AAAA Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Lag seems to be a issue here for me, just wondered if anyone else is noticeing it. I am on a few sites that run off SMF and i have to say they load like 3 times faster then SFO but that being said i also have recently noticed that SMF is haveing alot of trouble on all smf sites with error messages and lag. I have had lag on another site on smf but not constantly as i have on this one I tried FF and IE and it is useable on IE with my acclerator turned up but sometimes it takes a few minutes to load a topic thats just wrong. XD so any ideas or anyone else haveing this lag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 yeah, that's a common problem, I do get lag sometimes around the morning ; I'm guessing the server is busy at that time or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I am getting a lot of lag too, but I blame the 17 pages in the Off topic lodge and other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 There are some things that need to be understood about our hosting situation: SFO is on a shared server group. Basically, the servers that SFO uses are also used by other sites. Most likely the strain is on the database servers. We're using stock scripts for the most part, so I do not think it is anything to do with our stuff. It is likely that another site on the server is using some inefficient scripts. I would LOVE to put SFO on a dedicated server that I can have full access to, but that costs money that neither I nor Dwight have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAA Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 Understood, But exactly how much would it take to do that and we/you XD could set up a paypale account for the forum like they do on KLA take donations from us and have it dedicated with extras to update with stuff like that. I am sure everyone or well atleast enough to count would pitch in something, Just a thought though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Well, we are paying approximately $7 a month (split between DZ and myself) and that's already been paid for for at least another year (two years in advance). That's pretty good for shared hosting. A dedicated server is going to be AT LEAST $70 per month. That's ten times the price for a BAD dedicated server. It easily reaches into the hundreds of dollars amount when you start getting good systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeWalker Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 If nothing else, it's good to know I'm not the only one with the problem. Pages have been taking upwards of a minute to load for the last month or so, not to mention that seems to screw with my cookies somewhat. Oh well, at least it's easy to accept now that I understand the reason behind it. It's only this site for me, anyway. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 If nothing else, it's good to know I'm not the only one with the problem. Pages have been taking upwards of a minute to load for the last month or so, not to mention that seems to screw with my cookies somewhat. Oh well, at least it's easy to accept now that I understand the reason behind it. It's only this site for me, anyway. Unless you're on dial-up or you're loading a page with a lot of image, you should never have to wait more than a minute for ANY webpage. If things are lagging, simply hit the reload button while still loading. It should take what it already has and get the rest faster. That, and it would be helpful if you downloaded a less bloated browser TakeWalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-eyed Vulpine Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 It lags for me too, but the range of waiting is from about 1-30 seconds. I'm not worried about it too much, though, since I'm usually multitasking on other things while I post, so it's hardly noticeable anyway. And I agree that it's not worth ten times the price for a quicker load time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 For a year, it would cost $1631.64 US in total through GoDaddy for a dedicated server. I could buy my own decent web server for that price. Of course I'd have to throw in about $60/Month for a static IP connection with allowed servers from the telco. It may be worth getting GoDaddy to look into this issue, though. It has been getting worse lately. Dwight, I think you're gonna have to do that, though. Last time I called GoDaddy's support for Corneria Sound they wanted the last 4 digits of the credit card used to buy the plan for verification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 For a year, it would cost $1631.64 US in total through GoDaddy for a dedicated server. I could buy my own decent web server for that price. Of course I'd have to throw in about $60/Month for a static IP connection with allowed servers from the telco. It may be worth getting GoDaddy to look into this issue, though. It has been getting worse lately. Dwight, I think you're gonna have to do that, though. Last time I called GoDaddy's support for Corneria Sound they wanted the last 4 digits of the credit card used to buy the plan for verification. Alright, probably on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner/Technical Admin Sideways Posted February 28, 2007 Owner/Technical Admin Share Posted February 28, 2007 Perhaps you should look into some sort of Donations so that maybe you could afford a new server or something. (A server all to ourselves would do nicely.) ( I have a small hosting account with a friend of mine, though it is prone sometimes to being down. