Infinity Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 No offense, but you really need to start taking critique. I've been self-studying art for nearly two and a half years and one of the first things I learned was to be open-minded about critique. There is a certain point where you must let go of your ego to accelerate yourself in this. The background red color does not seem to compliment the drawing, in my opinion it heavily detracts from it because it is so bright and doesn't have a certain point in the picture where you can just focus on. You need to try to vary the pressure you use in certain places. You really need to work on anatomy too. I'd pick up an anatomy book and practice on some real people too. If there are some basic courses that are offered around where you live you might want to take part in some over the summer. It seems to me that you haven't really gotten to the point of understanding the raw beauty of everything within art and instead just seem to be doing this for the attention. If I were you I would start out doing some still life study. Don't be overly aggressive with your coloring too, be gradual and light, then you can go over a certain spot multiple times and be very precise with your shading. Also, if I were you I'd bookmark this link. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94571 In that link there are hundreds of art books free for download. Concept Art is a forum where some pretty advanced artists go to hone their skills and get critique. They've even chased off some artists who have massive fanbases and massive egos, these people are true to their work. Look at something, even if it is the keyboard you are typing on. Try to notice things about it that you haven't noticed about it before. Perhaps it would be a shine or a shadow. Its a long road ahead and it will be a bumpy path. It will be a bumpier path if you don't get the basics down early. We can help you learn, but you must be willing to cooperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 If you can't accept even minimal criticism, I'm not going to comment on your art at all, good or bad. It will no longer be worth my time to do so. I doubt others will either after a certain point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Well that`s your opinion. I should have put more effort into that background. Thought the bright red background would give it an evil look, especially for Andross. Maybe I can fix up the background, darken it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Well that`s your opinion. No, it's my promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 I meant the picture, not me. If that`s the case, then I`m disabling comments on all my pictures, current and upcoming, forever!! That is final!! Plus, I think it`s for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Take it from someone that has been doing this a bit longer than you have... You will never excel in art with that attitude. I know because I had to either accept crit or just not get better. November 2005 February 2008 It should be obvious which route I took. The question remains: Which one will you take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I meant the picture, not me. If that`s the case, then I`m disabling comments on all my pictures, current and upcoming, forever!! That is final!! Plus, I think it`s for the best. Under the rules of the fanart board, you are entitled to have your work remain uncritiqued, so let me know of any critiques in posts you want removed from this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Well, you haven't seen it yet because I posted it in the "Your life" thread, but I'm gonna try to accept a little more constructive criticism. Oh, and Infinity, in the picture you did of Umbrion....you spelled porn wrong. Lol! Anyway, for starters, one reason I have a problem with drawing Fox in a sort of full body view is I've got way more experience with female anatomy, like when I do pictures of my deviantArt character Corona Lee (She's that fiery hot African jungle girl from a thread I have in Member Works). I've been practicing female anatomy by drawing more of her, and I think I'm almost there. The biggest problem have is with coloring.....GOD DA#$IT!! I SUCK AT THAT PART!! I could try something I...did....that's kinda cheating.......My scanner left a yellow line on the bottom of the picture, so I used Photoshop to remove it and fix some of the mistakes I made in the coloring. The one I know I missed in the rush was Andross's teeth. A little bit of brown got stuck in there, almost as if he had some chocolate (I'm kinda hungry). Oh, Dwight, yeah Fox does look like he dislocated his arm. I don't know who did that too him. Krystal because they're having some issues with each other, or Wolf because Wolf is a homicidal freak. I didn't think it looked that way at first. If that happened in real life, either he dislocated his arm, or his arms are very flexible (That sounds impossible doesn't it?). Do you think maybe Fox's clothes needed more wrinkles? Dwight, forget about removing the critique. With the path I'm choosing, I'm gonna need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-eyed Vulpine Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Another example of improvement: September 2004: December 2007: See what exciting things happen when you have an open mind? P.S. I can't wait for you to color that, Infinity. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffNStuff Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Oh fev, lol. They muzzle is too pointed, the chest looks flat, well as flat as plywood, even the male chest has some rises and falls. but no canyon of course lol. And the arm is kinda awkwardly placed. There are my two cents lol. My drawings though would suck and would endup looking like stick figures lol. I am going to stick with acad, and scematics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-eyed Vulpine Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hmm, thanks Puff! I'll keep those aspects in mind on my next picture. