StarFox: Future of the Storyline

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

ya know what? I think I'll start this planned post now while I still have time on my hands and it is still fresh on my mind: I had an idea for a fanfic continuation to the StarFox storyline to be continued, but it's complicated because I made it so that it makes SNES, 2, Dinosaur Planet and the comics part of the same timeline. I was going to post it somewhere a few years back, but I retconned in favor of two original stories instead, so I guess I'm no better than Nintendo after all.

Here's my take on the StarFox saga continuity;

It has been over a year since the "Events" of Command and General Pepper has passed away from his illness, Peppy has taken the reigns and has become the new military warlord of the Cornerian-Lylatian Defense Force (CLDF) A new inter-solar order has been created to preserve possible peace (remember I am still using the galactic neighborhood thing here) The Lylat system of planets is now basically a united Nations lead by Corneria, Katina, Sauria, Fortuna, the new outer colony, Venom (Lead by Dash Bowman as a leader of peace; or so they thought) the Sargasso colonial region, the new Titania colony, and Macbeth.

Venom has been successfully terraformed into a livable world, and Dash; thanks to the help of StarFox has now become the new emperor and cooperative, however all is not well (as always lel)

He has been secretly building a new Venom Empire with an alliance with Macbeth, Titania, and Sargasso to overrun and overthrow the rest of the Lylatian Order Of Peace. Team StarWolf has been in support of this new empire and stands as the spearhead of their operations in the criminal under world of the Lylat System.


Meanwhile; Fox has been going through a crisis the last few months, he feels that he has been distanced from his friends, Peppy being the new military leader, Falco has become one of his grand admirals, Slippy now works in a top secret military installation near Sector X as a weapons development agent, and Krystal has left him in her deepened pit of anguish towards Fox for kicking her out of the team, she makes it impossible for Fox to contact her by going to the far side of the Lylat System, she now lives on Sauria as one of Peppy's elite military agents to watch for any insurrection. In addition to this mission of hers; she also frequently flies into the area of space where her homeworld Cerenia once stood to psionically search for dust and echoes, to search for messages and answers lost in the massive floating rubble and smashed cities, purged and wiped out by Venom's last war.


as of Late, Dash had recieved information on some of Andross's old research notes; the reason he augmented himself into a floating space head was because it was an incomplete transcendence into a celestial being. Andross did this because he found evidence of not only an ancient civilization that populated the Lylat System long ago, but that they had transcended into various god-like celestial beings that still exist mysteriously today; the Krazoa from Dinosaur Planet and Adventures, the bird that appears during warps in SF SNES, the strange enemies in the warps in SF64, and the space whale from the comics; Andross wanted the celestial powers like they had.

Dash also learned the reason Andross ordered for Cerenia to be destroyed was because they were already spiritual/mystical peoples and believed they were a threat to his empire, so he destroyed them, he discovers Krystal is perhaps the last of their kind and has shown she attains all of their mystical abilities, so he designates she is a prime target of the Empire of Venom to be captured alive.

One day; he makes his chilling system-wide broadcast, Macbeth, Titania, and Sargasso at his side declare war on the rest of the Lylat System, and a new Lylat War would begin, soon after several surprise attacks were made on vital military installations and allied forces are driven back, within days of the war's beginning Fortuna and Katina are under siege, and Corneria is in a panic, Fox begins trying to reunite the team, but cannot find Krystal and learns Slippy has been captured.

Fara returns to Fox, knowing his relationship troubles with Fox and believes she could regain his interest, Bill Grey has offered help, but is currently stationed at Fortuna to battle Venom, Falco has been with Katt taking part in battle, and Fox has now joined them. Miyu and Fey return to Fox to rejoin the team as hired hands once again

Meanwhile in Venom control space; Krystal rescues Slippy and they attempt to fly back to Peppy for further instruction, however Krystal suddenly makes a chilling discovery; she senses a frightening and unusual brain pattern from an enemy she thought they had destroyed before.

A new Aparoid colony has appeared, but the "queen" exists in cyber space, and is instantly able to seize control of any machinery using the digital matrix of signals and computers. these "aparoids" have evolved and become ever more dangerous.


At some point the huge cast of characters reunite, and team StarWolf would get some new teammates. the StarFox team itself is Fox, Falco, Krystal, Slippy, Miyu and Fey. Fara, Katt, and Bill are another team created by General Peppy, and General Peppy himself still retains the same roll on the "team" as his flagship is actually the GreatFox III (will actually look like the GreatFox)

There is now a 3-way war, Venom, Corneria, and Aparoids. I like the idea of more than one enemy at a time, and the heroes being overwhelmed in a world of chaos. I have yet to pull all of this together as it is...a lot. but I love big crazy plotlines like this, and if Zelda can be even crazier than this, I'm sure StarFox can pull together a wild plot too, there is PLENTY of information throughout the series to work with, and I feel this is the best way to tie it all together.

