StarFox: Future of the Storyline

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

apparently since you're having a full-blown conversation with yourself at this point

No, it's that I'm anti-social, at least on the Internet, yes I want to attempt to have discussion with you guys, but I have my reasons to keep my inner personal circle closed, to several people in real life, and at most 5 people over the Internet. I'm trying to make my point as clear as I can, because people don't even seem to be listening to me.

[Xidphel]

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[Drasiana]

I literally feel like I'm having a stroke trying to read your posts here. Actually all I can do is break down what just happened just so we're all clear:

 

you: assault had a good story

me: but here is a reason that assault did not have a good story

you: *begins talking about fara, the overall popularity of assault, and screaming about how erasing krystal from the continuity would ruin the series forever and how she gives you boners*

me: but i didn't say anything about any of that

you: *continues talking about fara and how you are a Cool Internet Dude for having star fox opinions*

me: what

you: One of you guys could wack off to clopper porn for all I care, will I hold it against you? no, will I be disturbed if you link me to it? yes, but to be honest nothing even shocks me anymore, I've seen much, much worse, and not on my own terms either. No, it's that I'm anti-social, at least on the Internet, yes I want to attempt to have discussion with you guys, but I have my reasons to keep my inner personal circle closed, to several people in real life, and at most 5 people over the Internet. I'm trying to make my point as clear as I can, because people don't even seem to be listening to me.

 

you talk like a jrpg npc wandered out of his game by accident

[Joseph.]

No, it's that I'm anti-social, at least on the Internet, yes I want to attempt to have discussion with you guys, but I have my reasons to keep my inner personal circle closed, to several people in real life, and at most 5 people over the Internet. I'm trying to make my point as clear as I can, because people don't even seem to be listening to me.

 

 If you want people to listen then don't write a whole news paper article about your opinion. Your talking a lot about vain things here, meaning: You're talking about things that are completely  Meaningless to us and for yourself as well. Remember, these characters won't change your life but they will effect it if you create an obsession over them. Have you seen Krystal fans? Wasting time on minor characters on a gaming series based on talking animals in space is just plain dumb. Fan fiction is fun and all but your taking this way to seriously.   

[Pharaoh Shadon]

Personally, I'm against a reboot. I've mentioned that a couple of time.

But I'm also aware that a lot of people would want that to happen. So far you and I are the only ones who are against it, Lefty. At least in this board.

I use to think that a reboot isn't necessarily needed, just get command out of the picture and the story will be just fine after assault. (Maybe finally touch up on Krystals past and explain a few things.

 

BUUUUT now that I think more on the topic, a reboot could be for the better.

 

Assault seemed to have killed people off (Although I still think that Pigma and Andrew could very well have survived. The laser could have missed Andrew, and one could speculate that Pigma didn't actually transform into that thing, but what happened was what happened with pepper. They fused into the machine but only a part of it. Once the machine is destroyed, they can escape the aparoid's control.

 

 

Although that is just speculation, a reboot could start the story over and give a vast better story. It could start with starfox 64 and re-vamp the story so there is no need for speculation, explain odd things they never touched up on (Like Krystal's planet/the wolfens just hanging around in the astroid belt) A way to keep all the characters is make a new back story of sorts of how Krystal joined the team, and then when they go to Adventures story, they could say that Krystal was kidnapped (Or just skip Adventures entirely, that works too)

 

 

It's no wonder Nintendo hasn't done a reboot, it's a tricky question XD Do we keep all the characters? If so then how do we re-write things to make them fit? Do we just keep certain games how they are and re-write the games from a certain point? (Like start the story up from after starfox 64) There's a split flanbase, if we start over, do we put Krystal in from the beginning? Or do we do what we did last time and not put her in until a few games down the line? If we do that though, it might feel like people are re-buying starfox 64 again and that may be a turn off, and if we start up after N64, then what about the fans who liked adventures/assault? SOOOOOOOOOO MANY QUESTIONS AND STUFFS!!!!! XD

[Vy'drach]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk but is a story in a Star Fox game that important? I will admit, the whole thing with Fox's dad was interesting but all I want to do is shoot down baddies and help my teammates. What made Star Fox 64 famous wasn't the story but the amazing gameplay and characters who had personality so i wouldn't look to deep into the next SF story. 