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Well, you haven't seen it yet because I posted it in the "Your life" thread, but I'm gonna try to accept a little more constructive criticism. Oh, and Infinity, in the picture you did of Umbrion....you spelled porn wrong. Lol! Anyway, for starters, one reason I have a problem with drawing Fox in a sort of full body view is I've got way more experience with female anatomy, like when I do pictures of my deviantArt character Corona Lee (She's that fiery hot African jungle girl from a thread I have in Member Works). I've been practicing female anatomy by drawing more of her, and I think I'm almost there. The biggest problem have is with coloring.....GOD DA#$IT!! I SUCK AT THAT PART!! I could try something I...did....that's kinda cheating.......My scanner left a yellow line on the bottom of the picture, so I used Photoshop to remove it and fix some of the mistakes I made in the coloring. The one I know I missed in the rush was Andross's teeth. A little bit of brown got stuck in there, almost as if he had some chocolate (I'm kinda hungry). Oh, Dwight, yeah Fox does look like he dislocated his arm. I don't know who did that too him. Krystal because they're having some issues with each other, or Wolf because Wolf is a homicidal freak. I didn't think it looked that way at first. If that happened in real life, either he dislocated his arm, or his arms are very flexible (That sounds impossible doesn't it?). Do you think maybe Fox's clothes needed more wrinkles? Dwight, forget about removing the critique. With the path I'm choosing, I'm gonna need it. Nothing personal, but I've noticed that you tend to go from accepting of critique to unaccepting of critique very quickly. Until I see that you have chosen this path for the long haul, I will not be commenting on your art. If you continue to improve and accept critique, I will eventually begin commenting. I will let those who are actually in the same boat with you (people who have actually drawn anthros before) do the commenting and critique for now. Additionally, you still always have the right to not have any particular art piece critiqued, because those are the rules of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yeah, I'm good with the Arwing, but I'm still having a hard time with anthros. What other thing do you think I need to fix besides Fox's "dislocated arm". His face probably should have been angled a little bit more to the left (Fox's left of course), and pants will need to be a little more skintight, like I did with his chest (I also thought Chiro-Chan would like that part. Heh heh heh!). My background in that picture should have been more evil looking, just to fit the fact that Andross was in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 10, 2008 Author Share Posted February 10, 2008 Sorry for the double post, but what parts of male anatomy am I still missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffNStuff Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 well.... Uhh.... Your good... uhhh... Why would you ask that? You are male aren't ya? You know what you have right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-eyed Vulpine Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 well.... Uhh.... Your good... uhhh... Why would you ask that? You are male aren't ya? You know what you have right? That made me laugh, Male anatomy? Let me see here... First off, before I get into anatomy, that red background is KILLING me. I'm having to strain to see the subject, which is Fox. You want to make your subject stand out, not the background. I agree with Dwight about the shoulders looking dislocated. They should be at the same level where the neck curves into the shoulders, not below. The raised right upper arm looks too connected to the trunk from what I can see. Try to differentiate the whole arm from the trunk. He looks like he has a TEN-pack of abs. The norm is six. Since Fox is viewed at an angle, the belt buckle should also be aiming in the same direction. It looks off-center from this vantage point. Now, on the broader scope, you would benefit GREATLY from shading. Instead of using colored pencils, trying using a mechanical pencil for practicing this. Examples: Without shading:           With shading: I'm sure Infinity can kick my butt when it comes to shading, but you can still see the improvement it makes. As long as this thread has gotten, we ought to just change it into a general "how-to-draw-well" thread, :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 15, 2008 Author Share Posted February 15, 2008 Well, I do know that when Fox has his arm up like that, his shoulder should change position with it. Another thing, I can't make Fox's muzzle look any less pointed or he'll look like someone flattened out his face. How exactly do you want Fox's muzzle? I think I did pretty good with the chest, but maybe the top part of Fox's suit shouldn't be so skin tight. It wouldn't match well with his pants. I'm practically going insane with people's different opinions being shot down my throat. On deviantART the other day, I blogged the picture to FireFoxgirl asking if she thought anything was missing. She said Fox's abs looked great, and just about everything besides the coloring was very good. Dwight, since you're also on deviantART, why don't you ask her why she said what she said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Sorry for double posting, but do you guys think my next picture would look good if I used markers for colors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffNStuff Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Just a sketch would be fine... no color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 I'm kinda just doing the lines right now. My next sketch is gonna be a celebration of Star Fox's 15th anniversary, YAY! I haven't spent too much time on any Star Fox related art lately because I've been trying to focus more on my own characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Sorry for the double post, but here's my most recent picture. http://transformerrobot.deviantart.com/art/Fox-strikes-a-pose-79975928 I like how the colors came out, but still, I'm not that proud of Fox's limbs. This picture was originally gonna be about Star Fox's 15 anniversary, but that's long over now. Dash, thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffNStuff Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 decent. I see potnential. Keep on drawing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absoludicrous91 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 See what happens when you listen to snobs like us? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share Posted March 15, 2008 Absoludicrous, drop the hole snob thing okay? I don't even mean it anymore. I do however thank all of you for your constructive critique. Yes, even you Puff. I'm gonna use Flash again for another sketch I did recently, but sorry, it's not Star Fox related. EDIT: Now I've fixed it so the shadowing on Fox looks much better. Now I'm even more proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 First time I submitted anything that was an animation....well, if you consider it an animation that is. It's probably not that funny, but it delivers a message. Maybe if I make another one, I'll animate it much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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