ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 In SF 64, I noticed Wolf O' Donnell has an eye patch, and to me, that would make it really hard for him to fly...as Mr. Krystal told me in another reply to a post where I mentioned this, it may not ruin his depth perception for FLYING, but it would ruin his field of vision. I've yet to meet an actual active pilot with only one working eye. I think that Nintendo noticed this too, that's why after that, you see Wolf with a bionic eye implant instead of a patch, and that's okay... That, or he another injury to the same eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 How likely is it that ONE person from a "doomed" planet survives? You only see that in the movies. Think about if the Earth, let's say... The greenhouse gases made the planet to hot to be habitable. I'm sure we could think of something before we all died, like we made shelters underground or something. (Like Fallout 3) I find it hard to believe that she's the only Cerinian left. I find it hard to belive as well even super man isn't the only of his kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Just because Slippy didn't say the aparoid's can read minds, doesn't necessarily mean she absorbed James. There's no evidence they can't either, so it could just as easily be the other way around. Teh dictionaryz defines absorbed as: To take something in mentally. To see, read, or hear something and understand it fully. So if The Aparoid Queen absorbed Pigma, she'd know about James. True. But because the Aparoids never showed any sign of being able to read minds, I'm inclined to believe the Aparoids absorbed James. You guys should try looking at things simply, instead of making things complicated. General Pepper was forced to retire, and Pigma was like a pizza box. <.< If memory serves me, Pepper retired because of an illness NOT because of the Aparoids. As for Pigma well I believe he just gave in to the Aparoids. Note how he said: "You must join us...Rah!" when being took over by the Aparoids. However when General Pepper was being taken over he pleaded for Starfox to kill him, which suggests that he had a stronger will than Pigma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chiro-Chan Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 In SF 64, I noticed Wolf O' Donnell has an eye patch, and to me, that would make it really hard for him to fly...as Mr. Krystal told me in another reply to a post where I mentioned this, it may not ruin his depth perception for FLYING, but it would ruin his field of vision. I've yet to meet an actual active pilot with only one working eye. I think that Nintendo noticed this too, that's why after that, you see Wolf with a bionic eye implant instead of a patch, and that's okay... Actually, there HAVE been actual pilots with eyepatches. I think it was more around World War 1/2, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Actually, there HAVE been actual pilots with eyepatches. I think it was more around World War 1/2, but still. Wolf's new eyepatch looks like he might be able to see through it bionically anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Wolf's new eyepatch looks like he might be able to see through it bionically anyway... by the looks of it yeah it seems more like a bionic eye than a eypatch now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 True. But because the Aparoids never showed any sign of being able to read minds, I'm inclined to believe the Aparoids absorbed James. You guys should try looking at things simply, instead of making things complicated. Mebbe. I don't really know what to think when it comes to James. Like I said earlier.. There's no way to tell for certain if James is alive or dead. I don't think Nintendo even knows. Remember, there's been a different developer for each star fox game, none of them knew what to do with James, so they squeezed him into the story just so he can make an appearance. If memory serves me, Pepper retired because of an illness NOT because of the Aparoids. Well, I always assumed the illness was a result of being infected by the aparoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleks55 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Well, I always assumed the illness was a result of being infected by the aparoids. Thats what I thought too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LoftyBird Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I think that Q-games were just sick of him so they replaced him with peppy. :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I'm always late to the party with this kind of stuff. For the James Aparoid discussion. There is no way he could have been infected, there is no proof in the game to back this up. Yes the queen used him to mess with Fox, but using Peppy, James, ROB, Pigma, and Pepper, could have come from memories from the infected Pigma and Pepper. When you said that James could have crashed on the planet and then been infected. According the SF64 official site, courtesy of Mr. Krystal. Venom's atmosphere almost un-breathable, I don't think James could have survived that long out there, or any of the Aparoids that could have landed there. Second, even if he was infected. Fox and the others launched the self destruct program into the Queen. According to the game, the program used the process of apoptosis, which is an actual scientific term in which a cell commits suicide, or to be more precise, programmed cell death, to wipe out the Aparoids. When the program activated, James would have died when apoptosis occurred in his cells. If James was dead, he wouldn't have been able to come back in Command. The reason Pepper was still alive was because they had obviously saved him, so they would have found a way to cleanse his body of the Aparoid cells. As for Pigma coming back, he was DEAD!! We saw his fat face explode in Assault, him coming back in Command was just a plot hole. So through two different studies, James would have been DEAD. He couldn't have been infected. Trust me, I did my research. Here are my sources. http://starfox-online.net/sfo_media/support/siteBackups/starFox64.comReconstructed/venom.