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 The problem with a dedicated solution, is that that is a yearly price. It would be $1600+ a year to keep the dedicated server running at GoDaddy's location. That would mean a yearly fundraiser, which would likely not make the $1600. The only way to supplement that without breaking my budget or Dwight's budget is to get some ad revenue in there, and I DO NOT want to do that to you guys. I hate ads myself. Of course, if I bought my own server it would only be one big cost period. $60/month for telco bandwidth is manageable. Only problem is I am likely to be moving several times in the next three to four years and will not be able to keep the server up during the move, and there's a chance I could end up in a place where running a server is not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 I called GoDaddy about our lag issues. They couldn't replicate the slowdown I was describing. I told them I would test it later that evening. I did. This is data I collected testing the lagginess of our site in various ways. This is in the context of the Firefox browser with the cache removed before tests. Testing Forum Lag 5:25 to 5:50 PM Friday, March 2, 2007 ---------------------------- Loading the forum home page (forums.starfox-online.net) from no cache: showed no signs of finishing after 2 minutes. Stopped. Reloading the forum home page after stopping the previous attempt: Fully loaded in 25 seconds. Clicked on a sub-category forum: showed no signs of even starting to load after 2 minutes. Stopped. Clicking again on the same sub-category forum: fully loaded the page after 36 seconds. Clicked on a forum topic: Showed no signs of even starting to load after 2 minutes. Stopped. Clicking again on the same forum topic: fully loaded the page after 49 seconds. Clicked on a user page: fully loaded in less than 1 second. Clicked on the search page: fully loaded in about 7 seconds. Clicked on the forum home page again: page loaded in less than 3 seconds. * Cleared cache, closed window. * Loading forum home page again from no cache: page fully loaded in only 35 seconds. * Cleared cache, closed window. * Loading forum home page again from no cache: page fully loaded in only 20 seconds. * Cleared cache, closed window. * Loading the forum topic from above with no cache: page fully loaded in 56 seconds. * Reloaded same page several times WITH cache. First 4 or 5 attempts resulted in a quick reload, since most of the information was in the cache. * Reloaded a page that is fully in cache: showed no signs of even starting to load after 2 minutes. Stopped. ---------------------------- Analysis: Any time I mention that the page showed no signs of beginning to load, my web browser was receiving no data whatsoever. Caching helped speed load times, but don't explain why sometimes (apparently at random) the server simply doesn't respond. There is also no explanation for why these lag issues have been particularly bad recently. We haven't made any functional changes our forum software or server settings recently. **************************** **************************** **************************** Testing Main Site Lag 6:00 to 6:20 PM, Friday, March 2, 2007 ---------------------------- Loaded home page (starfox-online.net) from no cache: page loaded fully within 20 seconds. * Cleared cache, closed window. * Loaded home page again from no cache: page appeared to get some data, but never actually displayed anything or finished loading after 2 minutes. Stopped. * Cleared cache, closed window. * Loaded home page again from no cache: page loaded fully within 20 seconds. Clicked on Media/Music link WITH cache: page showed no signs of even beginning to load after 2 minutes. Stopped. Clicked link again: page loaded fully in less than 1 second. Clicked on the Star Fox Assault Music page: page loaded in less than 2 seconds. Clicked on one of the audio files: file showed no signs of beginning to load after 2 minutes. Stopped. Clicked on the audio file again: audio began playing within 5 seconds. ---------------------------- Analysis: Once again, webpages appear to pick and choose when they will be completely unresponsive. I was surprised that the first time I tried an audio link, it lagged indefinitely. This means that the database server may not be the only possible slowdown point, sense those files are stored here, on the GoDaddy server and are direct URLs. Regardless, whether the page is cached or not makes no difference, the pages may randomly lag indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeWalker Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 I've discovered that if I only try and load one page/reply to one post at a time, the lag isn't that bad. The pages still don't load as fast as the rest of the internet, but it's not as bad as doing things otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Still, the lag shouldn't be this bad. Previously, I would run through and open (with tabs) all the unread topics at once, and it was fine. Now that's virtually impossible. I have to reload at least 2 each time. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it. I called GoDaddy again with the tests. They checked the host server and the database server. Accordng to them, nothing is wrong with either. They also said they have had zero complaints about lag. Any lag on our virtual server "would cause thousands of sites to lag." So short of switching hosts, we'll have to live with the lag for a while. When it comes time to renew our hosting, I say we switch to Dreamhost. For $2.50 more per month, we'd get twice the bandwidth and space (both of which increment weekly) and we'd be able to install ANYTHING with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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