14432 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Imagine an alternate universe where, even though the aparoids have been defeated, all 5 members of the Star Fox team and all 3 members of Star Wolf are the only surviving members of the Cornerian/Cerinian race as lylat was completely assimilated and obliterated when the hive was destroyed. . . Basically they won but everyone except for them has all died and their home got destroyed. What next? where do they go? will other civilizations take them in? How would they view themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ori Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 This is kinda a no-brainer; 7 individuals, are far too few to sustain a viable civilization. Since there was no evidence of other civilization (or at least, any other that could properly save their species from going extinct, somehow), it's unlikely any help would come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Orbi said: This is kinda a no-brainer; 7 individuals, are far too few to sustain a viable civilization. Since there was no evidence of other civilization (or at least, any other that could properly save their species from going extinct, somehow), it's unlikely any help would come. I wished the series ended like that so it didn't have to suffer through command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ori Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Command has been disregarded as canonical due to its multiple ending format as well as poor writing. It bears no weight on the series anymore as SFZ has taken the series back to some reinterpretation of the events that would have taken place in SF64. Retcon is one hell of a drug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, Orbi said: Command has been disregarded as canonical due to its multiple ending format as well as poor writing. It bears no weight on the series anymore as SFZ has taken the series back to some reinterpretation of the events that would have taken place in SF64. Retcon is one hell of a drug. i wished assault ended with a downer phyrric victory. Assault should have ended with a hopeless situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArwingFan Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Then Andross, who's true body hasn't been destroyed, and his followers who's been hiding out in a secret base in Venom inherit the Lylat system after his bioweapon successfully eradicated almost everyone in it. /headcanon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 8 hours ago, ArwingFan said: Then Andross, who's true body hasn't been destroyed, and his followers who's been hiding out in a secret base in Venom inherit the Lylat system after his bioweapon successfully eradicated almost everyone in it. /headcanon assuming the entire lylat including venom was assimilated and obliterated, andross included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArwingFan Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 4 hours ago, 14432 said: assuming the entire lylat including venom was assimilated and obliterated, andross included Okay then, in that case a following game would probably be about the group searching for civilization outside of Lylat then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 hour ago, ArwingFan said: Okay then, in that case a following game would probably be about the group searching for civilization outside of Lylat then. if anyone out there willing to take in the "space anthros" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Wew lad get your fuckin grimdark out of my Starfox why the fuck do people want things like this in Starfox? Go play Mass Effect 3 and talk sass to the Starchild or something instead. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusakov Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 51 minutes ago, Robert Monroe said: Wew lad get your fuckin grimdark out of my Starfox why the fuck do people want things like this in Starfox? Go play Mass Effect 3 and talk sass to the Starchild or something instead. My thoughts exactly. It's a video game about anthro animals fighting bad guys and doing barrel rolls. Not everything should be dark and gloomy, have some fun for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Rusakov said: My thoughts exactly. It's a video game about anthro animals fighting bad guys and doing barrel rolls. Not everything should be dark and gloomy, have some fun for a change! the series is so bad at storytelling and fleshing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The series isn't about deep and thought-provoking stories. It's about furries blowing shit up in space and on cool exotic planets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Xortberg said: The series isn't about deep and thought-provoking stories. It's about furries blowing shit up in space and on cool exotic planets. war ain't always black and white ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ori Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 And not every game is about thought provoking narratives, you know. SF isn't one of them. Whatever way you look at it, StarFox as-is just has no room for a story centered on moral dilemmas. It's a cartoon-esque space shooter; take it or leave it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 35 minutes ago, 14432 said: war ain't always black and white ya know Really? I had no idea that killing large numbers of living things because they're in the way of your goals is historically a morally-grey-at-best act. Thank you for enlightening me to this fact. If not for you, this cartoonish sci-fi video game with talking animals might have interfered too much with my ability to separate fiction from reality and I might have spent my entire life thinking it's okay to kill people who are in my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusakov Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Xortberg said: The series isn't about deep and