 

[Robert Monroe]

>Falco as a grand admiral

>Falco in any sort of position of professional actual authority or responsibility

 

[Drasiana]

Fanfic board is thataway > http://www.starfox-online.net/forum/20-starfox-fanfiction/

 

But yeah Falco as an admiral is kind of weird and ooc and I don't really understand why anything in this story is happening. Why are the Aparoids back other than to needlessly complicate the plot? Why is Dash attacking Lylat other than to be Andross MK II? How does that help him be an ancient alien god thingy?

 

I unironically like the ancient civilization/ascended beings thing (as everyone else is probably aware of since I bring it up all the time like a lunatic) but I'm just not sure of the way you're trying to integrate it here.

[Joseph.]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk but is a story in a Star Fox game that important? I will admit, the whole thing with Fox's dad was interesting but all I want to do is shoot down baddies and help my teammates. What made Star Fox 64 famous wasn't the story but the amazing gameplay and characters who had personality so i wouldn't look to deep into the next SF story. 

 

Explaining character backgrounds would be nice but the story should just make sense and not have plot holes like Assault and Command did.

[Dr. Orange]

That feel when you walk into the club to discuss Starfax and it turns into a fanfic. 

 

Fool me once, shamé on you. Fool me twice, shamé on Obama.

 

Real talk now: all of the story post adventures is shot and needs rework. The end.

[Patch93]

.....Yeeeeah, I'm not gonna buy that whole clump of fanfiction you have there. I'd much rather have a post-64 reboot or an alternate timeline to the series taking place after defeating Robot Andross, ala Zelda. Star Fox really needs it after the shit we went through with the GC/DS games.

[CrypticQuery]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk but is a story in a Star Fox game that important? I will admit, the whole thing with Fox's dad was interesting but all I want to do is shoot down baddies and help my teammates. What made Star Fox 64 famous wasn't the story but the amazing gameplay and characters who had personality so i wouldn't look to deep into the next SF story. 

 

Explaining character backgrounds would be nice but the story should just make sense and not have plot holes like Assault and Command did.

 

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.  A good plot can take an average game to completely new heights and invest its players into its universe.  Simplistic narratives as we've seen before do get the job done, yes, but surely things could be taken to a whole new level if a detailed storyline is composed.  Some of the lore could finally be nailed down, and we could truly get to know the characters based upon their (hopefully one day) fleshed out backstories, motivations, and behavior toward/interactions with other characters.  I've seen fan comics and works with much more detailed happenings than the games (think Layeyes' comic and Fredryk's animated series) and it's beautiful to see just how much can be added to an experience with a good story and well-written characters behind it. 

 

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I will say that this is a partly unique take on the, albeit flawed, existing lore of the series post-Command.  There are problems with it, as outlined by others above, but it can serve as a workable outline if you choose to expand it into a full blown fanfiction and hopefully take heed of constructive criticism.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

>Falco as a grand admiral

>Falco in any sort of position of professional actual authority or responsibility

Hold on I might change it out, I'm actually stuck between making him grand admiral and having him go back to his gangsta stuff, he could find out about what Venom's been doing through the criminal underworld, and yes I want a criminal underworld in StarFox because Black sun in StarWars.

Also, fuck D20s I hate those dice, and they hate me. meanwhile I'm an unstoppable beast using D10s and D12s in RP games. speaking of which, I should throw in character stats while I'm at it, mostly based on previous games and the stats from Assault, even if they're about as well balanced as Jiggly puff in smash bros Melee (remember my opinion about stupid frickin tier lists)

 

 

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. A good plot can take an average game to completely new heights and invest its players into its universe. Simplistic narratives as we've seen before do get the job done, yes, but surely things could be taken to a whole new level if a detailed storyline is composed. Some of the lore could finally be nailed down, and we could truly get to know the characters based upon their (hopefully one day) fleshed out backstories, motivations, and behavior toward/interactions with other characters. I've seen fan comics and works with much more detailed happenings than the games (think Layeyes' comic and Fredryk's animated series) and it's beautiful to see just how much can be added to an experience with a good story and well-written characters behind it.

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I will say that this is a partly unique take on the, albeit flawed, existing lore of the series post-Command. There are problems with it, as outlined by others above, but it can serve as a workable outline if you choose to expand it into a full blown fanfiction and hopefully take heed of constructive criticism.

