If The Homeworld Gems from Steven universe were antagonists in Star fox, would the game be even beatable at all?

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To anyone familliar or caught up with the Cartoon Network show, Steven universe. If the Gem homeworld existed in Star fox as antagonists, would a Star Fox game featuring them even be considered playable or beatable at all? How would lylat be affected by these invaders and would Corneria be able to survive an all out attack by the Gem Homeworld?

 

We also have to take into consideration the fact that the gems are nearly invincible and that their technology is probably the most advanced in all of sci fi (their ships can survive laser blasts perfectly unscathed and they can level enemy fleets in less than a second). Even if you take down the homeworld fleet the first time they'll keep coming back until you finally buckle and they can rip your remaining forces to shreds. Gems kill all and leave no survivors.

We also need to take into consideration their parasitic pseudo-hive mentality. They exhibit some of the symptons of a hive mind such as a blind loyalty to their leader, the diamonds, and the destruction of lifeforms who are not gems along with the conversion of rocky planets into coreless and hollow shells (incapable of supporting life)that they use as colonies as well as their method of reproduction (which requires planting a gem into the crust of selected planet and sucking out it's nutrients while at the same time feeding on the life forces of the native organisms). Sometimes if they fail to conquer a certain planet, before they leave, they impregnate it with living bomb known as a cluster, which when it forms, causes the planet to explode. Usually no one survives a Homeworld invasion. *Cue Cerinia*

They are extremely xenophobic and believe it is their duty to rid the universe of organic life and they are organized into a caste system (which seems more reminiscent to the hierarchy of either an ant colony, beehive, or termite colony) ruled over by Diamonds who use their race merely as tools of conquest and who's only goal is to make gemkind the rulers of all existence. One of them, being a tyrannical and spiteful diamond who mercilessly wishes to destroy all life and planets who dare resist her court regardless of the costs. Star Fox of Corneria being one of her biggest pains in the neck second to the Crystal gems of Earth.

Let's assume this hypothetical game's setting is an alternate version of "Star Fox Assault" with the Homeworld Gems replacing the Aparoids. Would a game similar to Assault be considered beatable or playable if the Homeworld gems were the enemies?

 

Let's assume this hypothetical game's setting is an alternate version of "Star Fox Assault" with the Homeworld Gems replacing the Aparoids. Would a game similar to Assault be considered beatable or playable if the Homeworld gems were the enemies?

 

here are the wiki links regarding the gems to the less knowledgeable:

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Gems

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Gem_Homeworld

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Homeworld_Gems

 

 

 

 

[The VGM Lover]

Well, let's consider this. It took the Aparoids only a few minutes to punch through Cornerian Defenses and begin conquering Corneria. It took Star Fox only at least 15 mins to take it back (Because our allies suck in that game.) It took the Aparoids only a minute on Gold Difficulty to level %20 of the invading Cornerian Army on the Aparoid Homeworld. At this point, I would just consider these, "Gems" to be... What's more valuable than Platinum? Considering the Aparoids' feats, the Gems abilities aren't as far off as it seems (Then again, I've never watched the show, sadly, so what do I know?).

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23 minutes ago, amcintyr9998 said:

Well, let's consider this. It took the Aparoids only a few minutes to punch through Cornerian Defenses and begin conquering Corneria. It took Star Fox only at least 15 mins to take it back (Because our allies suck in that game.) It took the Aparoids only a minute on Gold Difficulty to level %20 of the invading Cornerian Army on the Aparoid Homeworld. At this point, I would just consider these, "Gems" to be... What's more valuable than Platinum? Considering the Aparoids' feats, the Gems abilities aren't as far off as it seems (Then again, I've never watched the show, sadly, so what do I know?).

Diamond difficulty, more valuable than platinum and also a reference to the highest and possibly the most tyrannical caste of gem society.

also i posted some wiki links above

[The VGM Lover]

Thanks! But now, I realize, we don't even know the technological power of our own ships! All we know is that one shot is all it ever takes for one warship to destroy the other, and vice versa. It also takes only one smart bomb to destroy a destroyer-class vessel, but here's the problem. That's against something only in their universe. We simply can't know what these ships are truly capable of until we've put 'em up against things not of their world.

But if I could have fun with this, imagine if it only took one shot from our warships to destroy one of their's?