 

Explaining character backgrounds would be nice but the story should just make sense and not have plot holes like Assault and Command did.

 

You'd be amazed at just how much a little bit of story will go a long way. A prime example would be Dark Souls where 90% of the who/what/when/where/why of the game is given through a few sentences, if that, from NPCs and mostly from a few sentences in item descriptions, but it creates a beautifully intricate and mysterious world that to this day, 4 years after its release, is being hotly contested and new theories are emerging.

 

 

Sorry to show off my apparently unfriendly side again, but someone has to be like this, or things will be left unsaid.

 

You can state things without being antagonistic, belligerent, ignoring points of peoples' posts, and otherwise being an unsavory individual. You can state facts, and you can state opinions, but keep in mind facts will be called out until otherwise backed up and such, and opinions are subjective and most everyone will disagree with it depending on how deep and detailed you go.

 

And everyone, there's no rule against it or anything, and I know it's 99% likely to have run its course for the topic, but for my sake can we not bring up clop again, like ever, for it makes me sad. Like, real-talk, it really can make me sad and I would greatly appreciate it not being brought up if it can be avoided.

 

And also, simmer down folks. Y'all can have opinions and debates so long as they fall within the rules, but keep it bloody civil.

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

It's no wonder Nintendo hasn't done a reboot, it's a tricky question XD Do we keep all the characters? If so then how do we re-write things to make them fit? Do we just keep certain games how they are and re-write the games from a certain point? (Like start the story up from after starfox 64) There's a split flanbase, if we start over, do we put Krystal in from the beginning? Or do we do what we did last time and not put her in until a few games down the line? If we do that though, it might feel like people are re-buying starfox 64 again and that may be a turn off, and if we start up after N64, then what about the fans who liked adventures/assault? SOOOOOOOOOO MANY QUESTIONS AND STUFFS!!!!! XD

 

This, so much this!!! I really think it goes back to what you said in the begging though. The one option that upsets the least amount of people is to simply say Command never happened. I love your ideas for Andrew and Pigma surviving, especially Pigma considering the context of saving Pepper.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

Take my word for it, whether you like it or not, I've been all over this site and seen A LOT of people that would dissagree with you on the reboot thing, and whole legions of people on tumblr, youtube, etc that would not want a full reboot. perhaps 7 out of 10 people or more seem to want it to continue from Assault, there is a measurable number who want a reboot as well, but I still see a lot more people who want it to continue from Assault, personally I want it to continue from the first ending of Command, so I am DEFINITELY on the minority on that, but almost literally everyone reboot or no reboot want Command out of the picture all together, but they totally forget about Dash....seriously I want him as a bad guy, a new leader.

I'm about eat a bullet about trying to debate with you, I'm still getting used to the new layout so please understand that I'm doing my best.

If you want people to listen then don't write a whole news paper article about your opinion. Your talking a lot about vain things here, meaning: You're talking about things that are completely Meaningless to us and for yourself as well. Remember, these characters won't change your life but they will effect it if you create an obsession over them. Have you seen Krystal fans? Wasting time on minor characters on a gaming series based on talking animals in space is just plain dumb. Fan fiction is fun and all but your taking this way to seriously.

some people happen to be into it more than you. that simple


oh and another thing about the reboot, it wouldn't make much sense continuing from 64, I've had enough reboots from Nintendo about StarFox as is, a lot of people have. plus remember that 643d did not sell well at all, it didn't even break 1 mil, but neither did Command, Assault did really well overrall on just about everything despite some heavily exaggerated criticism from some. I want to continue from Command, most people from Assault, and a good number of people from 64. but...it probably doesn't matter anyway; remember Miyamoto says he's more about making some new and unique innovations for the game than making an enthralling story, so regardless of who's in the game; it'll be like this; "StarFox go fight bad guys." "Yes sir. let's roll." "Do a barrel roll." "Fox help me, even though we're all supposed to be elite mercinaries we still need help constantly!!"