All I gotta say, is that I love all the StarFox games in general for the gameplay obviously, regardless of which game is your favorite, they're all a fair amount of lasting fun I don't often find in other games, but like I said, Zelda has a wild plotline, StarFox can too, and this goes farther back than SF64, remember a lot of my ideas were context from SF SNES and the comics, which did tell have some fascinating stuff, also, I'm planning on reflecting on what mysteriously happened to James Mccloud as well, it isn't gonna be like the one where he was transported to the F-Zero Universe but...something crazy, but still makes sense in the StarFox unverse. (cept shitty Command)

but yeah, I really want to put this fanfiction into action, and not just like a novel, but I want to do a visual novel type thing, I'd like to have manga-esc visuals. just keep in mind I cancelled this project in favor of two original stories of mine, one of which me and some friends are planning is a crossover, namely with my own story, and another friend of mine's original piece, however she's a lot farther along with her story than I am, her's is going to be 6-7 books in length, whereas mine is going to be like 3-4 long books at most, however I do have a more extensively detailed plot than hers, her story focuses more on the main characters than the setting.

Plus the cross-over project may be difficult, because her story is more super-natural and mystical, and mine's more heavy science fiction sort of thing. But it is shown that it can work, plus battles between characters will be more or less an even match, which is more than I can say for Avengers vs. X-Men; I did not like that crossover, plus I strongly prefer X-Men in both comics and movies over Avengers, X-men's more unique and politically realistic, Avengers is your typical super hero team out to save the world...that's about it. but let's focus on StarFox....unless ofcourse people do want to talk about other things, which I'm open to if that's allowed here.

 

 

.....Yeeeeah, I'm not gonna buy that whole clump of mediocre fanfiction you have there. I'd much rather have a post-64 reboot or an alternate timeline to the series taking place after defeating Robot Andross, ala Zelda. Star Fox really needs it after the shit we went through with the GC/DS games.

 

ugh that hurt pretty bad. how can you like the story in SF64? a reboot has got to be the dumbest idea ever. Assault on the GameCube was flatout awesome storywise, and an excellent gameplay concept too, I do believe both 64 and Assault can be improved exponentially, but a reboot is my absolute worst nightmare, it'll literally be even worse than StarFox Command, worse than 643D worse than...worse than Fox's voice in smash 4. don't say "We" you are probably the only person I've ever met who actually wants a 64-reboot.

[CrypticQuery]

(Posts merged in order to make the thread a little bit more organized.  Multiquote is a great function on that note.)

 

In regards to the first section of your post, Al, I wish you luck in your fanfiction endeavors.  As Rob and Dras have put though, it would be wise to consider the limited character traits that already exist in Star Fox lore when assigning character roles/positions, etc.  There is some characterization available from the series that would lend itself to being further elaborated upon well.  If you don't build off of these existing pieces, the fanfiction becomes less of a fanfiction and more of just a standard work of fiction with a Star Fox skin on IMO.

 

ugh that hurt pretty bad. how can you like the story in SF64? a reboot has got to be the dumbest idea ever. Assault on the GameCube was flatout awesome storywise, and an excellent gameplay concept too, I do believe both 64 and Assault can be improved exponentially, but a reboot is my absolute worst nightmare, it'll literally be even worse than StarFox Command, worse than 643D worse than...worse than Fox's voice in smash 4. don't say "We" you are probably the only person I've ever met who actually wants a 64-reboot.

 

Make that two people that wouldn't mind a reboot.

 

It seems as if, at least in my opinion, the storylines that followed 64 missed more often than they hit.  I'll leave Adventures out since it was a different game to begin with, but in terms of Assault I would hesitate to refer to its plot as a masterpiece.  A lot of the character motivations were muddied or flat-out didn't have much rational thought behind them, interactions amongst those characters didn't feel very genuine, and little was thoroughly explained, to the point that it made it difficult to care about major events within the game.  I haven't played it in awhile, so forgive me for not going into specifics, but generally that's the feeling that I got from it.  Don't get me wrong; Assault was surely a fun game to play and the multiplayer mode made for some great fun amongst friends, but the way the characters and plot were written could have had major improvements.  

 

As if that wasn't enough, I would like to go on the record as saying that I actually do like Fox's voice in Wii U Smash.  I believe that it's Mike West from SF64.  It matches with the hilarity and fast-paced action of Smash; his rendition is enthusiastic, and the yelling and grunts again line up perfectly in their respective setting.  Depending upon where the series goes in terms of its own games, that could be the right voice for the job, or it could not be.  (Though I will say that I enjoyed Falco, Slippy, and Wolf's voice actors from Assault.  They were fantastic.)  

[Joseph.]