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15 minutes ago, amcintyr9998 said:

Thanks! But now, I realize, we don't even know the technological power of our own ships! All we know is that one shot is all it ever takes for one warship to destroy the other, and vice versa. It also takes only one smart bomb to destroy a destroyer-class vessel, but here's the problem. That's against something only in their universe. We simply can't know what these ships are truly capable of until we've put 'em up against things not of their world.

But if I could have fun with this, imagine if it only took one shot from our warships to destroy one of their's?

but were talking about gems, a xenophobic and overpowered race of magic space rocks not humans.

and for the case of Homeworld vs Star Fox/Corneria, no plot armor for Lylat in this one.

[The VGM Lover]

Just now, 14432 said:

but were talking about gems, a xenophobic and overpowered race of magic space rocks not humans.

Ok, so no fun, then.

The creatures of Lylat aren't technically humans either. They're anthropomorphic animals. When you put it in that context, what's there to really believe to be true at all?

But throwing beliefs aside, I can't be the one to judge these things, even after reading those articles, cuz I haven't seen the show, yet. It's best I stop now, and let the true experts take over.

[14432]

Just now, That Ain't Falco said:

Red, he's a guy who likes crossovers and "what if" situations. How about you chill out.

i am officially offended now Red.

[That Ain't Falco]

Well, Homeworld Gems have an issue in that they're extremely limited in the ways they believe they can do things, as demonstrated by Peridot's chat with Yellow Diamond. Corneria has also shown its love for teleportation, planet obliterating missiles, and giant fucking lasers. The Gems have shown their own weapons to consist of... Extremely dense rock? Cluster that takes thousands of years to form? Hand spaceship?????

 

Not to mention that outside of Jaspers and the odd Qartzish thing, Gems aren't huge on defenses, and their bodies not only can't make any real attempt to repair themselves, but are destroyed basically immediately upon any skin-breaking wound that hits in basically any vital point of their physical form. Clearly them being made of light hasn't made the immune to laser weapons, so really, just shoot them. Given we're also going Assault era, and Assault's Cornerian soldiers are not only heavily resistant to damage due to body armor, but they've got incredible aim and don't have to worry about reloading their weapons. When presented with this problem, given the weak problem solving skills of the Homeworld Gems, they'd either leave or keep fighting until someone died, probably the gems, in this case.

 

"But what if they reform?"

Well, that takes a while, and I have no doubt that Corneria is more than capable of smashing a few rocks. Diamonds would have to be contained, but they're leaders, not warriors, and would likely never see battle.

 

Corneria: 1

Homeworld: 0

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6 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

Well, Homeworld Gems have an issue in that they're extremely limited in the ways they believe they can do things, as demonstrated by Peridot's chat with Yellow Diamond. Corneria has also shown its love for teleportation, planet obliterating missiles, and giant fucking lasers. The Gems have shown their own weapons to consist of... Extremely dense rock? Cluster that takes thousands of years to form? Hand spaceship?????

 

Not to mention that outside of Jaspers and the odd Qartzish thing, Gems aren't huge on defenses, and their bodies not only can't make any real attempt to repair themselves, but are destroyed basically immediately upon any skin-breaking wound that hits in basically any vital point of their physical form. Clearly them being made of light hasn't made the immune to laser weapons, so really, just shoot them. Given we're also going Assault era, and Assault's Cornerian soldiers are not only heavily resistant to damage due to body armor, but they've got incredible aim and don't have to worry about reloading their weapons. When presented with this problem, given the weak problem solving skills of the Homeworld Gems, they'd either leave or keep fighting until someone died, probably the gems, in this case.

 

"But what if they reform?"

Well, that takes a while, and I have no doubt that Corneria is more than capable of smashing a few rocks. Diamonds would have to be contained, but they're leaders, not warriors, and would likely never see battle.

 

Corneria: 1

Homeworld: 0

hmm, also assuming that Steven and the Crystal gems allied with Corneria and StarFox, how would that go out?

also the hand spaceship managed to survive getting hit by a trio of laser cannons in one episode. And due to it's design it can be used to manually tear spaceships to pieces

how would the Diamonds function during diplomatic negotiations? would they comply or would they just shoot General pepper or a ambassador in the face?

