Who the crap said Command wasn't cannon?

[Guest FoXXX]

If SFC is canon than they did a lot of things :|

[Mr. Krystal]

Okay, I can see that, but still the initial events that start the game (The team breaking up and the Anglar Invasion) ARE cannon right?

Oh yeah. I think most people accept the basic intro to Command (though hope that Nintendo will ignore it completely). However, even if those two didn't say the endings weren't canon, the fact that the endings cannot possibly all occur means that they can't be canon. Accepting one ending removes the ability to accept another. A paradox can't be made official, it doesn't exist.

[Dr. Wilopolis]

So, all in all, choose one ending and stick to it until something official is said. *hopes for Fox and Falco to appear in an F-Zero game*

[Guest FoXXX]

Oh yeah. I think most people accept the basic intro to Command (though hope that Nintendo will ignore it completely). However, even if those two didn't say the endings weren't canon, the fact that the endings cannot possibly all occur means that they can't be canon. Accepting one ending removes the ability to accept another. A paradox can't be made official, it doesn't exist.

SF knows better than to disband :)

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Oh yeah. I think most people accept the basic intro to Command (though hope that Nintendo will ignore it completely). However, even if those two didn't say the endings weren't canon, the fact that the endings cannot possibly all occur means that they can't be canon. Accepting one ending removes the ability to accept another. A paradox can't be made official, it doesn't exist.

UGH!

I could do without ANY part of that

SF-Command Story, be it the beginning, or the ending(s)...

I wouldn't want ANY of SF-Command to be canon (except MAYBE the space crafts)..

The only way I want SF-Command to be canonized is if it were to be actually shot out of a cannon 

...(shot into the center of the sun, maybe?)

[Guest FoXXX]

UGH!

I could do without ANY part of that

SF-Command Story, be it the beginning, or the ending(s)...

I wouldn't want ANY of SF-Command to be canon (except MAYBE the space crafts)..

The only way I want SF-Command to be canonized is if it were to be actually shot out of a cannon 

...(shot into the center of the sun, maybe?)

Ya, the space crafts were cool, and would be nice to have in a new SF title. And yes, shoot SFC out of a canon to Solar ;)

[Guest DRL]

To be perfectly honest: Command itself CAN be canon, however... Not a single event or ending can be called 'the canon one' due to the fact the storyline ends on a game with branching endings. The only 'canon' path in SFC is the one the player perceives as so. So Fox and Falco going off, and becoming (F-Zero) racers is MY idea of the canon SFC ending, but other people going with the 'Kursed' ending would see it as canon. Or the 'Fox and Krystal' could be one person's canon ending.

I agree with you. The trouble with the "multiple ending" stuff is that, until a sequel to the game appears (if one ever appears), the series/game fans are left with nothing but speculations as to "which" parts of the game are canon (and if even canon parts exist at all).

As far as I know, many game series had several "non/part-canon" games that simply existed to be purchased by fans (in other words, to simply make money fast). These games allways contained canon elements and characters, but the ending was not canon at all, or at the best it was some sort of "behaind the scenes" game (E.g.: In a canon movie, army X and Y are ready to invade their enemies´ homeworld, yet they must arrive there first. Army X *mysteriously disapears* while traveling to destiny and you do not know what happens to it yet it  *manages to survive* and arrives in time to help army Y invade the planet. Then in a game you are given the option to follow up Army X´s path/route, even through it might not be actually mentioned or seen in the movie...)

Another possibility could be the one where the developers use the fans´ "favourite" ending and build the "sequel" following this up (Thus, if "enough" fans support, for example, the ending where Krystal becomes Kursed, they make the next game from this point).

Personally, those 2 are the main reasons why I dislike multiple endings... Not that I have seen Nintendo doing this, but I have seen this thousands of times and I never liked it at all. Hope they never do any of them.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Slightly OT, but I wish the Angry Video Game Nerd would do a video on SF-Command.  :lol:

[Asper Sarnoff]

Slightly OT, but I wish the Angry Video Game Nerd would do a video on SF-Command. 

Quoted from Cinemassacre.com, the homepage of James Rolfe, the AVGN:

"Are you ever going to review any newer games?

I understand there’s a lot of interest in more recent games, but my show is all about nostalgia. After all, I’m mostly a retro gamer. What’s the first lyric of my theme song? “He’s gonna take you back to the past…” Ask me the same question in 10 years and maybe then, the now current games will get an AVGN treatment."

Afraid you'll have to wait a couple of years Julius.

[StarFoxIII]

Slightly OT, but I wish the Angry Video Game Nerd would do a video on SF-Command. 

Maybe he could do a 3-part special on the Star Fox series as a whole, from Star Fox on the SNES to Command on the DS.

Quoted from Cinemassacre.com, the homepage of James Rolfe, the AVGN:

"Are you ever going to review any newer games?

I understand there’s a lot of interest in more recent games, but my show is all about nostalgia. After all, I’m mostly a retro gamer. What’s the first lyric of my theme song? “He’s gonna take you back to the past…” Ask me the same question in 10 years and maybe then, the now current games will get an AVGN treatment."

Afraid you'll have to wait a couple of years Julius.