I"m going to have to live with it, but so long as team StarWolf are back, Krystal is there to stay, and the voices aren't as bad as the new smash voices, I'll be psyched. I mean the last good game was now over ten years ago (Command was garbage, and 643d was....ok.) will my expectations be met, definitely not Edited February 25, 2015 by OneUnder
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[Xidphel]

Take my word for it, whether you like it or not, I've been all over this site and seen A LOT of people that would dissagree with you on the reboot thing, and whole legions of people on tumblr, youtube, etc that would not want a full reboot. perhaps 7 out of 10 people or more seem to want it to continue from Assault, there is a measurable number who want a reboot as well, but I still see a lot more people who want it to continue from Assault, personally I want it to continue from the first ending of Command, so I am DEFINITELY on the minority on that, but almost literally everyone reboot or no reboot want Command out of the picture all together, but they totally forget about Dash....seriously I want him as a bad guy, a new leader.

I'm about eat a bullet about trying to debate with you, I'm still getting used to the new layout so please understand that I'm doing my best.

 

 

some people happen to be into it more than you. that simple

 

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IS THAT REALLY SO HARD?!

 

 

I'm still getting used to the new layout so please understand that I'm doing my best.

 

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

I literally feel like I'm having a stroke trying to read your posts here. Actually all I can do is break down what just happened just so we're all clear:

 

you: assault had a good story

me: but here is a reason that assault did not have a good story

you: *begins talking about fara, the overall popularity of assault, and screaming about how erasing krystal from the continuity would ruin the series forever and how she gives you boners*

me: but i didn't say anything about any of that

you: *continues talking about fara and how you are a Cool Internet Dude for having star fox opinions*

me: what

you: One of you guys could wack off to clopper porn for all I care, will I hold it against you? no, will I be disturbed if you link me to it? yes, but to be honest nothing even shocks me anymore, I've seen much, much worse, and not on my own terms either. No, it's that I'm anti-social, at least on the Internet, yes I want to attempt to have discussion with you guys, but I have my reasons to keep my inner personal circle closed, to several people in real life, and at most 5 people over the Internet. I'm trying to make my point as clear as I can, because people don't even seem to be listening to me.

 

you talk like a jrpg npc wandered out of his game by accident

 

 

 If you want people to listen then don't write a whole news paper article about your opinion. Your talking a lot about vain things here, meaning: You're talking about things that are completely  Meaningless to us and for yourself as well. Remember, these characters won't change your life but they will effect it if you create an obsession over them. Have you seen Krystal fans? Wasting time on minor characters on a gaming series based on talking animals in space is just plain dumb. Fan fiction is fun and all but your taking this way to seriously.   

 

 

MULTIQUOTE!

EDIT!

IS THAT REALLY SO HARD?!

 

 

 

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!

THERE, I FIGURED IT OUT, WHHEEEE

[CrypticQuery]

THERE, I FIGURED IT OUT, WHHEEEE

 

 

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plus remember that 643d did not sell well at all, it didn't even break 1 mil

 

VGChartz has the game's total sales worldwide at about 0.84 million, but I'm unsure of whether or not that includes digital sales through the eshop.  Considering that physical copies of SF643D aren't in print anymore and are difficult if not impossible to find in retailers (much to my chagrin), this could conceivably be a contributing factor. 

 

Out of curiosity, what specifically do you dislike about 643D?  I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, but have played the original. 

[Xidphel]

Out of curiosity, what specifically do you dislike about 643D?  I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, but have played the original. 

 

If it's not the VA aside from Fox, Falco and the guy from training mode that makes everyone orgasm everytime he speaks, you're wrong, Left.

 

If you hate said training mode guy, whom I shall now refer to as Barry Freeman, you're wrong.

[InfinitySquared]

I personally don't mind it. It's just different, 'tis all, although the N64 wins in my book.

[Pharaoh Shadon]

I personally don't mind it. It's just different, 'tis all, although the N64 wins in my book.

Outside of graphics (Voice acting?) and just sticking to gameplay, what's the difference? I own both and I gotta say, starfox 64 3D.

