Sabre Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 W00t. Go Go Gadget reason! First off, I don't see the problem with outsourcing. Finatial interdependence is a good thing. You can;t have free trade and resticted trade at the same time. My main issue is not a case of eites, but rather class systems and itellectual laziness, which I see almost every day. I'm, not asking everyone to be a grade A student. What my goal would be is to get rid of the 'cool' in being thick. I'm talking about the people who phone 999 for help with a crossword, or because there's some hair on a slice bacon. Those people who skip school because it 'cool' to smoke behind the bike sheds. The kind of people who follow celebrity and fasion. My problem with class is that it creates a devide. Drs are given a huge amount of respect, and they love to abuse that as a whole. Why is a Dr given more respect then a man who works in the sewers depite the nessesity of both. Ridding bother of those will also cause my third and 4th major problems to go away. People who talk down, and cast shame and guilt on those who break the status quo. Everyone is beneeth them while everyone crawls up the backs of those in fornt in a futile effort to reach the top. Who there be any political coruption if there is little insentive to do so. You can't be 'in' with the upper classes if there is no upper class to begin with. The only motivation could be personal greed, but given how all the goverment actions and records would be available to the well educated public, they would be out on their arses if they tried to swindle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 How do you feel about professional athletes being paid obscene amounts of money? Just curious... I think it's not just America that does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 DZ, Julius: actually, the idea of the federative branch of government is not my original concept. Like most of what I drew up in my post, I took inspiration from English political philosopher John Locke and his Two Treatises of Government. In that book, Locke said the three branches were federative, legislative, and executive; he ditched judicial because English courts were independent of the monarchy and tying them to the rest of government would have made them less pristine in a way. In turn, it looks like Locke derived his idea from how the ancient Roman Republic handled their government with a federative (Senate), legislative (Century and Tribal Assemblies plus the Plebeian Council), and executive (consuls) branch. </nerdy poli sci explanation summarising my senior thesis> As for professional athletes, much as I detest the notion that someone could be paid millions and millions merely to kick a ball around, I'd still leave it alone. If society placed a stronger value on productive work and intellectual prowess, then the demand to watch such games would decline, thus putting an economic drag on those absurd salaries. About the worst way to go, satisfying though it might be, is banning pro sports, since that kicks the athletes, the stadium maintenance workers, the trainers, the vendors, et al. out of a job, all of which is bad news for an economy if there aren't jobs to soak them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I have no problem. If they want to pay that, that's up to them. What I don't like is the team stacking. Have you seen Baseketball? That shares my opinion on team stacking (players arn't allowed to change teams) and yours. (all players get the same wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Thanks, Catwings... Now here's a slice of MY nation's pie! Have a taste! *evil laughter* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fgsailx-jY&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Me? I don't want a nation. I don't know enough about politics and the economy to do anything right. If I were in charge, we'd be WAY more screwed up than we are now! I just want to be a citizen, just give me a spot out in the country, so I can enjoy the landscape, yet give it some good tech so I can enjoy myself, give me a fishing pole and shotgun and ammo so I can get food, and plenty of spare time. I'll leave the running of politics to you guys, me, I just want things to be simple like they were loooooooong ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I just want things to be simple like they were loooooooong ago. Mud Huts, TB, poverty andreligious dogma. Sounds great. My cities lack the countryside (for now at least) but I can provide the latest science has to offer, with complete freedom provided you don't be an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Mud Huts, TB, poverty andreligious dogma. Sounds great. My cities lack the countryside (for now at least) but I can provide the latest science has to offer, with complete freedom provided you don't be an idiot. Haha! Don't forget the Black Plague! The idea of a military that is separate from the government is very dangerous. The situation is ripe for Coup d'état by overzealous generals. It also makes it much easier to get into wars that may not be in the interest of the country as a whole. It may also lead to policy problems: What if the current head general wants, for instance, to divert spending from healthcare to the military? An entirely armed populace may serve as a barrier, though it could also easily lead to civil war. Many African nations have similar setups, and every once in a while you hear of someone getting into power that another group doesn't like. The lack of arms control leads to the development of a sustainable rebellion. Look at Somalia, for instance. The military dictatorship collapsed under unrest, and the infighting continues to this day. Though, you do seem to have one important aspect of a successful totalitarian state: The people have their needs met. What often leads to the fall of totalitarian governments is the lust for power of the dictator begins to erode the provision of needs of the populace. When that happens, the fear control fails, as the lack of the need causes a worse death than getting shot by the dictator's men. I love this thread. You can learn so much about someone when you give them the chance to design a government. I would have it so that my military, like the Post Office here in America, operates independently in financial matters. We have our military do: Mercenary for hire work, OR kidnapping, assassinations, drug trade, arms deals, robbery, etc. (committed against foreign nations). We would steal, loot, pillage from foreign nations, and our country would steal WMD technology, so we could act with impunity. Our Navies would be like pirates....Ahhhrr! There would be provisions to safeguard the general treasury from being raided by the military, and by congress, or ANYONE else. And, an armed society is a free, safe, and polite society. There might be a coup d tat, but that would happen more likely in a society with strict and/or ANY gun control laws. At least the