Star Fox: The Next Generation Chapter 1

[Kursed]

Krystal helped Fox into the hanger next to her Stachaser. "The middle engine has been giving me problems I think maybe a power cable coudl be loose ,but whatevers goign on is reducing my speed without that middle engine  i've lost at  least 30 percent speed."Krystal asked examingin the middle engine on the back  the back was a monstrous piece of metal which held three Cerinina Ion thrust engines."The thrust vector seems to work  I'm just not getting Full power on it  You think you could help me Fox I've learned to repair this thing myself ,but I need a hand."

Alex soon entered the twilight of space, she moved the Wolfen into orbit pushing the throttle to full now that she was in space and free to move around.

[Tiberius]

Odin sent him a sly smile in response. "I let Alex borrow it." He studied Tiberius Arwing closely. It was an entire different beast than his Wolfen. More understated in some way, one of the reasons Andross had opted for the reversed wings on the original Wolfen was not only to make it less stable and thus more manouverable, but also to give it a threatening siluette. And it had worked. There were countless tales of entire squadrons which had turned tail when they spotted the four Wolfens in the horizon. During the Lylat wars, Wolfens had been synomynous with Starwolf. The best pilots on the Venomian side.

The Arwing was considerably smaller than the Wolfen, and thus more manouverable, nippier, easier to fly on the jagged edge. He figured they could take just as much a beating as the Wolfen, which tough it was bigger and better armored, had many vulnerable wings that could drastically reduce its manoverability once damaged.

Where the Wolfen had the edge tough was thrust. It had a higher cruising speed, and could achieve that speed faster than the Arwing. it climbed a lot faster as well. Something he had learned to value during his training sessions, both in the simulators and for real.

"Don't scratch up my ship when you inevitable start playing around with each other." He grumbled as he turned over to have a closer look of some of the other vehicles in the hangar. He wasn't an experienced engineer yet, but he was definatively a gearhead, and always read every book about the subject he could get his claws on.

(great. a temptation for a contest. I may have not made it known, but this isn't the Arwing from Assault or Command. It's a completely new one.)

"Right.." he said, sounding a little irritated. He stepped away after checking the last thing and walked on off to the lounge.

"Sure." said Fox. He got a little closer and inspected it himself. No noticeable damage. There may have been an overload at some point in time that fried cables on the inside, but he couldn't determine the actual cause just yet.

[Kursed]

Sticking her head into the middle engines she looked around "Aha I found the problem...Do you have  electrospanner and some fiber-optic wire?"Krystal asked her head still in the engine thank goodness the ship was locked down many inexperienced engineers lost their life not remembering to lock the ship down in the off position while checking the engine intakes or outputs.

[Asper Sarnoff]

(great. a temptation for a contest. I may have not made it known, but this isn't the Arwing from Assault or Command. It's a completely new one.)

(Well aware of that, so is the Wolfen, which in addition has had it's engines worked over to give an even more insane power advantage. I'll give the Arwing the manoverability advantage, as long as I can keep my Wolfen top gun on thrust. Nothing against that I hope?)

[Kursed]

(Well aware of that, so is the Wolfen, which in addition has had it's engines worked over to give an even more insane power advantage. I'll give the Arwing the manoverability advantage, as long as I can keep my Wolfen top gun on thrust. Nothing against that I hope?)

(you've got thrust If I've got armor and Firepower as the starchaser has four cannons)

[Tiberius]

(Well aware of that, so is the Wolfen, which in addition has had it's engines worked over to give an even more insane power advantage. I'll give the Arwing the manoverability advantage, as long as I can keep my Wolfen top gun on thrust. Nothing against that I hope?)

(yes, I do. Starwolf steals their tech. Not invents. That's what Tiberius did. He invented the power system and design. Slippy maxed out the structural capability of the engine. The armor isn't as strong as an Arwing. That is the advantage it has. It's up to the skill of the pilot to not die in an Arwing. I said that at least once before. The Wolfen also has more powerful weaponry until it comes to bombs, which aren't smart to use in a dogfight anyway)

Fox handed Krystal the electrospanner and fiberoptics. He waited for her to come out when she was done.

[Kursed]

(yes, I do. Starwolf steals their tech. Not invents. That's what Tiberius did. He invented the power system and design. Slippy maxed out the structural capability of the engine. The armor isn't as strong as an Arwing. That is the advantage it has. It's up to the skill of the pilot to not die in an Arwing. I said that at least once before. The Wolfen also has more powerful weaponry until it comes to bombs, which aren't smart to use in a dogfight anyway)

Fox handed Krystal the electrospanner and fiberoptics. He waited for her to come out when she was done.

Krystal took the two items fox gave her and fixed the cable in the engine that was the problem. "there do I look alright?"She asked not noticing the big black streak across her forehead strands of her hair were also black.

[Tiberius]

Fox licked his thumb and wiped off the long black streak. "There." he said.

