MrShowtime Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 I gotta admit, hardcore gamers REALLY got short-changed this time around. I hope Grandpa Joe and Aunty Betty are happy with this line-up. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 It might be announced this year. It's not over just yet. There is always that possibility. But we will call just a 'possibility' or a 'rumor' until we get some form of confirmation or maybe a little hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I was not happy with Nintendo this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShowtime Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 The Sony conference has just passed by. It's official, E3 sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 The Sony conference has just passed by. It's official, E3 sucks! Now that it's a private party, yeah. Either they reform, or a new show will emerge as the top place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS-Games Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I guess Nintendo didn't want to get people's hopes up. They did say that their core teams are hard at work on the next big games, but perhaps they weren't far enough along to have anything to show. Has anyone actually confirmed that SF Wii isn't at the show? I mean, Star Fox Command showed up with no announcements at Nintendo's booth. Actually Star Fox Command was announced at Nintendo's E3 2006 media briefing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS-Games Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I'm giving up hope on E3. As a personal message to the ESA "Just let it die, it was the biggest video game trade show in the world until you ruined it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Now that it's a private party, yeah. Either they reform, or a new show will emerge as the top place. Say, what about E for All? http://www.eforallexpo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 ONCE AGAIN, THEY HAVE RELEASED GAMES FOR ONLY THE CASUAL GAMERS, WHAT HAPPENED TO MAXIMIZING THE KEY FRANCHISES I can't say I'm surprised by this. By some kind of legerdemain, Nintendo gets away with drawing in casual gamers who are likely to become their hardcore fans. These fans don't usually have anywhere else to go because the same kind of touch in Ninty games aren't often found in Microsoft or Sony, and so the fans are somewhat caged by that conundrum. Despite that, it's peculiar that Nintendo talks so fervently about casual games to hardcore gamers (the ones who actually attend E3); all that says to me is that there isn't much on the docket for Ninty right now except a great deal of shovelware. As for maximising key franchises, didn't they allude to new Mario and Zelda titles in the works? I guess that technically counts, however unnecessary the idea of a second instalment for those series would be at this time (third instalment if you count the DS titles). What I find irksome is that they chose now to release a peripheral to facilitate one-to-one motion for the Wiimote, on a console whose main selling point was motion sensitivity (NiGHTS certainly could have used this). Presumably, the lack of gripping news means that major series are in various stages of development, and Nintendo gave a wink and a nod to the Mario and Zelda fans who make up their two largest franchises to placate everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Nintendo is starting to let their casual gamer success go to their heads. I do not want them to learn the hard way how succeptable these people are to fads. I am severely disappointed. Nintendo has ignored us, their loyal fans. The ones who stood by them during the Gamecube years. The ones who did not defect to Sony when the PSX debuted. The ones who defended the Wii concept and name when others lampooned it. If the Wii turns out to be a fad (I hope that it isn't. I do not want to see Nintendo fail) and the bottom falls out of these casual market sales, who will be there? If they want their loyal fans to stay, they need to cater to them. I am not a Nintendo fan because I like "hardcore" games. Those people defected during the N64 and Gamecube years. That is why Conduit (even though it looks awesome) and GTA Chinatown are not cutting it for me. I am not a Nintendo fan because I like the way their consoles look. I am not a Nintendo fan because of the Nintendo name alone. I am not a Nintendo fan due to new ideas alone. I AM a Nintendo fan because of Nintendo Games. I AM a Nintendo fan because of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, Punch-out, Donkey Kong, Mother, Kirby, Smash Bros., etc. Nintendo has more stellar franchises than pretty much any other company. THAT is why people are Nintendo fans. Nintendo is Nintendo because of these legends, not because of the WiiPlay series. It seems that today Nintendo has forgotten that. They shouldn't take us for granted. We only buy games that we want to play. If they do not make games we want to play, then we won't buy them. Some people will be hard-sells if the casual market collapses and Nintendo comes crying back to it's fans. This day will be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Winters Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 They seemed to be mostly directed to the casual market if anything else. I didn't anticipate a Star Fox title at all, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 They seemed to be mostly directed to the casual market if anything else. I didn't anticipate a Star Fox title at all, really. They're going to kill the company if they keep that up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 The thing is, they're so successful, they feel they've destroyed the competition and now they're getting lazy. Without good competition, there's no need to try to please your customers any further. It's how big businesses work. Nintendo has more stellar franchises than pretty much any other company. THAT is why people are Nintendo fans. Nintendo is Nintendo because of these legends, not because of the WiiPlay series. It seems that today Nintendo has forgotten that. They shouldn't take us for granted. We only buy games that we want to play. If they do not make games we want to play, then we won't buy them. I think EA and Sony may have just as many. But if you mean stellar because they lasted so long, I can't say much against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 They're going to kill the company if they keep that up though. Not likely. Nintendo has never done anything that would seriously hurt their profitability. And since they do, we can guarantee that we'll get the games we want eventually, because there's just so much money to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS-Games Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Not likely. Nintendo has never done anything that would seriously hurt their profitability. Are you forgetting about the Gamecube!? Not to be anti-Nintendo, but that system almost failed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Not likely. Nintendo has never done anything that would seriously hurt their profitability. And since they do, we can guarantee that we'll get the games we want eventually, because there's just so much money to be made. I'm saying the Wii won't be so exciting anymore if they come out with