[That Ain't Falco]

44 minutes ago, 14432 said:

hmm, also assuming that Steven and the Crystal gems allied with Corneria and StarFox, how would that go out?

also the hand spaceship managed to survive getting hit by a trio of laser cannons in one episode. And due to it's design it can be used to manually tear spaceships to pieces

how would the Diamonds function during diplomatic negotiations? would they comply or would they just shoot General pepper or a ambassador in the face?

Diamonds have zero diplomatic skill. They also basically refuse to acknowledge defeat. Oh, and also, explosives. For when lasers aren't enough.

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22 minutes ago, That Ain't Falco said:

Diamonds have zero diplomatic skill. They also basically refuse to acknowledge defeat. Oh, and also, explosives. For when lasers aren't enough.

so basically they try to shoot any diplomat/ambassador from the enemy nation in the face. Star Fox included if they even get close enough to them.

For Sauria's situation im pretty sure homeworld would try and conquer that planet instead since it is weaker than Corneria.

also tell red to stop look at what he posted on this thread

[That Ain't Falco]

11 hours ago, 14432 said:

so basically they try to shoot any diplomat/ambassador from the enemy nation in the face. Star Fox included if they even get close enough to them.

For Sauria's situation im pretty sure homeworld would try and conquer that planet instead since it is weaker than Corneria.

also tell red to stop look at what he posted on this thread

Problem: After the events of Adventures and Assault, Sauria wound up getting pretty heavily protected, though due to its magical properties, the Gems would likely find it desirable as an incubator planet. However, Sauria is also pretty out of the way, and depending on where it was in its orbit, there is the potential of having to pass by the rest of Lylat to get there.

[SF Redd]

Do we even have any comparable feats for these guys? Sure, they may be able to wipe out a fleet fast, but that doesn't matter if their weapons aren't strong enough. Same with Them being able to absorb the lasers. It's not impressive if the lasers aren't that strong.

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8 hours ago, That Ain't Falco said:

Problem: After the events of Adventures and Assault, Sauria wound up getting pretty heavily protected, though due to its magical properties, the Gems would likely find it desirable as an incubator planet. However, Sauria is also pretty out of the way, and depending on where it was in its orbit, there is the potential of having to pass by the rest of Lylat to get there.

And i guess thats how a war between homeworld and lylat would start: Homeworld invading Sauria, the weakest planet in Lylat, while punching through whatever ship or station patrolling sauria.

 

im pretty sure they would either ignore the saurians or begin wiping them out along with removing or destroying the spellstones out of stupidty since they won't be aware that removing the spellstones would cause the planet to break and explode. I guess planting a kindergarten on Sauria would achieve a similar effect.

 

This is also an alternate timeline where the homeworld has already colonized and destroyed Cerinia. Krystal beign the only known person to escape Homeworld's wrath.

1 hour ago, SF Alba said:

Do we even have any comparable feats for these guys? Sure, they may be able to wipe out a fleet fast, but that doesn't matter if their weapons aren't strong enough. Same with Them being able to absorb the lasers. It's not impressive if the lasers aren't that strong.

They conquered an entire galaxy and possible half the universe during their existence. their resources are infinite, and they have trillions upon trillions of replaceable gems at their disposal.

Do you think a Star Fox game can be beatable with that kind of enemy if no plot armor or plot conveniences were exploited?

[SF Redd]

5 minutes ago, 14432 said:

This is also an alternate timeline where the homeworld has already colonized and destroyed Cerinia. Krystal beign the only known person to escape Homeworld's wrath.

They conquered an entire galaxy and possible half the universe during their existence

But that isn't a feat in and of itself. Sure, it's a lot of stuff, but for all we know, their adversaries might've been really weak. You need to give us something that demonstrates how powerful their weaponry is.

For example, the Romans conquered most of the known world during their time, but that doesn't mean that they'd beat modern Germany in a war, who has much better equipment.

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1 hour ago, SF Alba said:

But that isn't a feat in and of itself. Sure, it's a lot of stuff, but for all we know, their adversaries might've been really weak. You need to give us something that demonstrates how powerful their weaponry is.

For example, the Romans conquered most of the known world during their time, but that doesn't mean that they'd beat modern Germany in a war, who has much better equipment.

lylat is only a speck compared to their empire. Homeworld's been around since the beginning of time so im sure they would be more advanced. It's implied that their arsenal consists primarilly of planet or systemd estroying superweapons and the cluster is one of them

The outcome would be either for them to continue pounding lylat till it breaks or designate lylat as an abaondoend gem colony like Earth and have it used as a test site for superweapons.