 

 

Speaking of something I forgot, smash 4 voice actor o.o Are we SURE that is the same guy from starfox 64? My friend mains fox, which is cool and all but... I CANNOT STAND THAT VOICE!!!!!!!!!!! I ALMOST WANT TO BAN FOX USAGE AT MY HOUSE JUST SO I DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT DX

[Drasiana]

 

some people happen to be into it more than you

 

Stop invoking the name of the nebulous "some people" whenever you're confronted with some other people whose opinions don't line up with yours. We're not going to roll over and change our minds just because some unnamed entity on Youtube might disagree with us somewhere. If you have a legitimate point to make, make it, because this isn't it.

[Xortberg]

Also I'd like to step in and say your claim of " perhaps 7 out of 10 people or more seem to want it to continue from Assault" is just as reliable as this statistic:

 

9 out of 10 furries want the next Star Fox game to literally just be "Krystal Fucking Simulator 2015"

 

See, pulling completely unsubstantiated statistics out of your ass really doesn't do anything to strengthen your point because if Dras or anyone else disagreed with your point, they could seriously just say "Oh, well I've been around the SF fandom for a while and perhaps 7 out of 10 people want a rebbot" and you know what? That's just as valid. (Which is to say it's not valid at all)

 

If you want to pull up statistics or speak for a large group (well, I say that like the SF fandom is large in the first place) then you need to source some shit. You need to give actual evidence. Otherwise, keep your arguments contained to your own views.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

Also I'd like to step in and say your claim of " perhaps 7 out of 10 people or more seem to want it to continue from Assault" is just as reliable as this statistic:

 

9 out of 10 furries want the next Star Fox game to literally just be "Krystal Fucking Simulator 2015"

 

See, pulling completely unsubstantiated statistics out of your ass really doesn't do anything to strengthen your point because if Dras or anyone else disagreed with your point, they could seriously just say "Oh, well I've been around the SF fandom for a while and perhaps 7 out of 10 people want a rebbot" and you know what? That's just as valid. (Which is to say it's not valid at all)

 

If you want to pull up statistics or speak for a large group (well, I say that like the SF fandom is large in the first place) then you need to source some shit. You need to give actual evidence. Otherwise, keep your arguments contained to your own views.

look, I just get my information based on what I've seen throughout the internet, how am I supposed to prove it to you, and why does it matter THAT MUCH? ughh

Anyways, just look around, doesn't matter what you or I say, there are a lot of people against a reboot, I didn't say there weren't a lot of people for a reboot either, but I think a reboot would be wasteful, literally over half the series is basically dumped down the garbage again, it would be easier to bring up old plotlines than have to piss off a huge portion of the fanbase and create all new crap. rebooting from SNES was unnecessary as is

keep in mind I don't actually agree with "Continue from Assault" group, next to nobody agrees on my side, but I was just guestimating anyways, if you need to take it so seriously, insult me unnecessarily and then spit all over my points than that's obviously your own problem

Assume we made a poll, even so it would be sketchy, almost everyone on this post are people that don't like me so ofcourse I'll be thrown under the bus over and over regardless of who's right.

But it doesn't matter, I've still yet to be convinced otherwise that going ALL THE WAY BACK, AGAIN, and WASTING a lot of usable context AGAIN, and flipping people off AGAIN, would be better than pulling together a well structured sequel, Assault had a more in-depth story than 64 did, that's basically a fact, if you don't think so I'd gladly discuss it. yes, Adventures was really dumb, but that's because it was pulled together on the spot, and c'mon...Command can set up for some pretty impressive sequels, but I guess Andross coming back again and shooting him down again makes for much better storytelling.

[Drasiana]

Assault had a more in-depth story than 64 did, that's basically a fact, if you don't think so I'd gladly discuss it.

 

remember that time like ten posts ago where I tried to discuss it with you that ended in you going off on a weird tangent about fara apropos of nothing

 

 I guess Andross coming back again and shooting him down again makes for much better storytelling.

 

literally no one has suggested that Andross returning should be the plot

 

look, I just get my information based on what I've seen throughout the internet, how am I supposed to prove it to you, and why does it matter THAT MUCH?