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.  A good plot can take an average game to completely new heights and invest its players into its universe.  Simplistic narratives as we've seen before do get the job done, yes, but surely things could be taken to a whole new level if a detailed storyline is composed.  Some of the lore could finally be nailed down, and we could truly get to know the characters based upon their (hopefully one day) fleshed out backstories, motivations, and behavior toward/interactions with other characters.  I've seen fan comics and works with much more detailed happenings than the games (think Layeyes' comic and Fredryk's animated series) and it's beautiful to see just how much can be added to an experience with a good story and well-written characters behind it.

 

 

 I would love to see Nintendo write an epic story for it too but the thing is, Star Fox games were never  story-based like Zelda or Fire Emblem. Not saying SF will never have one but I see the chances of it happening are very low since cause most SF game stories are decent or just aren't treated with care (Assault / Command)

 

People buy Mario & Pokemon games because they expect new platforming levels and new Pokemon to catch. It's never about getting into the story for these games but it's about the fun you'll have with friends or just yourself.

 

I just feel that Nintendo has placed Star Fox in the category of "Buy for the Gameplay" (Mario, F-Zero,Star Fox, Punch-Out)  instead of "Buy for the Amazing Story and Gameplay"

 (Zelda, Fire Emblem, etc.) In other words I don't see Nintendo focusing much on the story but more on its gameplay mechanics  

 

And I totally agree that fans have done a better job explaining/expanding the story for the series.  

[CrypticQuery]

What Nintendo chooses to focus on and what I wish they'd focus a little more on seem to be two different things at the moment. 

Hopefully time will reverse that conclusion, but at least the fandom and my hopes are there.

[Drasiana]

don't say "We" you are probably the only person I've ever met who actually wants a 64-reboot.

 

He's saying "we" because, as an actual member of the community here, he has an idea of what "we" want. A good number of us, if not the majority, want a reboot. But feel free to give an actual reason as to why you think this would be THE WORST. IDEA. EVER. beyond blowing a blood vessel at an extremely vague concept

 

Like you might have a leg to stand on if Nintendo was all like "Star Fox is being rebooted as a grimdark space marine saga where everyone is humans" or something but no you're just getting extremely bent out of shape over an nebulous concept that could take a multitude of different forms. Adventures, Assault, and Command barely contributed anything-- the new characters (Krystal, Amanda, Panther, Dash) were introduced nonsensically only to be treated poorly by the narrative, the lore additions were pathetic (Sauria was the toothpaste to Lylat's orange juice) or bizarre (Anglars) and the plentiful background lore of the 64-era was all but ignored. Literally nothing of value would be lost if they were wiped, and it would give a chance for the series to reintroduce popular-but-badly-handled characters in a way that actually does them justice.

 

As for Assault's story...

 

I get why people liked it, and it's for the same reason it was flawed. Assault was attempting to follow a three-act film structure. Most popular movies follow three acts: it's a working formula and you probably have an intuitive understanding of it without even knowing it. It's easy to use, easy to adapt to, and familiar. Using it in a Star Fox game was an okay idea too, since the games have always tried to emulate a cinematic vibe.

 

... the thing is, it's just another narrative device and is still at the mercy of overall writing ability.

 

They completely shat the bed with the end of Act 2 (Sauria being the name offender here). The story was completely full of holes (Star Wolf's ships inexplicably destroyed in Meteo, why Pigma was doing literally anything, why Krystal was suddenly psychic), and the way it killed off/wrote out Pepper, Pigma, and Andrew seemed not only unnecessary but weirdly mean-spirited. The whole attempt at a theme/moral with the Aparoid Queen and Wolf's advice really made no contextual sense with the rest of the story. Basically, the entire plot was like a kid writing a fanfic trying to be deep and edgy, but being unable to critically think about what actually adds depth to a story. Literally the only arc that had any weight to it was Peppy's, and his character development there is basically the only thing I'd miss in a reboot. And his character development there was the only development that actually existed -- none of the other characters really learn or grow from anything, not even your main protagonist himself.

 

If these things had been polished, Assault would have been not too shabby in the story department. At least, it would have been functional, which is why 64 gets credit over every other game. "Making sense and having a clear protagonist character arc" is really not a high bar to jump over, so it's not a matter of 64 somehow being the Citizen Kane of video games, it's that it functioned.

 

The complexity of Star Fox's plot has nothing to do with how good said plot is, and that's the point where I think most people misguidedly focus their attention. Simple stories and complex stories can suck equally (Adventures was an extremely simple story too, keep in mind), the turning point is the way the characters and narrative devices are used to the purpose they are trying to accomplish. Assault's starting point wasn't its downfall, it was the execution, and we'd probably have some very different things to say about the game if they'd given the script another go even working within the same story idea.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

What Nintendo chooses to focus on and what I wish they'd focus a little more on seem to be two different things at the moment. 