thought-provoking stories. It's about furries blowing shit up in space and on cool exotic planets. Exactly! SF is like a Michael Bay film. The story might not be good, but if you love action and explosions then it's great. If your opinion is different, that's fine, but if you don't like it then just don't play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Xortberg said: Really? I had no idea that killing large numbers of living things because they're in the way of your goals is historically a morally-grey-at-best act. Thank you for enlightening me to this fact. If not for you, this cartoonish sci-fi video game with talking animals might have interfered too much with my ability to separate fiction from reality and I might have spent my entire life thinking it's okay to kill people who are in my way. when those living things happened to be civillians on the enemy side who had no business in this war but got caught in the crossfire. Imagine a scenario in which you are shooting down what appear to be unarmed warships and then later on you discover that those ships were carrying refugees. . . Cartoonish? so that means corneria can have literal space battleships in their navy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xortberg Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I have imagined such a scenario. After all, you've been making topic after topic pushing for such scenarios to be put into Star Fox. It'd be a bit hard for me not to. After imagining such a scenario I have decided it doesn't at all fit with the established tone of Star Fox nor is it appropriate for the target audience (most games being rated E, T being the highest and only barely earning that rating) and so I don't want to see it in Star Fox ever. Some show/game/movie/book/(insert entertainment medium here) series just don't mesh with certain styles of storytelling. Nobody's going to say Game of Thrones should be made into a kid's show about fantastical adventures with a bunch of friendly dragons, because that would be ridiculous. Nobody's going to say Dora the Explorer should emulate Indiana Jones, because that would be ridiculous. Star Fox should not be some grimdark deconstruction of war in media because that's not what Star Fox is. Star Fox is a goofy cartoonish space shooting game where you play heroes who save the day from the bad guys. The most moral ambiguity we need is Star Wolf being anti-heroes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusakov Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, 14432 said: when those living things happened to be civillians on the enemy side who had no business in this war but got caught in the crossfire. Imagine a scenario in which you are shooting down what appear to be unarmed warships and then later on you discover that those ships were carrying refugees. . . Cartoonish? so that means corneria can have literal space battleships in their navy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 5 hours ago, 14432 said: war ain't always black and white ya know Lemme quote myself from another thread... War never changes but presentation and interpretation of it certainly does. Starfox presents its violence in a soft handed, heroic fashion. Its good vs evil, like Star Wars. Like Xort said, just like one wouldn't "kid safe" Game of Thrones, tossing needless moral baggage onto Starfox would cause needless grimdark bloat. I'm all for moral greyness in Starfox, too - Command poked at Andross a little bit and Assault showed that Starwolf aren't just literal scum of the earth. Giving depth is always a good thing, but stacking grimdark onto something blindly is NOT depth - its frustrating and stupid. Starfox can develop plenty of depth while still maintaining its heroic space opera style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Also Corneria DOES have literal space battleships, Starfox borrows so many pages from 1980s space anime it isn't even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unoservix Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 maybe Star Fox is just not for you, 14432 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14432 Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 4 hours ago, Robert Monroe said: Also Corneria DOES have literal space battleships, Starfox borrows so many pages from 1980s space anime it isn't even funny. space battleships as in spaceships either built in the configuration of a naval batleship or otherwise converted from an ancient naval battleship 5 hours ago, Robert Monroe said: Lemme quote myself from another thread... War never changes but presentation and interpretation of it certainly does. Starfox presents its violence in a soft handed, heroic fashion. Its good vs evil, like Star Wars. Like Xort said, just like one wouldn't "kid safe" Game of Thrones, tossing needless moral baggage onto Starfox would cause needless grimdark bloat. I'm all for moral greyness in Starfox, too - Command poked at Andross a little bit and Assault showed that Starwolf aren't just literal scum of the earth. Giving depth is always a good thing, but stacking grimdark onto something blindly is NOT depth - its frustrating and stupid. Starfox can develop plenty of depth while still maintaining its heroic space opera style. that depends on how the person handles the grimdark content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Orange Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Posting in epic bread before the lock. 18 hours ago, 14432 said: that depends on how the person handles the grimdark content. Not with Starfox. Or really any kid safe game for that matter. I mean you could mix Happy Space Furries with space ships and include moral ambiguity and a dark story that rivals a Band Of Brothers episode. You could also in your own kitchen mix potatoes, limes, and rat poison but that doesn't mean you fucking should. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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