Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 K... Earlier you said... but most likely it was the Krazoa spirit controled by andross that had him possesed. How could Andross control one, as a SPIRIT, and not pure hearted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 K... Earlier you said... How could Andross control one, as a SPIRIT, and not pure hearted? How could scales have a Spirit in him? Plothole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Whoa whoa WHOA. Let's get a couple of things straight... There is NO PROOF that Scales pushed Krystal into the beam. Now before some of you object, why would Scales trap Krystal in a blue crystal that was MEANT to capture the spirits? Think about that. The only guy with a motive was Andross. Now about the whole being "Pure of Heat" to enter the shrine thing? I don't buy it. I believe that the first Krazoa Fox talked to was really Andross, and he was trying to force Fox into thinking that only "He" could retrive the spirits. So in other words Andross needed someone to do his dirty work for him. He had to convince Fox that only the pure of heart could enter the shrines so that "Fox" felt he was the only one for the job. Now about the whole magic thing. First off Krystal's staff may or may not be magic. We don't know yet. Truthfully, I could pull up a bunch of things that may suggest it isn't. But that's for another time... Now about the magic core of Dinosaur Planet. Just because Peppy said that the core was rich with a "Magical Force" does not mean it is nessacarily magic. It could be just a force that is unexplained, that seems "Magical" in nature. Also most of the Sarians seem to be very primitive (technolgy speaking), so a lot of things they saw, they probably concluded as Magic. As for therories as for how Cernia was destroyed, well I believe that Andross sucked up all of the planet's energy, which was the first phase of his rejuvination. Krystal somehow manedged to escape before the planet was destroyed, and this would explain how Krystal recgonized Andross on Sauria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaffles Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Whoa whoa WHOA. Let's get a couple of things straight... There is NO PROOF that Scales pushed Krystal into the beam. Now before some of you object, why would Scales trap Krystal in a blue crystal that was MEANT to capture the spirits? Think about that. The only guy with a motive was Andross. Now about the whole being "Pure of Heat" to enter the shrine thing? I don't buy it. I believe that the first Krazoa Fox talked to was really Andross, and he was trying to force Fox into thinking that only "He" could retrive the spirits. So in other words Andross needed someone to do his dirty work for him. He had to convince Fox that only the pure of heart could enter the shrines so that "Fox" felt he was the only one for the job. Now about the whole magic thing. First off Krystal's staff may or may not be magic. We don't know yet. Truthfully, I could pull up a bunch of things that may suggest it isn't. But that's for another time... Now about the magic core of Dinosaur Planet. Just because Peppy said that the core was rich with a "Magical Force" does not mean it is nessacarily magic. It could be just a force that is unexplained, that seems "Magical" in nature. Also most of the Sarians seem to be very primitive (technolgy speaking), so a lot of things they saw, they probably concluded as Magic. As for therories as for how Cernia was destroyed, well I believe that Andross sucked up all of the planet's energy, which was the first phase of his rejuvination. Krystal somehow manedged to escape before the planet was destroyed, and this would explain how Krystal recgonized Andross on Sauria. Those are great points Falcory. What if Andross caused the sun of the galaxy Cerinia was in to go supernova? It says nothing about the whole galaxy of her whole galaxy being doomed/destroyed so it is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Those are great points Falcory. What if Andross caused the sun of the galaxy Cerinia was in to go supernova? It says nothing about the whole galaxy of her whole galaxy being doomed/destroyed so it is a possibility. That's true. Cernia was never shown to be in the Lylat system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Whoa whoa WHOA. Let's get a couple of things straight... There is NO PROOF that Scales pushed Krystal into the beam. Now before some of you object, why would Scales trap Krystal in a blue crystal that was MEANT to capture the spirits? Think about that. The only guy with a motive was Andross. Now about the whole being "Pure of Heat" to enter the shrine thing? I don't buy it. I believe that the first Krazoa Fox talked to was really Andross, and he was trying to force Fox into thinking that only "He" could retrive the spirits. So in other words Andross needed someone to do his dirty work for him. He had to convince Fox that only the pure of heart could enter the shrines so that "Fox" felt he was the only one for the job. Now about the whole magic thing. First off Krystal's staff may or may not be magic. We don't know yet. Truthfully, I could pull up a bunch of things that may suggest it isn't. But that's for another time... Now about the magic core of Dinosaur Planet. Just because Peppy said that the core was rich with a "Magical Force" does not mean it is nessacarily magic. It could be just a force that is unexplained, that seems "Magical" in nature. Also most of the Sarians seem to be very primitive (technolgy speaking), so a lot of things they saw, they probably concluded as Magic. As for therories as for how Cernia was destroyed, well I believe that Andross sucked up all of the planet's energy, which was the first phase of his rejuvination. Krystal somehow manedged to escape before the planet was destroyed, and this would explain how Krystal recgonized Andross on Sauria. Yeah, it'd make more sense if this was their meeting. Krystal: It's...It's you!! Andross: So you remembered my face after all! Krystal: You killed my family and left my planet barren, why?! Andross: Did it matter to me what happened? Krystal: :x :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 No motive? Who destroyed/damaged Scales's ship? Krystal Who was under ANDROSS'S influence? At the end, Andross was saying that Scales was no longer any use to him, meaning he was using him. Who had the capability? NOT Andross, 'cause he's a spirit at this point. Did you see him floating around Scales and Fox? But they couldn't see him? While Scales DID have the capability. He has a teleportation belt. If Scales and Fox couldn't see Andross, how could Krystal? And HOW would it even be possible for him to PUSH her? He is the equivalent of a ghost. He had to convince Fox that only the pure of heart could enter the shrines so that "Fox" felt he was the only one for the job That's kinda... Backwards logic. Not saying that I agree with you with the whole "pure of heart" thing, but hear me out... If Andross hadn't said ANYTHING about being pure of heart, Fox could just say "Eh, someone else will take care of it. I'm not getting paid to do that." Everyone knows that the real reason he got the spirits was Krystal, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 There is NO PROOF that Scales pushed Krystal into the beam. Now before some of you object, why would Scales trap Krystal in a blue crystal that was MEANT to capture the spirits? Think about that. The only guy with a motive was Andross. Now about the whole being "Pure of Heat" to enter the shrine thing? I don't buy it. I believe that the first Krazoa Fox talked to was really Andross, and he was trying to force Fox into thinking that only "He" could retrive the spirits. So in other words Andross needed someone to do his dirty work for him. He had to convince Fox that only the pure of heart could enter the shrines so that "Fox" felt he was the only one for the job. Not so sure about the rest, but I don't believe Scales pushed Krystal into the beam, either. 'Twas Andross. Before she gets pushed in, you can see someones looking at her and he see's in like-- infrared. Later, when Fox is taking the test of fear, the screen turns infrared. At this point, the meter moves to the left really fast. I theorize that's because Andross is what Fox fears most and he felt that he was watching him. Then after the General Scales fight (and I use the word 'fight' loosely, here ) you hear Andross telling Scales to give Fox the krazoa spirit and we see in the same weird infrared. Finally, when you free Krystal, Andross starts floating towards you and we see through his eyes again. It's infrared. That pretty much confirms eet. You may be asking how Andross pushed Krystal into the beam if he was just a spirit. Teh answer: Plothole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 You do know that the T-Rex also had the infrared sight, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 But Scales isn't really a T-Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 I know that. I was just proving that Andross isn't the only thing with that kind of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaffles Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 But Scales isn't really a T-Rex. He never said anything along those lines... :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 He never said anything along those lines... Not sayin' he did. Just sayin' it wasn't Scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No motive? Who destroyed/damaged Scales's ship? Krystal Who was under ANDROSS'S influence? At the end, Andross was saying that Scales was no longer any use to him, meaning he was using him. Who had the capability? NOT Andross, 'cause he's a spirit at this point. Did you see him floating around Scales and Fox? But they couldn't see him? While Scales DID have the capability. He has a teleportation belt. If Scales and Fox couldn't see Andross, how could Krystal? And HOW would it even be possible for him to PUSH her? He is the equivalent of a ghost. That's kinda... Backwards logic. Not saying that I agree with you with the whole "pure of heart" thing, but hear me out... If Andross hadn't said ANYTHING about being pure of heart, Fox could just say "Eh, someone else will take care of it. I'm not getting paid to do that." Everyone knows that the real reason he got the spirits was Krystal, right? Not to be a bug here ,but Zwolf could you explain to me how andross can use this 'teleportation' Belt when he's a spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 SCALES has the teleportation belt, as shown by in this video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 SCALES has the teleportation belt, as shown by in this video. This sparks a new debate!!1! Had this discussion before on SFHQ, but I'll post it here anywayz. Scales belt: Is it a teleporter, an invisibiliy cloak, or a hologram-projector-thingy.. A very realistic hologram that can pick up Sharp Claws and throw them.. <.