Kal Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 As told through my rose-colored glasses. As I'm sure many of you don't know, Wheaman over at DeviantArt is hosting an OC battle tournament. The rules? Depict your original character (OC) beating the living feces out of your opponent. You have one week to turn in your entry else you FORFEIT. For those of you wondering, yes, this has been what I've been working on lately. I put Raj in the fray, mainly cause he's the only person I have refs for. () The RPs will have to wait, methinks, for I am a very slow worker and MIT keeps me busy. =( Anways, the point of this topic is to chronicle the progress made by me and my good friend Koze in this tournament. I'll be posting my drawings for it in this topic, along with links to my opponent's. Round 1: Raj vs. Zeldrak. Winner: Raj My Battle: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49942617/ Opponent's: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49919011/ Notes: It's an introductory round, so to speak; no one really knows how the judges will vote until it's too late. This is my very first comic (not counting a certain birthday pic, cause I really don't), and...well, it shows. A whole mess of things went horribly wrong at the last second. For reasons best left unspoken, I had to scan the pic as a B&W. To all you artists, remember: this is BAD. I also did what I normally do for this; that is, I put most of it off at the last second. XD The lines were finished a full twenty minutes before the deadline, and the "colors" were hastily slapped on using Microsoft's "excellent" image editor. It shows; this is probably one of the worst drawings I've ever done, yet I won somehow. I only hope I don't do this crappily for the next round. Round 2: Raj vs. Neolithe Winner: Neolithe My entry: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50595873/ Opponent's: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50585325/ Notes: At the time of this posting, there's no decision. Psycho Incarnate, despite being a total jackass IRL, has undeniably better skill; aesthetic-wise, the only thing I have over him is penmanship (surprisingly, I know). I was aiming more for the brutality and creativity in this fight, though it's an astounding improvement on last week's entry. If I have a shot, it's because all Neolithe does to Raj is stab him in the end; hell, he even had Raj kicking total zombie/spirit ass for most of it. =D I'm...nervous, to say the least; this one could go either way, since it's not graded (AFAIK) on quality of the art. Well, no point in worrying about it, it's done, it's over for now, and I'm actually proud of this one. Well, Neo won, so Raj is out. Oh well, I've still got a grudge match planned against Koze's Umi, so he's not quite done yet. Raj could not be reached for comment and is busy throwing office furniture around his trailer. Grudge Match 1: Raj vs. Umi Coming soon! I'd also like to point out that this topic isn't just to show off. I want critiques on these. Even if I didn't rush the first round, for instance, I still had some problems in the posing, anatomy, and perhaps the pacing of my comics. I'd like some help with that, please. Oh yeah, and after the tourney this'll just end up another "Hey, check out my art!" thread. And the rules don't change then. Critique away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Quickly, Whirlpool make a flash of Kal and Revin cheer leading Raj to victory! Good luck man, beat them all. now I wish I entered the OC battle...lol who thinks they can destroy the Frill Nations pride and joy, the Frill Heavy Tank?...lolololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Quickly, Whirlpool make a flash of Kal and Revin cheer leading Raj to victory! Good luck man, beat them all. now I wish I entered the OC battle...lol who thinks they can destroy the Frill Nations pride and joy, the Frill Heavy Tank?...lolololol now I wish I entered the OC battle...lol who thinks they can destroy the Frill Nations pride and joy, the Frill Heavy Tank?...lolololol Me? Pish....you hate me too much, won't be a challenge, ether of you, Liacs and Kal are too good for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Lilacs: I think the contest is more about how creative you are at killing than you are at drawing it. Entering a tank? Prolly not such a good idea. =P Me? Pish....you hate me too much, won't be a challenge, ether of you, Liacs and Kal are too good for me.... ...Nathan, I hope you realize how really damn arrogant that sounded. Please don't troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Lilacs: I think the contest is more about how creative you are at killing than you are at drawing it. Entering a tank? Prolly not such a good idea. =P Why not, with a tank you can blow peoples heads off, run over forest critters, everything! lol I quoted my self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Lilacs: I think the contest is more about how creative you are at killing than you are at drawing it. Entering a tank? Prolly not such a good idea. =P ...Nathan, I hope you realize how really damn arrogant that sounded. Please don't troll. Then don't troll me on Windows live MSN Messenger... Just because DZ, XG Fox, and the others don't control that program and just this doesn't mean anything.... Controling Yourself = Thats good.... Contrling others = Thats Trolling, Controling... What I did was comment, not control or troll anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 You said, and I quote, "Psh, you hate me too much, won't be a challenge, either of you." The only reason I can think of for telling me that is because you want to start something. That's trolling. Telling you to stop isn't. And I don't troll you on messenger. You IMed me and said, "Post in the RPGs or I'll mess them up," and that I was a chicken for not responding to you. That's trolling. Telling you I've got a shitload of work I'd rather do first because I have to ain't. If you're only going to try to start something, I'm going to ask you not to post here. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 You said, and I quote, "Psh, you hate me too much, won't be a challenge, either of you." The only reason I can think of for telling me that is because you want to start something. That's trolling. Telling you to stop isn't. And I don't troll you on messenger. You IMed me and said, "Post in the RPGs or I'll mess them up," and that I was a chicken for not responding to you. That's trolling. Telling you I've got a shitload of work I'd rather do first because I have to ain't. If you're only going to try to start something, I'm going to ask you not to post here. Please. Oh I forgot.....Windows Live MSN Messenger is private stuff...like PMing here....Sorry can you forgive me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whirlpool Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Quickly, Whirlpool make a flash of Kal and Revin cheer leading Raj to victory! Noooooo! Not another one! XD Sorry to disappoint ya Lilacs, but I have hands full for Flash at the moment (Trying to animate two characters, over 25 parts each is NOT going to be fun. Why do I always have to make things complicated for myself, why? T-T) But I'll probably give up on that one and make a new reeeeaaaaally simple one. But that's still something I'd be busy with. That, and Kal hasn't gotten Revin's reference sheet up yet! >.< Getting back to the point...... I can't help but laugh at the idea of Raj sitting there, limbless and at gunpoint. It just seems so physically impossible. XD And I loved the 'candy man' line. That was great. Raj......As a candy man.....Hehehehe........ And I just want to note that Raj's neck looks kinda like a candy cane in the 7th panel, right before he is called the candy man. I still had some problems in the posing, anatomy, and perhaps the pacing of my comics. I'd like some help with that, please. Do I see an excuse to draw a Raj Poses sheet? *shot* Okay, maybe not that......Even though I'm prolly gonna end up doing one anyway XD Gah, anatomy and proportions. I still have a hard time getting those right. Tricky little b*****ds, they are. If you want, I can nitpick and point out all the little things to change to make it better. But the posing looks pretty good, and I think the pacing was just fine. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Noooooo! Not another one! XD Sorry to disappoint ya Lilacs, but I have hands full for Flash at the moment (Trying to animate two characters, over 25 parts each is NOT going to be fun. Why do I always have to make things complicated for myself, why? T-T) But I'll probably give up on that one and make a new reeeeaaaaally simple one. But that's still something I'd be busy with. That, and Kal hasn't gotten Revin's reference sheet up yet! >.< It's ok, I could do up a never ending Gif animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 Trep: Yes! Yes! Nitpicking is EXACTLY what I want! I'm all ears! Guys...don't start the celebration just yet. Round two starts immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilacs Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whirlpool Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 'Kay then. In the 3rd, and 9th panels, Raj's upper body looks.... unfinished. Like it's not the same shape and doesn't have the shoulder spikes/pads. At panel 11, where the dude's arm get's torn off, the end of the arm is too small. It looks fine in the next panel, but here, if it's supposed to be like a zoom in to show that he just ripped it out of it's socket, it's too small. Then for panel twelve, Raj's upper right arm (our right) looks too small. That might just be of the way it moves, so it's at a different angle though. You'll have to be the judge of that one " 14th, did Raj slice through Zeldrak's hand? If he did, then why it it still intact in the last panel? And he's too skinny there, too. Last panel, Zeldrak looks too big compared to Raj. I know that Revin's supposed to be the giant, but I don't think that Raj is all that small either. And what happened to his right hand? (our right again) It's not sepperated from the arm by a joint anymore. It could the the Silver Demon is coated on there, but you can't see it, so if that was the case, you would've wanted to put like a very thin line showing that. Raj's lower body is too big compared to his upper body. Even from that angle, the upper body should be larger. 'Nother little issue with his upper arm. This time I can tell that both the upper arms are in about the same position, so I know that the right one (our right) is too small. And Zeldrak's arm looks weird. I'm not entirely sure what pose someone would be in when they have their stomach ripped out of them, but the shape is weird. I won't bug you about hands because I think that hands are harder than anatomy and proportions. Well...that's all I have to nitpick about. And good luck in Round 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 Alright, this was a rushed job (the entire lineart was based off quick sketches), but a lot of what you said was still valid (ie, I would've done the same even if I hadn't rushed) Gah, even though I tried to go back and make it look like he still had shoulder pads, I still missed some. XD Now that you mention it, you're absolutely right about panel 11. I didn't want it to be that much of a closeup, but given how massive his shoulder is, I should've drawn it much bigger. What, about twice its size? Raj's upper right arm? The one holding Zel's wrist, or the one about to stab him? I think if anything, his left arm is fat, though it's the right length. His stabby arm is definitely short, though. 14th panel...Raj stabbed him in the gut. Zeldrak's holding his stomach. It was out in the 12th panel; 14's supposed to be kind of a pause in the fight, right before the FINISH HIM. Yes, that last panel sucks, IMO. I'm terrible at scaling torsos. XD Raj is actually supposed to be a little big bigger. Yeah, that was supposed to be the Demon forming a big claw after grabbing his stomach. If it were colored properly, you could probably make it out better. Zel's hand is screwy, yes; frankly, I don't know how I'd react if I had my stomach pulled out, either. xD And this time you're right, his upper arm's too skinny. I'd say my biggest problem has always been with scale; I can draw two things pretty well, but not in relation to each other. It's really obvious in the last panel. Like I said, I generally consider this to be the worst thing I've ever put out, but that's no excuse; some of it would've shown up, anyways. Thanks! And if you see anything else, feel free to say so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whirlpool Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Glad I could help And I'm gonna do that Raj Poses sheet anyway, because I got bored again. ........Oh, that reminds me. I have a couple things I wanted to upload to DA. I should go do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted March 11, 2007 Author Share Posted March 11, 2007 First post edited with incomplete Round 2 info. Crit away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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