Hopefully time will reverse that conclusion, but at least the fandom and my hopes are there.

Hope is not something you should rely on, I'm sorry to yet again be a debbie downer but this is out of my own experience, we have to make things happen, or they will not happen at all. I know how you feel though, Nintendo has never gone about the StarFox series the way they should, they've abused the series since the very beginning, I don't want to get into detail on what I mean right now but...

Anyways, I don't remember who said it but know the Aparoids won't be like the friggin Borge from Star Trek again like in Assault, it's fun and kinda cool the first time but Andross designed them to evolve ~ yes, that's my theory. see years before it was said that Andross was a weapon's development officer, much like what I plan to do with Slippy, except Slippy won't turn out evil obviously. See, it would make since for the Aparoids to be a failed bio/superweapon that went awall and nearly destroyed the Lylat system, and it was stated that in the past the Aparoids appear, to me it all lines up, yes I guess it seems a little cliche and happens all the time, but it makes perfect sense.

Anyways, the Aparoids have evolved and become fully sentient, infact the "Queen" Who will actually be made male in appearance, will basically be similar to Agent Smith from the Matrix; he travels through cyber space in a form of "teleportation" ~ it isn't teleportation; he has the ability to travel through space as basically a radio signal, but it is lightning fast and he can basically go from one side to the other in an instant, he can also seize control of say a huge battleship and start melding them together, creating a colossal space station, a new hive to be exact. He controls all the aparoids just like the queen does, but because he's evolved and fully sentient, he can think creatively, combine that with a computer-like mind, he's not only calculating but creative, highly intelligent.

I want to state a few more details I left out; Krystal will probably never be in love with Fox again, but she may eventually consider him a friend, Fox himself won't be emo if that's what your thinking I'm doing, but I do want to give him a hint of sorrow, regret, and inner conflict; Fox has always seemed sorta bland as a character to me. There's gotta be some emotion in our lead-role badass. Falco will be...Falco as ever, I guess he should instead be a gangster, that gives him connections to the criminal underworld, therefore allowing him to gather information without being limited by official military responsibility.

It will also be explained as to what happened to James Mccloud, remember in SNES that General Pepper told Fox that they lost contact with James in the Awesome Black hole, but it also said he was captured by Andross on Venom, here's how it is; I think Andross could have used James as a pig for his experiments in his obsessive research in the strange celestial beings all over the Lylat system, so he sends James in his old ST Arwing into the black hole to see if he can survive; logically he won't be crushed into a singularity, because the Arwing is equiped with G-diffusion technology, which is what gives them their incredible manueverability both in space and under a planet's gravitational influence. even though I used to think G-diffusion reduces the effects of G forces on Fox, oh and about that, it was more primitive back in James's generation, so Fox will not have cybernetic legs, Peppy will though given he's from James's generation.

How is James still able to communicate with Fox in SF64 and other games in the series? he's not a ghost, he BECAME a celestial being, he became 4th dimensional which is why he is able to travel through time, and is also 5th dimensional giving him the ability to trascend space as well. so he does not exist physically, he is above our plain, beyond it.

I take inspiration for this from StarGate, Star Trek, and Space Odyssey, oh and my own original story as well. scifi should have some theoretical physics in effect, that's what makes it plotwise cool. I know StarFox isn't as big in plot as Zelda, but I feel it's bigger than Fire Emblem, there is more trivial information to work with in StarFox than in most other Nintendo games, almost as much as Zelda even.

 

[Xidphel]

Personally, I'm against a reboot. I've mentioned that a couple of time.

But I'm also aware that a lot of people would want that to happen. So far you and I are the only ones who are against it, Lefty. At least in this board.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

He's saying "we" because, as an actual member of the community here, he has an idea of what "we" want. A good number of us, if not the majority, want a reboot. But feel free to give an actual reason as to why you think this would be THE WORST. IDEA. EVER. beyond blowing a blood vessel at an extremely vague concept

 

Like you might have a leg to stand on if Nintendo was all like "Star Fox is being rebooted as a grimdark space marine saga where everyone is humans" or something but no you're just getting extremely bent out of shape over an nebulous concept that could take a multitude of different forms. Adventures, Assault, and Command barely contributed anything-- the new characters (Krystal, Amanda, Panther, Dash) were introduced nonsensically only to be treated poorly by the narrative, the lore additions were pathetic (Sauria was the toothpaste to Lylat's orange juice) or bizarre (Anglars) and the plentiful background lore of the 64-era was all but ignored. Literally nothing of value would be lost if they were wiped, and it would give a chance for the series to reintroduce popular-but-badly-handled characters in a way that actually does them justice.

 

As for Assault's story...