 

because you won't shut up about it? every single time someone brings up a criticism you start freaking out about how "people" on "other websites" disagree. you have used that in lieu of any actual argument in basically every post you have made

 

literally over half the series is basically dumped down the garbage again, it would be easier to bring up old plotlines

 

what we're saying: a reboot would be beneficial in that we'd have a smoother, more consistent basis for the plot and lore, as well as a chance to give characters like Krystal a more dignified and sensible entrance so they could mesh better into the world and really shine

 

what you're hearing: DURRRR HURRR MURDER KRYSTAL AND SHOVE ALL OF STAR FOX 64 UP MY ASS

 

anyway adventures>command wouldn't cease to exist, you can still play them, and they could easily re-incorporate elements from them into a reboot. it would just be resetting certain things that have mega-ruined the plot as it's progressed, and as I said earlier, these games really didn't add anything significantly positive to the lore or characters. krystal's probably the only one who a reboot would be most notable on and she's the one who needs it the most

 

Command can set up for some pretty impressive sequels, but I guess Andross coming back again and shooting him down again makes for much better storytelling.

 

While the whole Oikonny/Bowman family stuff is one of my favourite Star Fox character things I have to lmao @ this because you're admonishing people for saying Andross should return while proclaiming the glorious originality that is the ending where Dash just becomes Andross 2: Venom Boogaloo

 

the other sequels that Command "set up" were Star Falco, Kursed, Slippy's Endless Dickspawn, Marcus McCloud's Party Hour, and G-Zero Racing. none of these ideas were impressively anything other than terrible

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

 

 

 

 

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VGChartz has the game's total sales worldwide at about 0.84 million, but I'm unsure of whether or not that includes digital sales through the eshop.  Considering that physical copies of SF643D aren't in print anymore and are difficult if not impossible to find in retailers (much to my chagrin), this could conceivably be a contributing factor. 

 

Out of curiosity, what specifically do you dislike about 643D?  I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, but have played the original. 

Oh missed yours. Do you REALLY want to make me relive it?


Well, the audio annoyed me, most of the voices were poorly redone, almost every soundtrack in the entire game sucked, besides Aquas and Zoness, the characters look even uglier than their polygon n64 counterparts, the controls are chalky and slow, the fact that it's a remake of an overrated game, done for the same reasons they did for Zelda OOT3D, to shut the stupid nostalgia fans up. the multiplayer's ok, but nothing compared to Assault, but at least the all-range arwing battle in the multiplayer is almost as good as in Assault, but I was let down that the multiplayer wasn't the same, I unlocked the LandMaster and the even-crappier-than-Assault's-on foot mode. like Assault even if the on foot thing sucks it was still fun. the LandMaster wasn't so great in 64 original though, you can't really drive it like an actual tank.

In general, I strongly prefered the original over the remake by quite a bit, I'll still keep 643D, but I don't play it at all anymore, and even so I still have 64, SNES 1 and 2, and Assault, and I don't play any of them anymore.

 

 

 

remember that time like ten posts ago where I tried to discuss it with you that ended in you going off on a weird tangent about fara apropos of nothing

 

 

literally no one has suggested that Andross returning should be the plot

 

 

because you won't shut up about it? every single time someone brings up a criticism you start freaking out about how "people" on "other websites" disagree. you have used that in lieu of any actual argument in basically every post you have made

 

 

what we're saying: a reboot would be beneficial in that we'd have a smoother, more consistent basis for the plot and lore, as well as a chance to give characters like Krystal a more dignified and sensible entrance so they could mesh better into the world and really shine

 

what you're hearing: DURRRR HURRR MURDER KRYSTAL AND SHOVE ALL OF STAR FOX 64 UP MY ASS

 

anyway adventures>command wouldn't cease to exist, you can still play them, and they could easily re-incorporate elements from them into a reboot. it would just be resetting certain things that have mega-ruined the plot as it's progressed, and as I said earlier, these games really didn't add anything significantly positive to the lore or characters. krystal's probably the only one who a reboot would be most notable on and she's the one who needs it the most

 

 

While the whole Oikonny/Bowman family stuff is one of my favourite Star Fox character things I have to lmao @ this because you're admonishing people for saying Andross should return while proclaiming the glorious originality that is the ending where Dash just becomes Andross 2: Venom Boogaloo

 

the other sequels that Command "set up" were Star Falco, Kursed, Slippy's Endless Dickspawn, Marcus McCloud's Party Hour, and G-Zero Racing. none of these ideas were impressively anything other than terrible