[Kursed]

Fox licked his thumb and wiped off the long black streak. "There." he said.

"right move away Fox I'm going to start the thing up these Ion thrust engines have alot of thrust ,but the large body even's it out." Krystal explained as she walked aroudn the engine block of the starchaser  and towards the cockpit.

[Tiberius]

He gets to a safe spot and waits.

[Kursed]

Making sure the g-diffuser brake was on and the bases clamp was securely on her fighter , Krystal started up the Starchaser it's three engines roared to life, they died down a minute later, Krystal jumped out of the cockpit ,locking the fighter  up before walking to Fox she kissed him "Now where?"She asked.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Cliff and Attila hung out in the rec room.

Cliff found a guitar in the corner, he picked it up, strummed it, and began to sing

"When I'm on a public transport or on the street

There's a lotta famous people that I'd like to meet.

They shake my hand and never ask my name,

and they start asking questions that are always the same!

HEY!

'What's Fox McCloud like?'

He's nice!

'What's Fox McCloud like?'

Nice guy!

'What's Fox McCloud like?'

He's an alien!

Stop askin' me the questions!

Well I went to the birthday party of my cousin Ti',

Now I hardly see him, but I like that little guy!

Well, I relaxed, and enjoyed the day,

That's until the other guests came to me to say

HEY!

'Do you really hate manure?'

YES!

'Do you really hate manure?'

YES!

'Do you really hate manure?'

Weren't you listening?

Stop asking me the questions!

'Can we take your picture?'

'C'mon, look mean!'

'Would you call my friend a "butthead" on his answering machine!?'

Questions, questions, they fill my head!

I went to my doctor, my doctor said

HEY!

'What does a CDF General Do?'

Runs the CDF!

'What does a mercenary do?'

Helps the CDF

'What do the scientists do?'

I don't know!

Stop asking all the questions!

HEY!

'Do you all hang out together?'

No we don't!

'How's Falco Lombardi?'

...Never talk to him!

'Star Fox for the Wii?'

Not happenin'!

Stop asking me the questions!

HEY!

'Who's the nicest famous person you know?'

Krystal McCloud!

'Who is the biggest jerk?'

Wolf O' Donnell!

'How much money do you make?'

More than you do!

So stop askin' me the questions!"

[Kursed]

Hey Fox I found some music I liked while flying want to listen to it?"Krystal asked motioning towards the Starchasers cockpit.

[Tiberius]

"Sure." said Fox. He hopped in, thinking she would get in with him.

[Kursed]

"Umm I kinda wanted you to sit on  me ,but i guess that works."Krystal said jumping in she sat on Fox's lap pressing the play button on her radio as the cockpit closed. Music

[Asper Sarnoff]

(yes, I do. Starwolf steals their tech. Not invents. That's what Tiberius did. He invented the power system and design. Slippy maxed out the structural capability of the engine. The armor isn't as strong as an Arwing. That is the advantage it has. It's up to the skill of the pilot to not die in an Arwing. I said that at least once before. The Wolfen also has more powerful weaponry until it comes to bombs, which aren't smart to use in a dogfight anyway)

Fox handed Krystal the electrospanner and fiberoptics. He waited for her to come out when she was done.

(I'm pretty sure Andross fiddled around enough with the first generation to make it quite different from its orgin. And it has been developed on from there. Wolf isn't stupid, he wouldn't let Starfox get a superior fighter, so he would definatively make sure the Wolfen was updated regularly.

I'm using simple logic here, the Wolfen is clearly the more agressive fighter, which means it's faster and have deadlier weapons, while sacrificing armor, manoverability, and it is a lot harder to control.)

(you've got thrust If I've got armor and Firepower as the starchaser has four cannons)

(Fine by me, but that kind of arnament and armor will make the Starchaser heavy and less manouverable.

It is necesary that we keep the various fighter crafts balanced, each have their strenghts and weaknessees, but they must all be balanced.)

[Kursed]

(I'm pretty sure Andross fiddled around enough with the first generation to make it quite different from its orgin. And it has been developed on from there. Wolf isn't stupid, he wouldn't let Starfox get a superior fighter, so he would definatively make sure the Wolfen was updated regularly.

I'm using simple logic here, the Wolfen is clearly the more agressive fighter, which means it's faster and have deadlier weapons, while sacrificing armor, manoverability, and it is a lot harder to control.)

(Fine by me, but that kind of arnament and armor will make the Starchaser heavy and less manouverable.

It is necesary that we keep the various fighter crafts balanced, each have their strenghts and weaknessees, but they must all be balanced.)

it's got three engines ,plus  weight doesn't matter in space where there is almost no gravity.

[Asper Sarnoff]

it's got three engines ,plus  weight doesn't matter in space where there is almost no gravity.

(The number of engines doesn't necesarily have anything to do with how fast a craft is. But there is no way from getting around that a more heavily armed and armored fighter will be less nimble, even where there is little gravity.