Not always the case, Asper. The Nerd has sometimes reviewed more recent games, like in his Godzilla review (he reviews X-Box and PS2 Godzilla games) and in one of his Christmas specials (where he reviewed the Wii), so there is a possibility that the Nerd could review Star Fox Command.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Quoted from Cinemassacre.com, the homepage of James Rolfe, the AVGN:

"Are you ever going to review any newer games?

I understand there’s a lot of interest in more recent games, but my show is all about nostalgia. After all, I’m mostly a retro gamer. What’s the first lyric of my theme song? “He’s gonna take you back to the past…” Ask me the same question in 10 years and maybe then, the now current games will get an AVGN treatment."

Afraid you'll have to wait a couple of years Julius.

damn...

Maybe he could do a 3-part special on the Star Fox series as a whole, from Star Fox on the SNES to Command on the DS.

Not always the case, Asper. The Nerd has sometimes reviewed more recent games, like in his Godzilla review (he reviews X-Box and PS2 Godzilla games) and in one of his Christmas specials (where he reviewed the Wii), so there is a possibility that the Nerd could review Star Fox Command.

cool! I hope so!

[Asper Sarnoff]

Not always the case, Asper. The Nerd has sometimes reviewed more recent games, like in his Godzilla review (he reviews X-Box and PS2 Godzilla games) and in one of his Christmas specials (where he reviewed the Wii), so there is a possibility that the Nerd could review Star Fox Command.

Not impossible. But I'd say it would be more of an exception than a rule. Besides, I bet Rolfe has got his hands full with requests almost all the time as it is.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I'll bet one of the reasons people don't want Command to be canon is 'cause of the sad ending(s) of the story line, many of which "paint the series/story into a corner", not leaving room for potential to continue the series/storyline, especially for another game (which is probably why Cuthbert and Miyamoto decided not to make Command canon)...

[Guest FoXXX]

I'll bet one of the reasons people don't want Command to be canon is 'cause of the sad ending(s) of the story line, many of which "paint the series/story into a corner", not leaving room for potential to continue the series/storyline, especially for another game (which is probably why Cuthbert and Miyamoto decided not to make Command canon)...

^This

The endings were really sad, some of them Krystal left Fox. Also the ending where they have a son, pfftt, I don't want them to have kids! I want them to always be the SF team

Another reason is Peppy is the general and no longer part of SF, gay.

The whole team disbands at the beginning of the game, wtf were they thinking with?

I'd just be happy if they left it out of canon.

[Mr. Krystal]

I wouldn't have cared so much, except that the endings were self-defeating. In 64, there's a real ending, and a fake ending (that's very much like the real ending). Everyone knows what the ending is supposed to be. In Command, there's no distinction: all endings are equally "real" and they are completely unrelated. Thus it has resulted in splits: those who like this ending, those who like that ending, those who don't know, etc. You can't have them all be real, since they are incompatible with each other.

[StarFoxIII]

Star Fox Command is a bungled up mess of continuity in the cannon. It has a bunch of shitty, depressing endings that makes it's status on the cannon questionable and it divides fans on whether or not Command is canon. I also question the notion held by some people that it is the chronological end of the road for the Star Fox series, and under that logic Command is a lousy sob story of an ending to the series with it's emo story and endings, of which I wipe my ass on. In my eyes, Command therefore does'nt seem canon to me.

[StarFoxIII]

Not impossible. But I'd say it would be more of an exception than a rule.

That's exactly what I was trying to point out. There are exceptions to the rule of sticking to older games and Rolfe has made this exception a few times in the past. I hope he makes this the case with Star Fox !

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I wouldn't have cared so much, except that the endings were self-defeating. In 64, there's a real ending, and a fake ending (that's very much like the real ending). Everyone knows what the ending is supposed to be. In Command, there's no distinction: all endings are equally "real" and they are completely unrelated. Thus it has resulted in splits: those who like this ending, those who like that ending, those who don't know, etc. You can't have them all be real, since they are incompatible with each other.

Totally!

Star Fox Command is a bungled up mess of continuity in the cannon. It has a bunch of shitty, depressing endings that makes it's status on the cannon questionable and it divides fans on whether or not Command is canon. I also question the notion held by some people that it is the chronological end of the road for the Star Fox series, and under that logic Command is a lousy sob story of an ending to the series with it's emo story and endings, of which I wipe my ass on. In my eyes, Command therefore does'nt seem canon to me.

I heard that!

I'd rather have a buffalo take a diarrhea dump in my ear than for SF-Command to be declared/considered canon.  :wink:

[StarFoxIII]

I'd rather have a buffalo take a diarrhea dump in my ear than for SF-Command to be declared/considered canon. 

Amen to that!

[Falcory]

All the endings can't be cannon, can they?

^ This

The main story of Command I consider canon for now. I say for now, because personally I think Nintendo is going to ignore that tittle and just start the next game off sometime after Assault.

Slightly OT, but I wish the Angry Video Game Nerd would do a video on SF-Command. 

It would have to be something other than just that game though, like....the plot holes. If he talked about the plot holes in Starfox. He would have to talk about all the games though not just one.