn't make them a worse character, by the way; how they're written in the actual game does)

[Jeroscope]

Oh, I know rule 34 is valid in every case, but I simply dont agree with Krystal being the main love interest. Shee a little thing called "out of place."

[Jeroscope]

*she's

And Im sorry about the double post. Im on a phone.

The porn argument is actually valid from a PR standpoint. Nintendo doesnt want to support a character who has essentially become a porn star. Then again, they may not care.

Main point, I support Fara more than Krystal. Thats it.

[Drasiana]

There is no way Nintendo gives a shit that Krystal porn exists for a myriad of reasons. If Krystal was really the only thing that was dragging the games down they would've already axed her and popped out another game. They haven't. There are also plenty of franchises that will quietly look the other way concerning Weird Porn so long as it bolsters the fandom.

 

And yeah, I get that you like Fara more than Krystal. I don't care. I like Andrew Oikonny more than Fox. I like Slippy more than Falco. Yay, subjective preference!

 

Just stop pretending that rabidly hating on a female character for being sexy and pitting her against the others in a weird gladiatorial battle for the title of The Best Star Fox Love Interest is somewhere even remotely close to feminism. Female Star Fox fans shouldn't have to pick out the One Female Character we get, we should have a bunch that are well-written and not defined by who makes a better love interest or who is "too sexy" to be a good character.

[Jeroscope]

I'm not even arguing for or against feminism, I'm just saying she would appeal to them because she has a much more developed character and more potential for a character. My biggest concern isn't sex appeal by far, which should have been obvious.

 

You have your reasons, and I have mine. Deal with it.

[Drasiana]

> "She would appeal to feminists more because of these reasons I've arbitrarily defined, as a man!"

> Actual feminist says "uh, but not really because of [reasons]"

> Tells feminist to shut up and deal with it

 

lol okay

 

and no, it wasn't obvious that it wasn't your concern, with your constant complaining about Krystal porn and how horrible it is that people think she's sexy.

 

this is a stupid derail, just stop using feminism as an attempt to veil your fictional waifu contest

[Faisul]

Jeroscope you keep using the word 'feminism.' I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Drasiana]

Back on topic:

 

Next Star Fox game idea is for a large host of female characters who are not solely defined by their relationship to a man that actively do things in the universe. Let's get some Fara doing test pilot things, Krystal trying to figure out the weird "ancient civilization" stuff that's been sprinkled through the game lore (and actually figure out what happened to Cerinia!), let's keep Lucy as an engineering/support character, Katt doing her cool bandit thing, and I've always loved the idea of Fay and Miyu being a bounty hunter duo that sometimes helps, sometimes hinders Star Fox...

 

Fox can stay single until he decides what his personality is.

[Jeroscope]

Faisul is right and I feel like a biggot. If you wanted to shut me up, thats how you do it. You dont try to shoot down an argument by being a dick.

 

 

Restructuring my argument:

 

I don't like Krystal being in Starfox because she was originally intended for a completely different game. She was meant to be a much more adventurous and naive character in a completely different game alongside a more rigid and roughened up character in Dinosaur Planet. It was a mistake to try and incorporate her into Star Fox rather than contract Rare to make two separate games and simply release Dinosaur Planet for the N64 as originally intended. Star Fox Adventures should have been its own project for Rareware to tackle and may have been more like what we're used to. The on-rails segments clearly show that they are capable of it. But I digress...

 

Fara: Needs to be there from the start. In lore she was heavily involved in building the Arwing. Makes sense to put her on the team.

Katt: Katt isn't a bandit as much as she is the textbook definition of a merc. She does it for money. In lore, she has also had dealings with Falco, so I think putting some more time to that would be beneficial.

Fay & Miyu: Neither of these characters got enough time or dialogue for me to make a decision.

Krystal: Was never intended to be in SF. Its the truth and you all know it. While I do think after some rethinking that she can be fit in to the SF universe, her introduction in Adventures is not an acceptable way of doing so. She was tossed in as quite literally a trophy wife and they didnt explain  her reasoning for joining Star Fox that well. She just waltzed right in and they were all like "Let her in. She has boobs." Here's how I'd do it:

 

She runs after Fox after being rescued, found, etc. She asks if she can tag along for a bit. Fox says he cant carry anyone who doesnt know how to dogfight. She explains she doesnt have a solid place in the galaxy and needs to find where that is. Fox, after some thinking, accepts her in.

 

TLDR: Krystal joins because she wants to explore more of the universe and find out where she belongs. This was not well explained, and thats why she comes off as... Well... Slutty. Because originally, the first time I did a play through, she looked like she joined ONLY because of Fox, and thats still what I see when I go back and watch the cutscene.

[Faisul]

Oh, there's plenty of dick to be had with me as well. 

E: actually I'm pretty sure the only dicks here so far are you and me, I'm the one that said you didn't know what you were talking about. Dras was trying to explain why that is.

E2: Can't have them uppity womens flappin their fugly jaws at the menfolk after all.