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br7N7H8Fa9w - Orbital Gate Mission Briefing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I'm always late to the party with this kind of stuff. For the James Aparoid discussion. There is no way he could have been infected, there is no proof in the game to back this up. Yes the queen used him to mess with Fox, but using Peppy, James, ROB, Pigma, and Pepper, could have come from memories from the infected Pigma and Pepper. The Queen also never used Beltino's voice or Fox's mother (Whoever she is) to mess with them also. If the Aparoids COULD read minds as you guys say, those voices would have more than likely used also. However though like Pig-Kay said we cannot tell for sure so it's best not to dig up the whole "Mind Reading" thing again. When you said that James could have crashed on the planet and then been infected. According the SF64 official site, courtesy of Mr. Krystal. Venom's atmosphere almost un-breathable, I don't think James could have survived that long out there, or any of the Aparoids that could have landed there. Umm who said this??? I said Andross might have CREATED the Aparoids and given James to them. Second, even if he was infected. Fox and the others launched the self destruct program into the Queen. According to the game, the program used the process of apoptosis, which is an actual scientific term in which a cell commits suicide, or to be more precise, programmed cell death, to wipe out the Aparoids. When the program activated, James would have died when apoptosis occurred in his cells. If James was dead, he wouldn't have been able to come back in Command. The reason Pepper was still alive was because they had obviously saved him, so they would have found a way to cleanse his body of the Aparoid cells. As for Pigma coming back, he was DEAD!! We saw his fat face explode in Assault, him coming back in Command was just a plot hole. I beg to differ. Peppy and R.O.B. were infected and they came back. And actually you bring up a good point. The program was designed to destroy Aparoid cells. When Fox activated the program all of the APAROID cells died, cleaning people's system of the Aparoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I beg to differ. Peppy and R.O.B. were infected and they came back. And actually you bring up a good point. The program was designed to destroy Aparoid cells. When Fox activated the program all of the APAROID cells died, cleaning people's system of the Aparoids. But Pigma is still infected in Command. :[] And Peppy and ROB were never infected. Which goes ta' show the Aparoid Queen can read the thoughts of the people she's absorbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The Queen also never used Beltino's voice or Fox's mother (Whoever she is) to mess with them also. If the Aparoids COULD read minds as you guys say, those voices would have more than likely used also. However though like Pig-Kay said we cannot tell for sure so it's best not to dig up the whole "Mind Reading" thing again. Umm who said this??? I said Andross might have CREATED the Aparoids and given James to them. I beg to differ. Peppy and R.O.B. were infected and they came back. And actually you bring up a good point. The program was designed to destroy Aparoid cells. When Fox activated the program all of the APAROID cells died, cleaning people's system of the Aparoids. Even so, that STILL does not prove James was an Apariod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 But Pigma is still infected in Command. :[] When Starfox killed Pigma while he was still infected, it might have screwed things up a bit. Plus I said this earlier: If memory serves me, Pepper retired because of an illness NOT because of the Aparoids. As for Pigma well I believe he just gave in to the Aparoids. Note how he said: "You must join us...Rah!" when being took over by the Aparoids. However when General Pepper was being taken over he pleaded for Starfox to kill him, which suggests that he had a stronger will than Pigma. And Peppy and ROB were never infected. Which goes ta' show the Aparoid Queen can read the thoughts of the people she's absorbed. What makes you think that? It clearly shows in the game when Peppy and R.O.B. get infected. Even so, that STILL does not prove James was an Apariod. Of course it doesn't. But it proves that he COULD have been infected though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 When Starfox killed Pigma when he was still infected it might have screwed things up a bit. I dunno.. I don't understand the logic behind your reasoning. xP What makes you think that? It clearly shows in the game when Peppy and R.O.B. get infected. Wha? When? The Great Fox gets attacked by Aparoids, but Peppy escapes in a pod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I dunno.. I don't understand the logic behind your reasoning. xP Yeah. Just think about it... Wha? When? The Great Fox gets attacked by Aparoids, but Peppy escapes in a pod. After Starfox gets into the Aparoid planet, the scene shows Peppy in Great Fox (You know with the red lights flashing) and he is surrounded by Aparoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah. Just think about it... Mmkay. After Starfox gets into the Aparoid planet, the scene shows Peppy in Great Fox (You know with the red lights flashing) and he is surrounded by Aparoids. Methinks not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Mmkay. Methinks not. yeah after the planet explodes there th pod is peppy and rob :what's up...peppy? :Wait so you knew about this (Clearly it was planned So peppy nor rob was ever infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Mmkay. Methinks not. Umm methinks YES!