 

I get why people liked it, and it's for the same reason it was flawed. Assault was attempting to follow a three-act film structure. Most popular movies follow three acts: it's a working formula and you probably have an intuitive understanding of it without even knowing it. It's easy to use, easy to adapt to, and familiar. Using it in a Star Fox game was an okay idea too, since the games have always tried to emulate a cinematic vibe.

 

... the thing is, it's just another narrative device and is still at the mercy of overall writing ability.

 

They completely shat the bed with the end of Act 2 (Sauria being the name offender here). The story was completely full of holes (Star Wolf's ships inexplicably destroyed in Meteo, why Pigma was doing literally anything, why Krystal was suddenly psychic), and the way it killed off/wrote out Pepper, Pigma, and Andrew seemed not only unnecessary but weirdly mean-spirited. The whole attempt at a theme/moral with the Aparoid Queen and Wolf's advice really made no contextual sense with the rest of the story. Basically, the entire plot was like a kid writing a fanfic trying to be deep and edgy, but being unable to critically think about what actually adds depth to a story. Literally the only arc that had any weight to it was Peppy's, and his character development there is basically the only thing I'd miss in a reboot. And his character development there was the only development that actually existed -- none of the other characters really learn or grow from anything, not even your main protagonist himself.

 

If these things had been polished, Assault would have been not too shabby in the story department. At least, it would have been functional, which is why 64 gets credit over every other game. "Making sense and having a clear protagonist character arc" is really not a high bar to jump over, so it's not a matter of 64 somehow being the Citizen Kane of video games, it's that it functioned.

 

The complexity of Star Fox's plot has nothing to do with how good said plot is, and that's the point where I think most people misguidedly focus their attention. Simple stories and complex stories can suck equally (Adventures was an extremely simple story too, keep in mind), the turning point is the way the characters and narrative devices are used to the purpose they are trying to accomplish. Assault's starting point wasn't its downfall, it was the execution, and we'd probably have some very different things to say about the game if they'd given the script another go even working within the same story idea.

far more people liked Assault than hated it, it is still popular, and so are Krystal, and even Panther, getting rid of them would be the last nail to the coffin in my faith for StarFox. Krystal for example brings so much to the StarFox series, mystical effect like a Jedi, psychic makes sense because it was still stated in Dinosaur Planet and StarFox Adventures, on almost every other threat I've ever seen people want the series to continue from Assault, rarely do I see people want a full plot reboot.

remember the entire StarFox series was pretty silly in plot, childish, but guess what so is StarWars and StarWars is probably the greatest fictional franchise of alltime. SF64 had almost no story development, even SNES probably had more depth, SF Adventures is literally the only StarFox game in the series that has less depth than 64.

[Xidphel]

 

far more people liked Assault than hated it

 

[Citation needed]

 

 

it is still popular, and so are Krystal

 

furaffinity

 

 

mystical effect like a Jedi, psychic

 

That's one of those things I don't like in Sci-fi. Psychic, telekinesis, magic, spirits. Doctor Who had that problem with the witches in S3E2. 

 

 

 

SF Adventures is literally the only StarFox game in the series that has less depth than 64.

 

[Joseph.]

far more people liked Assault than hated it, it is still popular, and so are Krystal, and even Panther, getting rid of them would be the last nail to the coffin in my faith for StarFox. Krystal for example brings so much to the StarFox series, mystical effect like a Jedi, psychic makes sense because it was still stated in Dinosaur Planet and StarFox Adventures, on almost every other threat I've ever seen people want the series to continue from Assault, rarely do I see people want a full plot reboot.

remember the entire StarFox series was pretty silly in plot, childish, but guess what so is StarWars and StarWars is probably the greatest fictional franchise of alltime. SF64 had almost no story development, even SNES probably had more depth, SF Adventures is literally the only StarFox game in the series that has less depth than 64.

 

 How is removing two characters that have no personality be the last nail in the coffin???

I don't think much people realize this but Nintendo just wants to make money. They could care less if a blue fox gets into a relationship with another fox or panther....

 

 

 

That's one of those things I don't like in Sci-fi. Psychic, telekinesis, magic, spirits. Doctor Who had that problem with the witches in S3E2. 

 

Completely agree with you. There was one thing i couldn't stand about Adventures and it was the whole magic thing. You don't know how uncomfortable I felt when I saw Fox get on his knees to release a spirit....

 

 

 

EDIT: People want a reboot because all 9 endings in Command were awful!

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

I didn't like that part of Adventures either, but hey Krystal had a personality, she's supposed to be quiet, calm and disciplined, not loud and obnoxious like Slippy or Falco.