< I'mma say cloaking device. Teleporter would be way too powahful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 It's not a hologram projector, that's for sure. As for invisibility, I'm sure Fox could have some heat-seating goggles or something like that. I don't have proof of this, but I'm just saying that it's pretty likely. Why not a teleporter? The Great Fox can beam down Landmasters and Arwings down to the planet. So, a teleporter exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndf Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Why not a teleporter? The Great Fox can beam down Landmasters and Arwings down to the planet. So, a teleporter exists. That technology might not have been invented in Adventures. Remember, ROB just air dropped all Fox's stuff onto the planet and the store keeper stole it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hmm... I thought it was because the matter transporter was one of the things they needed to get fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Another thing I've thought about a few times is what century is Star Fox set in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No motive? Who destroyed/damaged Scales's ship? Krystal Okay okay. I said: WHAT MOTIVE WOULD SCALES HAVE FOR IMPRISONING KRYSTAL IN A CRYSTAL SO THAT SHE COULD CAPTURE THE SPIRITS??? Who was under ANDROSS'S influence? At the end, Andross was saying that Scales was no longer any use to him, meaning he was using him. I don't disagree with that. Scales was proably possessed by Andross. Who had the capability? NOT Andross, 'cause he's a spirit at this point. Did you see him floating around Scales and Fox? But they couldn't see him? While Scales DID have the capability. He has a teleportation belt. Don't disagree with this either. And Scales probably has a teleportation belt designed from the Warpstone. If Scales and Fox couldn't see Andross, how could Krystal? And HOW would it even be possible for him to PUSH her? He is the equivalent of a ghost. You notice how Fox and Krystal have purple eyes when they had a spirit? Scales could have had some noticeable thing about him that showed Krystal it was Andross. That's kinda... Backwards logic. Not saying that I agree with you with the whole "pure of heart" thing, but hear me out... If Andross hadn't said ANYTHING about being pure of heart, Fox could just say "Eh, someone else will take care of it. I'm not getting paid to do that." Everyone knows that the real reason he got the spirits was Krystal, right? Errr you missed the point. THAT'S EXACTLY the reason Andross could have lied about "The pure of heart entering the shrines". He didn't want Fox to turn down the job. Heck, he even made Fox hear Krystal's voice. Now why would Krystal say "I need Krazoa Spirits to survive" when she didn't? That Krazoa had to be Andross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Okay okay. I said: WHAT MOTIVE WOULD SCALES HAVE FOR IMPRISONING KRYSTAL IN A CRYSTAL SO THAT SHE COULD CAPTURE THE SPIRITS??? Just simple revenge. Scales probably didn't know what the beam was for, just thought that the beam would hurt her. You notice how Fox and Krystal have purple eyes when they had a spirit? Scales could have had some noticeable thing about him that showed Krystal it was Andross. I'm talking about actually SEEING Andross. People were saying that Andross pushed her. Errr you missed the point. THAT'S EXACTLY the reason Andross could have lied about "The pure of heart entering the shrines". He didn't want Fox to turn down the job. Heck, he even made Fox hear Krystal's voice. Now why would Krystal say "I need Krazoa Spirits to survive" when she didn't? That Krazoa had to be Andross. Okay... You lost me there. If Andross LIED about the requirement of being pure hearted... Oh, I think I just got it. The reason he said that was exactly WHY Fox couldn't say "Oh, someone else will do it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just simple revenge. Scales probably didn't know what the beam was for, just thought that the beam would hurt her. The Beam could have let her escape, if he didn't know what it was for. I don't think he's THAT dumb... I'm talking about actually SEEING Andross. People were saying that Andross pushed her. I think the person who physically pushed her was Scales. But I think he was under the influence of Andross, and Krystal saw that he was. Okay... You lost me there. If Andross LIED about the requirement of being pure hearted... Oh, I think I just got it. The reason he said that was exactly WHY Fox couldn't say "Oh, someone else will do it". Yes, you finally got it... :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwolf Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 The Beam could have let her escape, if he didn't know what it was for. I don't think he's THAT dumb... Yeah... A random laser sticking out of the wall. Let's hope it's friendly! I think the person who physically pushed her was Scales. But I think he was under the influence of Andross, and Krystal saw that he was. Mmhmm. Being a telepath, I'm sure she could tell that there was something odd about his thoughts or something, with Andross in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcory Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yeah... A random laser sticking out of the wall. Let's hope it's friendly! Lol!... Mmhmm. Being a telepath, I'm sure she could tell that there was something odd about his thoughts or something, with Andross in there. That's another thing I was thinking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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