Badleech Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I agree with GammaRay256.It is VERY hard to master the CUS technique.And you definitly deserve the hits.Well, my 2419 on the old route (Coneria, Meteo, Katina... and so on) was achieved by usind charged unlocked shots.I've posted the individual scores on the previous page, check it out, or take a look at http://www.youtube.com/badleechwhat is your score, gammaray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GammaRay256 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Quote what is your score, gammaray?2086 using CUS... I'm trying to break 2100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Nothing like a revival of the "is CUSing cheating" debate...If there is a bug in a game that awards you with additional score, exploiting it is cheating. Even if the bug takes a little skill to exploit.It isn't a question of whether or not you "deserve" the points. If there is a bug, then you shouldn't get those points in that situation, regardless of if you think you deserve them because, in fact, you don't deserve the points because the additional reward was unintentional.If I exploit a bug in banking software and transfer $5,000,000 into my account, which would be incredibly difficult, do I deserve that money? No. They'd throw my ass in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GammaRay256 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Quote Nothing like a revival of the "is CUSing cheating" debate...If there is a bug in a game that awards you with additional score, exploiting it is cheating. Even if the bug takes a little skill to exploit.It isn't a question of whether or not you "deserve" the points. If there is a bug, then you shouldn't get those points in that situation, regardless of if you think you deserve them because, in fact, you don't deserve the points because the additional reward was unintentional.If I exploit a bug in banking software and transfer $5,000,000 into my account, which would be incredibly difficult, do I deserve that money? No. They'd throw my ass in jail.A very good point DZ...Do you think the developers left "hold Z+R = no lock" in the game on purpose? The feature wasn't documented as far as I know, so do you think it was something left over from testing? Or is it more of an Easter Egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zicka Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Oh bull it takes more skill. It takes about as much skill to pull off no-lock shots as it does to kill every enemy on the screen with lasers alone. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GammaRay256 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Quote Oh bull it takes more skill. It takes about as much skill to pull off no-lock shots as it does to kill every enemy on the screen with lasers alone. =/I can't say that I agree... take the first part of Corneria [normal mode] for example:* With just lasers, no charged shots, you can get a maximum of 11 hits before you reach the land. It's really easy to do, anyone who has played the game once could do it.* With charged lasers [lock-on], you can get 16 hits, 17 if you're really lucky. It's not that hard to do either (you might get 15 if you don't lock onto the right one in the group of 5).* With charged unlocked shots, you can get 21 hits before you reach the land if you do everything right. It's very difficult to do however because 1) the charged shots have to hit the water and still kill the enemy, and 2) if the enemies don't hit the ground before they're off screen, you don't get the points. There's a reason why it sometimes takes multiple tries before you get a perfect run... it's so easy to accidentally hit the units and not the water below them.Anyways, I'll stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badleech Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree with GammaRay, but hey, you should know, that you can get 22 hits before you reach the land we'll stop that, lets just say, everyone, who posts a highscore will say, if he used CUS or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zicka Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Quote I can't say that I agree... take the first part of Corneria [normal mode] for example:* With just lasers, no charged shots, you can get a maximum of 11 hits before you reach the land. It's really easy to do, anyone who has played the game once could do it.* With charged lasers [lock-on], you can get 16 hits, 17 if you're really lucky. It's not that hard to do either (you might get 15 if you don't lock onto the right one in the group of 5).* With charged unlocked shots, you can get 21 hits before you reach the land if you do everything right. It's very difficult to do however because 1) the charged shots have to hit the water and still kill the enemy, and 2) if the enemies don't hit the ground before they're off screen, you don't get the points. There's a reason why it sometimes takes multiple tries before you get a perfect run... it's so easy to accidentally hit the units and not the water below them.Anyways, I'll stop now.Well duh it's easy to hit, those are the first enemies in the game and come at you facing the opposite way. They are supposed to give you free shots so you figure out what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Quote A very good point DZ...Do you think the developers left "hold Z+R = no lock" in the game on purpose? The feature wasn't documented as far as I know, so do you think it was something left over from testing? Or is it more of an Easter Egg?I am not saying that it was meant that you could not disengage the lock. It is pretty obvious that that was an intended feature. The bug I am referring to is, as I understand it, that in some situations (like hitting some parts of stages that are next to enemies), using an unlocked charged shot will add additional hits to your score beyond what is normal, IE you kill 5 enemies, but get 7 hits. In fact, you pointed out an instance of this bug yourself: Quote It's very difficult to do however because 1) the charged shots have to hit the water and still kill the enemyBasically, the game assumes that if enemies are killed by splash damage, then the charge shot must have hit an enemy, and thus rewards you for killing an enemy that wasn't there.Getting high scores with this method impresses me as much as those people who claim that they can beat Metroid in 5 minutes, but they in actuality find glitches that let them skip most of the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePointingMan Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 i didna know that r+z = nolock, that woulda been so usefull.co 216sy 152aq 178zonnes 285mb 163a6 357venum 207lame, i felt so bad cause i new my score woulda been 20 hits higher but i didna beat starwolf in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sector-T Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Finally, I remembered to write down my score, here it is.Corneria (Medal) 154 P S FAsteroid Field (Medal) 247 P S FFortuna (Medal) 67 P S FSector X (Medal) 156 P S FSector Z 86 P S FArea 6 290 P S FVenom (Medal) 227 P S FTOTAL: 1227Lives:16Paycheck: $78528Achieved on 11/6/09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 A medal is an award.A metal is a type of element.Just so you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sector-T Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Crud, I spelled it wrong, thanks for pointing that out DZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Guntz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 i jst realized i suck at star fox 64 [my score i belive is 1400 rounded,and i have no medals yeah i know i suck].I have everything in assault but i suck in 64...