Removing characters is something that has abused the series its entire history, Fara among others was thrown in the trash after Command, not that I really like Fara, not many people do. Miyu and Fey could have been really cool in StarFox 64, but they were thrown out as well, getting rid of Krystal would lose a lot of fanbase, therefore a lot of money will be absent in Nintendo's pocket book, but then again it doesn't even matter. the WiiU so far has been a pretty bad flop, and I highly doubt StarFox WiiU will do well in sales, looking at how well 643d and Command did....

Also, I don't see what is so wrong with wanting to fix a problem that has gone untouched in the series since the very first game.

Oh, and about SF64, other than the introduction, remember all that build up you experienced in building up for the very end? yeah I don't either, I liked the 3 act thing in Assault, first its about Oikonny's rebellion; implies political unrest in the StarFox universe at least coming from people that used to work for Venom, then the Aparoids came (I just explained how that COULD relate to Andross), but they didn't seem all that scary at first, then they have to hunt down Pigma for a few missions, once they catch him, the Aparoids only seem to get worse, but when things look dark, by some miracle as always there's a weapon that ultimately brings down the Aparoids, and if you ask me still leaves a lot to the imagination.

with StarFox Adventures, Dinosaur Planet actually had a pretty cool story planned out, basically Krystal is still a traveler from another world, and Sabre is a royal Knight from Animus, Krystal is an apprentice to Randorn; a mystical wizard who sends her on missions basically. But when it got shifted into StarFox Adventures, it made about as much sense to me as... a lot of things in StarWars.

[Drasiana]

far more people liked Assault than hated it, it is still popular, and so are Krystal, and even Panther, getting rid of them would be the last nail to the coffin in my faith for StarFox

 

weird, it's almost as if you completely ignored the part where I said a reboot would literally be the best chance for the series to use these characters because they could introduce them tastefully, in a way that made sense

 

Krystal for example brings so much to the StarFox series, mystical effect like a Jedi, psychic makes sense because it was still stated in Dinosaur Planet and StarFox Adventures

 

 

Krystal was not psychic in Star Fox Adventures. Never at any point did she use the powers she inexplicably had in Assault. She had a magic staff, and a Krazoa gave Fox a vision of her suffering. The telepathy was 100% an invention of Assault.

 

remember the entire StarFox series was pretty silly in plot, childish, but guess what so is StarWars and StarWars is probably the greatest fictional franchise of alltime. SF64 had almost no story development, even SNES probably had more depth, SF Adventures is literally the only StarFox game in the series that has less depth than 64.

 

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here or what it has to do with my post.

 

Star Wars is a good tonal litmus test for Star Fox. It's also an extremely structurally-sound series, something Assault was absolutely not. Assault's storytelling shortcomings actually become more obvious upon comparing it to Star Wars.

 

Not really sure why you're continuing to bitch about 64 either since I literally just said it was extremely simple. My point is that despite its simplicity, it was structurally sound.

 

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I didn't like that part of Adventures either, but hey Krystal had a personality, she's supposed to be quiet, calm and disciplined, not loud and obnoxious like Slippy or Falco.

 

this is also patently wrong in Adventures since the first thing she does is yell at and try to punch a 9 foot tall lizard man in the face, and the next-to-last thing she does is yell at Fox and then try to shoot Andross in the face. She becomes calm and quiet in Assault but this is inconsistent with Adventures.

 

 

not that I really like Fara, not many people do

 

what is with these weird blanket assumptions you keep making?

 

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 Fara among others was thrown in the trash after Command

 

...what?

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

 

weird, it's almost as if you completely ignored the part where I said a reboot would literally be the best chance for the series to use these characters because they could introduce them tastefully, in a way that made sense

 

 

 

Krystal was not psychic in Star Fox Adventures. Never at any point did she use the powers she inexplicably had in Assault. She had a magic staff, and a Krazoa gave Fox a vision of her suffering. The telepathy was 100% an invention of Assault.

 

 

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here or what it has to do with my post.

 

Star Wars is a good tonal litmus test for Star Fox. It's also an extremely structurally-sound series, something Assault was absolutely not. Assault's storytelling shortcomings actually become more obvious upon comparing it to Star Wars.

 

Not really sure why you're continuing to bitch about 64 either since I literally just said it was extremely simple. My point is that despite its simplicity, it was structurally sound.

 

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this is also patently wrong in Adventures since the first thing she does is yell at and try to punch a 9 foot tall lizard man in the face, and the next-to-last thing she does is yell at Fox and then try to shoot Andross in the face. She becomes calm and quiet in Assault but this is inconsistent with Adventures.

 

 

 

what is with these weird blanket assumptions you keep making?

 

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...what?