*again, I'm still having issues with this, I just made a comment and I don't want to make it longer*

The idea of a new leader taking charge can really make things interesting, Dash reminds me of Herann Goering and Adolf Hitler; yes I guess the Nazi thing is overrused but so is everything in the StarFox Universe. it can be interesting to see how he'd learn from Andross and start a whole new Lylat War with Corneria. That way the heroes will once again have to go to war with Venom, they could make that like a trilogy, plus, it once again makes team StarWolf enemies, as they'd likely join Dash.

when did I say I liked every ending in Command? I like it better where Krystal resembles herself from Dinosaur Planet, at least part of her background was kept, remember that game was forcibly transformed into Adventures, but the idea of her being the last of her people is interesting, adds to the Jedi-like ambiance she has. sure, Nintendo could bring her in as "a hired mercinery" yeah that's just brilliant isn't it? that's nothing new, Miyu and Fey already did that, getting rid of "the last of her people" idea would be like if George Lucas went back and changed Leia and made it so she wasn't Luke Skywalker's sister, yeah that pretty much drains from a lot of build up in episodes Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi

The idea of the team having fought through the Aparoids, and Corneria put in a state of vulnerability makes it more realistic for Dash to quickly stir up a new empire and sufficiently go to war with them, otherwise it'd just be another Rebellion, oh yeah forgot about that. Oikonny's rebellion further implies unrest years after a war.

all of the political stuff collectively gives good spacing, that way "oh no, a new war spontaniously happened for some reason"

also, I can pretty much say for certain that if there was a reboot, they would only use the characters from 643D, and maybe hash in a few extra characters that are about as interesting as Amanda or whatever from Command...yep. can you prove me wrong? can you prove that you know for sure that if there was a reboot that mentioned characters will for sure return? *which is unfortunately quite likely*

Lastly once again; Miyamoto said that he wasn't as interested in making deep stories as he is making unique and innovational gameplay concepts, so ONCE AGAIN regardless of who's in, and regardless of what the story will be, it'll probably be something stupidly simple, more bad guys fly in to do this and that. I can almost garuntee that the storyline will be about as well thought out and written as Adventures was.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Vydrach
Seriously, mate. Edit button, it goes a long way and not double posting is actually in the rules.

[AlGore'sleftshoe]

remember that time like ten posts ago where I tried to discuss it with you that ended in you going off on a weird tangent about fara apropos of nothing

 

 

literally no one has suggested that Andross returning should be the plot

 

 

because you won't shut up about it? every single time someone brings up a criticism you start freaking out about how "people" on "other websites" disagree. you have used that in lieu of any actual argument in basically every post you have made

 

 

what we're saying: a reboot would be beneficial in that we'd have a smoother, more consistent basis for the plot and lore, as well as a chance to give characters like Krystal a more dignified and sensible entrance so they could mesh better into the world and really shine

 

what you're hearing: DURRRR HURRR MURDER KRYSTAL AND SHOVE ALL OF STAR FOX 64 UP MY ASS

 

anyway adventures>command wouldn't cease to exist, you can still play them, and they could easily re-incorporate elements from them into a reboot. it would just be resetting certain things that have mega-ruined the plot as it's progressed, and as I said earlier, these games really didn't add anything significantly positive to the lore or characters. krystal's probably the only one who a reboot would be most notable on and she's the one who needs it the most

 

 

While the whole Oikonny/Bowman family stuff is one of my favourite Star Fox character things I have to lmao @ this because you're admonishing people for saying Andross should return while proclaiming the glorious originality that is the ending where Dash just becomes Andross 2: Venom Boogaloo

 

the other sequels that Command "set up" were Star Falco, Kursed, Slippy's Endless Dickspawn, Marcus McCloud's Party Hour, and G-Zero Racing. none of these ideas were impressively anything other than terrible

*again, I'm still having issues with this, I just made a comment and I don't want to make it longer*

The idea of a new leader taking charge can really make things interesting, Dash reminds me of Herann Goering and Adolf Hitler; yes I guess the Nazi thing is overrused but so is everything in the StarFox Universe. it can be interesting to see how he'd learn from Andross and start a whole new Lylat War with Corneria. That way the heroes will once again have to go to war with Venom, they could make that like a trilogy, plus, it once again makes team StarWolf enemies, as they'd likely join Dash.