[then again u guys have been playing star fox way longer than i have so u hav mr experince]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GammaRay256 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 From the official Star Fox 64 guidebook:(Also, picture is attached to this post [if link is broken in future])"Route 18 also gives you the best opportunity for a high score. One of our top pilots managed to rack up this impressive score along that route.""Venomian units destroyed: 1486" I remember laughing really hard when I beat this score. I wasn't very old (it was probably while the game was still popular, or a year or two after), and I thought it was so funny at the time that I beat "...one of Nintendo's top pilots"... (And yes, that was without CUS)So for anyone out there [including myself] who can't get those crazy scores (2500+), we can rest in the fact that we are better than or equal to Nintendo's "top pilots" Quote i jst realized i suck at star fox 64 [my score i belive is 1400 rounded,and i have no medals yeah i know i suck].I have everything in assault but i suck in 64...[then again u guys have been playing star fox way longer than i have so u hav mr experince].Mr.Guntz, at 1400, you just need a few more to beat Nintendo A bit off-topic, but I just thought I should mention that I haven't forgotten about uploading the whole guidebook... I just haven't had the time to scan it all.[Pruned to save disk space] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Guntz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 true lol thxs for the up lift [my GG control is messed up to so tht cld be some what of the reason of why i suck it moves the arwing dwn fine its up tht takes 60 milliion hours lol] Well tie for some nice star fox training with some friends btw looking forward to ur guide lol i need all the help i cn gt EDIT: well i got better...i was in the red route the whole itime till i got to venom were star wolf [with their new ships] beat the life out of me...doea anyone have any tips for me to beat them [if i have the spirit to start ALL over and go through aquas again...btw i saw katt in zoness...which game did she first appear in] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Draco Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Normal Mode, Hard Path: 1157Not bad, but not good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Guntz Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 YES MWHAHA 1783! EAT THAT NINTENDO! [i did the same route as last time and i beat star wolf at venom and saw floating monkey heads brain!!!!oh and the awesome ending]. Now excuse me while i mend by fingers back together frm shooting lasers at enemys :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellipzocore Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I can get a score of about +600 without cheats, with cheats on an emulator would be this picture:I actually made that score, I had on a cheat for this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airrider Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Normal Mode on Route 18 according to Nintendo Power, my highest was 1472.I just got back into score runs in SF64 after a hiatus too long to mention, and a friend and I battled to see who could get a higher one. I won, 1393 to 1360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zallard1 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Quote Nothing like a revival of the "is CUSing cheating" debate...If there is a bug in a game that awards you with additional score, exploiting it is cheating. Even if the bug takes a little skill to exploit.It isn't a question of whether or not you "deserve" the points. If there is a bug, then you shouldn't get those points in that situation, regardless of if you think you deserve them because, in fact, you don't deserve the points because the additional reward was unintentional.If I exploit a bug in banking software and transfer $5,000,000 into my account, which would be incredibly difficult, do I deserve that money? No. They'd throw my ass in jail.It's sad to see this argument continue when it led to nothing but chaos at aL. Comparing a CUS to a "Bug" in the game just sounds silly to me. I don't get how maximizing the bonus system for a high score is considered cheating. What kind of rule book would you follow when getting a high score in this game? If you end up replying, please list what you think should be allowed/not allowed for high scores in SF64.When I was trying to figure out rules that would work within what was most likely considered CUSing, I defined a CUS as "a charge that is fired without locking." I ended up doing fine, but when I got to Macbeth, I noticed none of the rocks will let me fire a locked charge on them. Yet, they award me points for CUSing them. Why would that be if it's completely unintentional? I ended up with a 2133 total hits with this limitation.I know it's futile to persuade you, but I'm compelled to throw my opinion out there too. I won't flip out like the others at aL if you disagree (likely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FoXXX Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 If I go from Corneria > Sector Y > Aquas > Zoness > Sector Z > Area 6 > Venom I get around 1600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainfyre66 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I FINALLY beat my old-school high score of 1591 yesterday, now my current high score is 1624. Oh, you bet your sweet bippy I'll be challenging myself to top that eventually, especially after seeing some of these scores, I must get higher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FoXXX Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If I can remember right if I go on this route Corneria > Meteo > Katina > Sector X > Macbeth > Area 6 > Venom I can get 2k :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaly Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi,my record is somewhere about 1700 (standard mode). Route was:Corneria > Meteo > Katina > Sector X > McBeth > Area 6 > Venom 2In expert mode I can't manage to get more, because I loose my twin lasers all the time^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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