 

COMICS, for christ sake I get 5 hours of sleep a night, give me a break. Also, look at how popular Krystal is; she's practically Jesus of the furry fandom, hell I'll admit she's how I got into furry in the first place, or at least StarFox in general; thanks to that and perhaps a taste of Sly Cooper is why I think anthro-humanoid characters are cool. Oh and Fara? look how popular she is, yes she's in Fred Fux animated series, which is alright as a comedy sketch, but think of it this way, he's one of the nine fara fans in existence, I guess that's a little mean to say, but its practically true.

[Xidphel]

not that I really like Fara

B-BAKA

[Drasiana]

COMICS, for christ sake I get 5 hours of sleep a night, give me a break. Also, look at how popular Krystal is; she's practically Jesus of the furry fandom, hell I'll admit she's how I got into furry in the first place, or at least StarFox in general; thanks to that and perhaps a taste of Sly Cooper is why I think anthro-humanoid characters are cool. Oh and Fara? look how popular she is, yes she's in Fred Fux animated series, which is alright as a comedy sketch, but think of it this way, he's one of the nine fara fans in existence, I guess that's a little mean to say, but its practically true.

 

Well thanks for telling us that you got to the fandom via Krystal jackoff but your ratio of visible keyboard is not directly proportionate to the game's actual reception. It's hilarious that you stalked Rob around to yell at him for being some kind of Star Fox Fandom KKK when every time you make a post you include some weird untrue "well no one/everyone in the fandom thinks THIS" statement that's actually just you trying to pass off your own opinion as some kind of infallible law. Stop it.

 

Once again, everything you're saying here has fuck-nothing to do with my post anyway since, for the THIRD TIME I AM REITERATING, I never said wipe Krystal or anyone else from the continuity. A reboot means erasing them just as much as it means erasing Fox, which means to say, it doesn't. I literally wrote >an entire topic dedicated to how and why Krystal should be rebooted.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

fuckin weabs. lol anyways. to be fair at least I'd choose to include Fara as a minor character, but it is pretty much a fact that she'll never, ever ever be seen in a game anyway. I do like Fara more than most of the StarFox community, regardless of where they stand. seriously, the masses who support Krystal piss me off, the rather large number of those who support all or most of the games like me piss me off, and ofcourse Nostalgia biggotry piss me off. If you haven't noticed I care little of what people think it doesn't make a difference to me. As for Fara, I like her more than the fanbase, or fanbases in general so that says quite a bit.

Sorry to show off my apparently unfriendly side again, but someone has to be like this, or things will be left unsaid.

Anyways, Fara is a good character, but her popularity is a bit limited, then again very little remains of the popularity anyway so Nintendo may need every little bit of support they can if they can even consider WiiU a moderate success, I felt really hurt to see the WiiU will never break 20 mil units world wide by the end of the decade, and StarFox was never really popular, at best from 64-NGC-Wii it had a moderate amount of passionate fans

[Drasiana]

 If you haven't noticed I care little of what people think it doesn't make a difference to me.

 

apparently since you're having a full-blown conversation with yourself at this point

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

Well thanks for telling us that you got to the fandom via Krystal jackoff but your ratio of visible keyboard is not directly proportionate to the game's actual reception. It's hilarious that you stalked Rob around to yell at him for being some kind of Star Fox Fandom KKK when every time you make a post you include some weird untrue "well no one/everyone in the fandom thinks THIS" statement that's actually just you trying to pass off your own opinion as some kind of infallible law. Stop it.

 

Once again, everything you're saying here has fuck-nothing to do with my post anyway since, for the THIRD TIME I AM REITERATING, I never said wipe Krystal or anyone else from the continuity. A reboot means erasing them just as much as it means erasing Fox, which means to say, it doesn't. I literally wrote >an entire topic dedicated to how and why Krystal should be rebooted.

Um, yeah, was still trolling, but be that as it may he has still told me that he basically hates the whole StarFox series, so it perplexes me on how he even cares. also whether or not on that one post of yours, it still seems to be an unbalanced and kinda unfair argument, but I don't even care for that crap anymore anyway. when did I say my opinion was a law? my opinion is educated and informed, but not a law, if it were a law how would I enforce it? lol

I can't stop something that hasn't technically happened, this discussion doesn't even seem to be about plot anymore, much less would I call it a decent discussion. I can still feel your hatred and rage burning beneath my ass, I troll a raging snob a couple times and I'm in the fire forever, I guess its because he's technically been here longer, I still find it perplexing you leave out all the colorful things he's said about me. he makes fun of me in areas I choose not to counter, given that I can, I'm no nice person but I'm not a mean person or judgemental prick either. One of you guys could wack off to clopper porn for all I care, will I hold it against you? no, will I be disturbed if you link me to it? yes, but to be honest nothing even shocks me anymore, I've seen much, much worse, and not on my own terms either.