If not, imagine the Death Star do a handbrake turn and continue in the other way in a split second. Simply not possible.

Actually, to settle the stats for our fighters before this turn into an argument, I suggest we each get a number of points we can spend on filling out a chart and post.

I took the liberty of creating one, maximum five points in each category, and a maximum of 15 total.

Thrust(acceleration, climbing and top speed.):

Mavouverability(How sharp can it pitch, yaw and roll, and how stable it is.):

Firepower(Payload and weaponry):

Defense(Armor and overall sturdiness):

Does that sounds fine?)

[Kursed]

(i suppose.

Thrust(acceleration, climbing and top speed.):3

Mavouverability(How sharp can it pitch, yaw and roll, and how stable it is.):4

Firepower(Payload and weaponry):4

Defense(Armor and overall sturdiness):5

[Asper Sarnoff]

(Here is the one for the "Dragon". I'd say a normal Wolfen has one less in thrust and one higher in manoverability, due to the added weight of the modified engine.

Thrust:*****

Manouverability:***

Firepower:****

Defense:***)

[Kursed]

(Here is the one for the "Dragon". I'd say a normal Wolfen has one less in thrust and one higher in manoverability, due to the added weight of the modified engine.

Thrust:*****

Manouverability:***

Firepower:****

Defense:***)

(kRystal starchaser is a standard model it can be upgraded with a torpedo/bomb or missle/ bomb launcher  in which case it would bring the firepower stat up to 5 ,but she doesn't have either installed at the moment.)

[Asper Sarnoff]

(kRystal starchaser is a standard model it can be upgraded with a torpedo/bomb or missle/ bomb launcher  in which case it would bring the firepower stat up to 5 ,but she doesn't have either installed at the moment.)

(But then, that would have to have a negative effect on the handling of the craft, or if they are not very well armored, the defense. Total of 15 you know.)

[Kursed]

(But then, that would have to have a negative effect on the handling of the craft, or if they are not very well armored, the defense. Total of 15 you know.)

(I don't think  a ranking system is going to work.. i'm not complaining... about your fighter at all I know a wolfen is built for speed a power like a Star wars A-wing while  a arwing is build for manuervabilty like a x-wing

[Tiberius]

(I'm pretty sure Andross fiddled around enough with the first generation to make it quite different from its orgin. And it has been developed on from there. Wolf isn't stupid, he wouldn't let Starfox get a superior fighter, so he would definatively make sure the Wolfen was updated regularly.

I'm using simple logic here, the Wolfen is clearly the more agressive fighter, which means it's faster and have deadlier weapons, while sacrificing armor, manoverability, and it is a lot harder to control.)

(Fine by me, but that kind of arnament and armor will make the Starchaser heavy and less manouverable.

It is necesary that we keep the various fighter crafts balanced, each have their strenghts and weaknessees, but they must all be balanced.)

(You're not getting the point. At all. This is a different fighter than the old Arwing. The over all look is the same. But it'smore streamlined and thinner. Other than that, it's a completely new Arwing. No one else knows about it. In other words, I invented a new type of Arwing. It's my little invention, and you're messing around with it. I dont like that.)

Old Arwing: Slower than Wolfen, Less Powerful than Wolfen, Less Armored than Wolfen, More maneuverable than Wolfen, Easier to learn than Wolfen, had bombs while Wolfen didnt, less weak spots than Wolfen

My Arwing: Faster, More maneuverable, Less powerful, Less armored, harder to learn to fly, doesnt have bombs. Has missiles. less weak spots.

(Only two changes. Whop de doo.)

[Showtime 1-1]

(perhaps we can agree that each fighter, with it's pilot included in consideration, is fairly evenly matched, and it will come down to circumstance, luck and teamwork to determine the outcome of a battle (I find this is more often the deciding factor then technology). That being said, we should lay down some basic guidelines, especially for maneuverability and speed, which are the real deciding factors in a dogfight, since weapons are variable, and armor on fighters is only effective to a certain degree.

@Kursed, the mass of a craft is still very important, even in a zero gravity, because you always require a greater amount of force to accelerate a mass (F=MA). Of course, having a G-diffuser will help in that situation, but that's another lecture...

I always thought that the Arwing was an all-rounder (F-18, if you'll allow such a reference), the Wolfen was a tricky, unforgiving hot-rod (MiG-23/29), and I'd think the Starchaser is a big, heavy fighter which uses brute force, sort of an F-15. I designed the StarCat to be built for speed and firepower, retrofitted with armor and G-diffusers to make it sort of a hack, but that's countered by unreliability and being extremely demanding, like the F-14A.

Thrust: ******* (legendarily fast)

Maneuverability: **** (Can be out-turned by Wolfens and Arwings)

Firepower: *** (average, specialized for taking out large, slow targets)

Defense: (No energy shields, very easily damaged)

You know, I think this might merit it's won discussion thread...)