the same game over and over again. We know that Takaya Imamura has a few ideas for sequels, and I'm sure something related to Star Fox will come out within the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudRunnerLX Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 You've got to remember though E3 is no where as big as it was before and isn't as coveted as it was before. It's been downsized drastically and you're lucky if you get one new game release from a developer. Plus Nintendo and their companies have leaked many games before the conference. Has everyone forgot about the games like Wario Land? I know it's going to be released soon but had it been at E3 as well people might not have whinged as much. I'm excited for AC Wii and there's lots of other big 'core' games in the pipeline. Plus all the 'casual' games were pretty much out now so I guess it was time for the next wave of them to be unveiled for that market. Yeah I'm disappointed but people went into that conference expecting a new Zelda, new Mario, new Starfox, new Metroid, new DK, every franchise under the sun and Nintendo don't work like that, plus if they announced all their big guns NOW what would they have a few years down the line? Nothing. So they've got to balance their games in development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShowtime Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 Apparently there's news going around that Nintendo are going to be holding a private conference sometime this evening. That's all I know at the moment. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 The thing is, they're so successful, they feel they've destroyed the competition and now they're getting lazy. Without good competition, there's no need to try to please your customers any further. It's how big businesses work. Nintendo is NOT dominating the market yet. Yes, they are outselling, but they do not have more than 70% market share. I am quite worried that Nintendo has underestimated the fad mentality of this new casual market. Have they forgotten the Pokemon fad? If Nintendo had put everything they had into Pokemon, they wouldn't be here today. Note that I am not saying Pokemon is a popular game series anymore, but it isn't the fad that is was in the late 90s/early 2000s. Wii Music scares me. (What?! DZ SCARED by Wii Music?!). I was hoping for something a lot more that "press any button to make a note" gameplay. No score. No goals. No objectives. What's the point? You could teach a chipmunk to play that game. That is NOT the Nintendo I grew up with and loved so much. Its... Shovelware.... I think EA and Sony may have just as many. But if you mean stellar because they lasted so long, I can't say much against that. Name some key "Sony" franchises that ARE NOT made by another company. EA also publishes A LOT more than they make in-house. Yeah I'm disappointed but people went into that conference expecting a new Zelda, new Mario, new Starfox, new Metroid, new DK, every franchise under the sun and Nintendo don't work like that, plus if they announced all their big guns NOW what would they have a few years down the line? Nothing. So they've got to balance their games in development. But, we are not Nintendo fans for the WiiPlay series. Of course I wasn't wanting them to announce every single franchise. But, they didn't announce EVEN ONE for the Wii (Animal crossing doesn't count, sorry). Whether they intended to or not, they slapped their loyal fans in the face that day. None of the major franchises were present. One or two was all we needed. But they chose to give us nothing. This is what Nintendo wants their image to be now: WiiPlay. Mii is the new Mario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I'd say Nintendo is currently dominating. When you count the overwhelming success of the DS, that is. Nintendo simply won't go away like that. If they find that casual games don't make them money, they will move to what does. They aren't so stubborn that they won't change with changing market conditions. As it is, there's far more money to be made in the casual market, save for a few super franchises, like the Smash Bros. Series. Any company that has been sold out of its main product for nearly two years despite increasing production is doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Are you forgetting about the Gamecube!? Not to be anti-Nintendo, but that system almost failed! What's your definition of failed? Nintendo made a ton of money on it as Sony and Microsoft intentionally lost money on their systems, trying to grab the market, which they succeeded at, for about 1.5 generations. Now, Wii/DS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Name some key "Sony" franchises that ARE NOT made by another company. EA also publishes A LOT more than they make in-house. I was only talking about Sony owned franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battleship Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 What's your definition of failed? Nintendo made a ton of money on it as Sony and Microsoft intentionally lost money on their systems, trying to grab the market, which they succeeded at, for about 1.5 generations. Now, Wii/DS. That console put Nintendo in 3rd place maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS-Games Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 What's your definition of failed? Nintendo made a ton of money on it as Sony and Microsoft intentionally lost money on their systems, trying to grab the market, which they succeeded at, for about 1.5 generations. Now, Wii/DS. I kept hearing reports back during the Gamecube days stating that Nintendo had made a huge mistake with the Gamecube. Nintendo kept stating that couldn't understand why the Gamecube was lacking in sales behind both the PlayStation 2 and the Xbox. The reports stated that more players were going towards consoles that that had internet capabilities. Nintendo intentionally stayed away from that market stating that they thought players wouldn't be interested in it. I don't blame Iwata for this as much as I blame Yamauchi because he didn't and still doesn't know what players want. He thought the player's would go towards "minimal hardware for cheap prices" over internet play and DVD playback. They were wrong. The PlayStation 2 was the leader of the three thanks to the wide variety of games and third party developers. Xbox was second in sales thanks to Halo, and the Gamecube had little to nothing to grasp. It almost failed! Once again I'm not trying to be anti-Nintendo, I just choose not to ignore the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Krystal Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 That console put Nintendo in 3rd place maybe? I think you must be referring to the N64. It wasn't a single console that lead to the position Nintendo was in prior to the Wii. Nintendo stated that they intentionally made it hard to develop for the N64, so they would force developers to make quality games, or at least prevent people from releasing shovelware. It worked, but also pushed many 3rd party developers away, the effects of which were felt well into the Gamecube era, even though the Gamecube was designed to be extremely easy to develop for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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