Heck, would they even need the the help of Steven and the Crystal gems?

[SF Redd]

1 minute ago, 14432 said:

lylat is only a speck compared to their empire. Homeworld's been around since the beginning of time so im sure they would be more advanced.

Heck, would they even need the the help of Steven and the Crystal gems?

You can't just say they're more advanced with no evidence or feats to back up their power, so I'll say Corneria easily wins, for now.

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1 minute ago, SF Alba said:

You can't just say they're more advanced with no evidence or feats to back up their power, so I'll say Corneria easily wins, for now.

Corneria and if not the lylat system/galaxy would be considered an abandoned colony not free space. Much like Earth, lylat will become a testing ground for homeworld superweapons and other seemingly inhumane gem experiments such as the Cluster and the mini-clusters.  Much like Earth, Yellow Diamond would describe Corneria as a "Hideous rock" and would do any attempt to remove or destroy lylat from the star charts. She would express a similar amount of hatred toward the cornerians/saurians much like how she hated the crystal gems and earth's native liforms.

If Corneria and star fox keeps destroying the weapons and experiments being tested in lylat, they will prompt a second more powerful invasion.

[SF Redd]

1 minute ago, 14432 said:

Corneria and if not the lylat system/galaxy would be considered an abandoned colony not free space. Much like Earth, lylat will become a testing ground for homeworld superweapons and other seemingly inhumane gem experiments such as the Cluster and the mini-clusters.  Much like Earth, Yellow Diamond would describe Corneria as a "Hideous rock" and would do any attempt to remove or destroy lylat from the star charts. She would express a similar amount of hatred toward the cornerians/saurians much like how she hated the crystal gems and earth's native liforms.

If Corneria and star fox keeps destroying the weapons and experiments being tested in lylat, they will prompt a second more powerful invasion.

There's nothing to say that they would be able to do that. Corneria isn't nearly as primitive as Earth is and teh Star Fox series has some of the most advanced tech in fiction.

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7 minutes ago, SF Alba said:

There's nothing to say that they would be able to do that. Corneria isn't nearly as primitive as Earth is and teh Star Fox series has some of the most advanced tech in fiction.

not as advanced as homeworld

[The VGM Lover]

Just thought of somethin'. What if we consider the time to which these two franchises exist? What if Lylat's current state existed before Earth even formed?

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7 minutes ago, amcintyr9998 said:

Just thought of somethin'. What if we consider the time to which these two franchises exist? What if Lylat's current state existed before Earth even formed?

or how about a timeline where lylat exists in the present day of steven universe with Corneria going to earth after their gem invasion replacing command.

[The VGM Lover]

3 hours ago, 14432 said:

or how about a timeline where lylat exists in the present day of steven universe with Corneria going to earth after their gem invasion replacing command.

Do you actually want the Gems to take over Lylat with just a snap of their finger??? And then our system!?

The only possible way these guys can take out a fleet in less than a second is if they had a gun that can create a destructive shock wave big enough, and fast enough to envelop these ships in that amount of time! Do they actually have one, yet?

Edited June 10, 2016 by amcintyr9998
Shoulda added more...

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8 hours ago, amcintyr9998 said:

Do you actually want the Gems to take over Lylat with just a snap of their finger??? And then our system!?

The only possible way these guys can take out a fleet in less than a second is if they had a gun that can create a destructive shock wave big enough, and fast enough to envelop these ships in that amount of time! Do they actually have one, yet?

They conquered half the universe and they lack any form of morality whatsover so they would have built and perfected such a weapon or weapons worse than it since they were already advanced from the very start.

 

Earth also has the crystal gems and steven to defend them.

 

Also I wouldn't call a war with corneria and homeworld a "war". More an attempt at extermination than a true war since the gems leave no survivors and will not stop untill lylat is devoid of any organic life. This quote best describes the homeworld gems' view of organic life:

"A superior being such as myself has only one option: Burn them."

Here is another quote that best describes their determination in doing so: 

"I don't care about potential and resources. I want my cluster, and I want that planet to die."

[Steve]

I have cleaned the topic a bit to remove any previous trolling attempt or discussions about it.

14432, please continue your topic