when did I say I liked every ending in Command? I like it better where Krystal resembles herself from Dinosaur Planet, at least part of her background was kept, remember that game was forcibly transformed into Adventures, but the idea of her being the last of her people is interesting, adds to the Jedi-like ambiance she has. sure, Nintendo could bring her in as "a hired mercinery" yeah that's just brilliant isn't it? that's nothing new, Miyu and Fey already did that, getting rid of "the last of her people" idea would be like if George Lucas went back and changed Leia and made it so she wasn't Luke Skywalker's sister, yeah that pretty much drains from a lot of build up in episodes Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi

The idea of the team having fought through the Aparoids, and Corneria put in a state of vulnerability makes it more realistic for Dash to quickly stir up a new empire and sufficiently go to war with them, otherwise it'd just be another Rebellion, oh yeah forgot about that. Oikonny's rebellion further implies unrest years after a war.

all of the political stuff collectively gives good spacing, that way "oh no, a new war spontaniously happened for some reason"

also, I can pretty much say for certain that if there was a reboot, they would only use the characters from 643D, and maybe hash in a few extra characters that are about as interesting as Amanda or whatever from Command...yep. can you prove me wrong? can you prove that you know for sure that if there was a reboot that mentioned characters will for sure return? *which is unfortunately quite likely*

Lastly once again; Miyamoto said that he wasn't as interested in making deep stories as he is making unique and innovational gameplay concepts, so ONCE AGAIN regardless of who's in, and regardless of what the story will be, it'll probably be something stupidly simple, more bad guys fly in to do this and that. I can almost garuntee that the storyline will be about as well thought out and written as Adventures was.

[Joseph.]

You'd be amazed at just how much a little bit of story will go a long way. A prime example would be Dark Souls where 90% of the who/what/when/where/why of the game is given through a few sentences, if that, from NPCs and mostly from a few sentences in item descriptions, but it creates a beautifully intricate and mysterious world that to this day, 4 years after its release, is being hotly contested and new theories are emerging.

 

Personally I'm not really into games that are story based but I was wondering if you or someone else here could explain what a proper/above average story for a Star Fox game would be like. I also want to know the many ways a story can be told in depth since I think of games like Megaman or Banjo Kazooie as well written games Imo. I'm sure there are better written stories for other games but just wondering what makes these story based games so good that they hook the player into it. 

[Xidphel]

can you prove me wrong? can you prove that you know for sure that if there was a reboot that mentioned characters will for sure return?

I think the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side here.

[Xortberg]

No don't worry, Xid, I got this. Ahem.

 

Perhaps 7 out of 10 Star Fox developers or more said that in a reboot the aforementioned characters would return.

 

There's our proof right there.

[StarFoxfan-FUR_ever]

all of the political stuff collectively gives good spacing, that way "oh no, a new war spontaniously happened for some reason"

 

This is the one part of your argument that I have to agree with. It would be nice to know more about why Corneria is at war with Venom instead of just "yeah this guy is "evil" and wants vengeance for being punished due to his dangerous experiments". I would also like more insight into how Corneria goes about making it's military decisions, which would go a long way in giving the players' insight into what kind of government system is in power. But of course, it's just a game about space animals blowing stuff up, so why should I expect this kind of concrete material?

[Pharaoh Shadon]

This is the one part of your argument that I have to agree with. It would be nice to know more about why Corneria is at war with Venom instead of just "yeah this guy is "evil" and wants vengeance for being punished due to his dangerous experiments". I would also like more insight into how Corneria goes about making it's military decisions, which would go a long way in giving the players' insight into what kind of government system is in power. But of course, it's just a game about space animals blowing stuff up, so why should I expect this kind of concrete material?

What more is there to say with the war of Andross? They said it like it is, Andross was doing illegal bio-experiments, he was banished to Venom as punishment, but to the surprise of Corneria, Andross ended up surviving and created his army so Andross went to get revenge by starting the war. Any more would require some kind of past story where maybe you play as James (Which I'm not against BTW, but as it stands, I think it says enough for it to be all good)