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ej4u-KyMU&feature=PlayList&p=DC703C85805F9E43&index=6 Now lets notice a few things shall we? At one 1:22 notice how Peppy's arm is bluish green. THE SAME COLOR the Saurians had when they were infected. Second, ALL of Great Fox is crawling with Aparoids noted at 1:04, 1:35 and 1:43. Peppy IS SURROUNDED by Aparoids. What did you think those red things were, Spiders? :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Uhh... Guys... That "pod" that they escaped from? That's the bridge of the Great Fox. Peppy and ROB WERE infected. yeah after the planet explodes there th pod is peppy and rob :what's up...peppy? :Wait so you knew about this (Clearly it was planned So peppy nor rob was ever infected. CLEARY, that doesn't prove anything at all. The "Wait, Fox. You knew about this?" part, was referring to the fact that Fox knew that Peppy hadn't died, when the rest of the team thought did die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 ...Now who's making things complicated? xD Umm methinks YES!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ej4u-KyMU&feature=PlayList&p=DC703C85805F9E43&index=6 Now lets notice a few things shall we? At one 1:22 notice how Peppy's arm is bluish green. THE SAME COLOR the Saurians had when they were infected. Second, ALL of Great Fox is crawling with Aparoids noted at 1:04, 1:35 and 1:43. Peppy IS SURROUNDED by Aparoids. What did you think those red things were, Spiders? I thought you were arguing that Peppy was surrounded by Aparoids when all the lights are flashing red. The back of the Great Fox is surrounded by the Aparoids. Not Peppeh. Peppy was in teh cockpit, nowhere near them. I don't see how he could have gotten infected. I have no explanation for the arm, though.. Nice find. I think we're just gonna hafta agree to disagree on this one, Falcory. Uhh... Guys... That "pod" that they escaped from? That's the bridge of the Great Fox. Peppy and ROB WERE infected. Doesn't look like it to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jcmm7r4Zog 0:43, it's grey with a red becon on the top. 0:45, inside doesn't look anythin' like teh Great Fox's bridge. Too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 ...Now who's making things complicated? xD I thought you were arguing that Peppy was surrounded by Aparoids when all the lights are flashing red. The back of the Great Fox is surrounded by the Aparoids. Not Peppeh. Peppy was in teh cockpit, nowhere near them. I don't see how he could have gotten infected. I have no explanation for the arm, though.. Nice find. Well I'm not TRYING to make things complicated. But I just don't understand why people will fight to the death to say James was never infected, when they could just say "Yeah it's a possibility". (By the way I'm not referring to you Pig-Kay cause you already said that.) No actually I was just saying that where you see all the Aparoids is in the same scene where Peppy is in the red room. You don't see any aparoids in that room like you showed in the pictures. I think we're just gonna hafta agree to disagree on this one, Falcory. Yeah it looks that way... Doesn't look like it to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jcmm7r4Zog 0:43, it's grey with a red becon on the top. 0:45, inside doesn't look anythin' like teh Great Fox's bridge. Too small. Yeah I gotta say I agree with that. It looks nothing like the bridge to Great Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Uhh... Guys... That "pod" that they escaped from? That's the bridge of the Great Fox. Peppy and ROB WERE infected. CLEARY, that doesn't prove anything at all. The "Wait, Fox. You knew about this?" part, was referring to the fact that Fox knew that Peppy hadn't died, when the rest of the team thought did die. then it's clear that Peppy was never Fully Infected. as for his arm though couldn't it be his gauntlet communicator? alot of Data could be held on the great fox it's also possible the aparoids got the data from the great fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah I gotta say I agree with that. It looks nothing like the bridge to Great Fox. Yeah, you guys are right... Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 New topic. Krystal this time; it's about her markings. (And it will probably evolve into Krystal as a whole...) The obvious one on her thighs. The less obvious one on her arms. And... The seemingly invisible one above her tail... That last one is what we are debating about. I can't find a good enough picture, but I'm enlisting the Krystal specialist to help me with that matter. Once we get a good picture, we can decide if it's a marking or just fur. For now, it's debate about the meaning of the markings. I'll start. Read this to start teh debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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