pro-regime citizens, when armed, can help quell a rebellion from an overzealous General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 And, an armed society is a free, safe, and polite society. There might be a coup d tat, but that would happen more likely in a society with strict and/or ANY gun control laws. At least the pro-regime citizens, when armed, can help quell a rebellion from an overzealous General. Julius, wouldn't that scenario look something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Julius, wouldn't that scenario look something like this? NO, IT WOULD NOT. Only in a nation with strict gun control laws would it look like that. England and Germany have strict gun laws, and high crime rates...you go to Switzerland, Norway, or Austria with less strict gun laws, and the crime rates (especially murder) are really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Thanks, Catwings... Now here's a slice of MY nation's pie! Have a taste! *evil laughter* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fgsailx-jY&feature=related Nazi!! *fires sniper rifle everywhere* :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 You know something, all this talk about Nations made me think of a Tenacious D song called City Hall. *WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co2Zt615P5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Me? I don't want a nation. I don't know enough about politics and the economy to do anything right. If I were in charge, we'd be WAY more screwed up than we are now! Sounds almost exactly like Julius. Haha! Don't forget the Black Plague! I would have it so that my military, like the Post Office here in America, operates independently in financial matters. We have our military do: Mercenary for hire work, OR kidnapping, assassinations, drug trade, arms deals, robbery, etc. (committed against foreign nations). We would steal, loot, pillage from foreign nations, and our country would steal WMD technology, so we could act with impunity. Our Navies would be like pirates....Ahhhrr! There would be provisions to safeguard the general treasury from being raided by the military, and by congress, or ANYONE else. And, an armed society is a free, safe, and polite society. There might be a coup d tat, but that would happen more likely in a society with strict and/or ANY gun control laws. At least the pro-regime citizens, when armed, can help quell a rebellion from an overzealous General. Yeah, but can it stand up to THIS GUY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sounds almost exactly like Julius. Yeah, but can it stand up to THIS GUY? Ah, shaddup! Guys like him would be in charge on my nation, they'd be our leaders, officials, military generals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 In mine he'd be shot in the head. So he might blow up a hospital, but at least he wont be doing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Ah, shaddup! Guys like him would be in charge on my nation, they'd be our leaders, officials, military generals... Are you kidding? With the way you plan on running that country it'd turn into this in a matter of 3 years, and with people like Joker included you'd probably die in 10 days. Face it, this thread is a bad idea, it's giving us a bad impression of each other, like we're locked in the same room engaged in a knife fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 No it's just you. I have noticed your less then subtle attempts to get this threat locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 You know something, all this talk about Nations made me think of a Tenacious D song called City Hall. *WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co2Zt615P5M cool song! No it's just you. I have noticed your less then subtle attempts to get this threat locked. (Thanks Sabre) yeah...Arwingcommander, if you don't like this thread, don't read it, and please quit posting in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 It's just that I think Julius is serious about becoming an evil totalitarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 My nation would probably be quite similar to old Sparta in the movie 300. Which includes shouting at and then kicking anyone who threatens us into bottomless pits. The only differences would be not to kill any newborns who seemed to be unfit as soldiers, I may be brutal, but I'm not heartless. And replacing the greek relegion and mythology with the old norse one. It's just that I think Julius is serious about becoming an evil totalitarian. I understand your worries, but I think Julius just made this for the fun of it, and maybe to vent out some anger. As said earlier, if you don't like what you read, then don't read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 My nation would probably be quite similar to old Sparta in the movie 300. Which includes shouting at and then kicking anyone who threatens us into bottomless pits. That is easily the most awesome wet floor sign I've ever seen. And if you're going to make a Spartan nation, I'm totally keeping my nation from angering yours. I understand your worries, but I think Julius just made this for the fun of it, and maybe to vent out some anger. As said earlier, if you don't like what you read, then don't read it. Indeed. This is a philosophical exercise, not the master plans of people trying to carve sovereignty out of an existing nation-state. There is no need to fear such a thing in earnest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I understand your worries, but I think Julius just made this for the fun of it, and maybe to vent out some anger. As said earlier, if you don't like what you read, then don't read it. Thanks Asper Sarnoff, and you're right about why I made this thread...(cool sign, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The spartans were also a slave nation. Glossed over in the films, but you see a couple in some of the city scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well, I'm glad it was just for the fun of it. If I made a nation we would be a democracy, be very peaceful, but everyone would be allowed to have a gun to reduce risks of crime, we'd also be very big on religious tolerance and racial tolerance, try our best to keep our environment clean, and help out in UN missions. Our moto would be one simple word: PINGAS!! :compcrash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 That is easily the most awesome wet floor sign I've ever seen. And if you're going to make a Spartan nation, I'm totally keeping my nation from angering yours. Thanks. Thanks Asper Sarnoff, and you're right about why I made this thread...(cool sign, btw) You're welcome. The spartans were also a slave nation. Glossed over in the films, but you see a couple in some of the city scenes. Yeah I know. After all, who else would do all the work when all the free men were out in the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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