I started a petition! SAVE STAR FOX

[Guest FoXXX]

I second what Mr. K has already said. I've got a feeling that a new game is indeed in the works.

A fan pettition can't do anything about getting Nintendo to start or greatly influence such a large project as future SF game.

Let's resort to patience. It will come, sooner or later.

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Okay, where is it? Not here?... DISSAPOINTED!!!

I'm alright with waiting a while, but not for another SFC :|

[Mr. Foxer]

Here's a nice little chart I found

Right, so the sales of Star Fox Assault went down about 56% compared to the sales of Star Fox Adventures, then from Star Fox Assault to Command was about 16%, based on this, the sales of a new Star Fox would be around 0.25 million units sold. Think of a game as a tv show, if it doesn't get high enough ratings and isn't very popular any more, they are going to take it off the air, or in this case, the market.

Convinced now?

[Fox-Shot]

Here's a nice little chart I found

Right, so the sales of Star Fox Assault went down about 56% compared to the sales of Star Fox Adventures, then from Star Fox Assault to Command was about 16%, based on this, the sales of a new Star Fox would be around 0.25 million units sold. Think of a game as a tv show, if it doesn't get high enough ratings and isn't very popular any more, they are going to take it off the air, or in this case, the market.

Convinced now?

Note the fact that every game after 64 was a third party game and everyone knew it.

[Mr. Foxer]

Define "everyone"

[Guest FoXXX]

Note the fact that every game after 64 was a third party game and everyone knew it.

SFC was made by the same people who made SF64 D:

How could they do this?

[Fox-Shot]

SFC was made by the same people who made SF64 D:

How could they do this?

Actually, you meant to say the people who made Starfox SNES.  Some people from Argonaut software worked with Q Games.  and you may have notices there weren't any other brands on Starfox 64 other than Nintendo, this new game should only have Nintendo on it, or perhaps HAL if they just can't make the game themselves.

[Guest FoXXX]

Actually, you meant to say the people who made Starfox SNES.  Some people from Argonaut software worked with Q Games.  and you may have notices there weren't any other brands on Starfox 64 other than Nintendo, this new game should only have Nintendo on it, or perhaps HAL if they just can't make the game themselves.

I thought they made SF SNES, SF64, and Command

[Mr. Foxer]

I thought they made SF SNES, SF64, and Command

SF1 - Nintendo EAD

Argonaut Software

SF64 - Nintendo EAD

SFC - Q-Games

[Guest FoXXX]

SF1 - Nintendo EAD

Argonaut Software

SF64 - Nintendo EAD

SFC - Q-Games

But Dylan Cuthbert say he helped make 3?

[Fox-Shot]

But Dylan Cuthbert say he helped make 3?

That's what I was trying to say.

[Guest FoXXX]

That's what I was trying to say.

They interviewed him a while ago and he said that.

[DZComposer]

Here's a nice little chart I found

Right, so the sales of Star Fox Assault went down about 56% compared to the sales of Star Fox Adventures, then from Star Fox Assault to Command was about 16%, based on this, the sales of a new Star Fox would be around 0.25 million units sold. Think of a game as a tv show, if it doesn't get high enough ratings and isn't very popular any more, they are going to take it off the air, or in this case, the market.

Convinced now?

This graph proves nothing. All it shows is that SFAd and SFC failed to break 1,000,000 units. Both of these games have their issues that have been noted by critics and fans alike.

Plus, a temporary slide in sales doesn't mean death.

Let's look at Zelda and Star Fox together:

Note that both series have their ups and downs. Note the time between OoT and TP. By your logic, Zelda was dead in 2005. Also note that the console Zelda's have a similar drop from the N64 era to the GCN era, just as SF does. This was that "dark age" for Nintendo. TP was a damn-good Zelda game, and was the only one besides OoT to break the 7,000,000 mark. A damn-good Star Fox game would add a similar spike to the chart.

I don't dispute that Star Fox is on a downward trend, but I feel that it is reversible with the correct investment.

Also, treating handheld sales on-par with console sales is misleading, as they are different markets. Note that I separated them in my chart. Notice how the handheld Zeldas significantly underperform the console ones? Also, note that the two "Oracle of" games are totaled together for this graph, as it is year based and they released simultaneously. Since we only have one data point for SF handhelds, a comparison to Zelda's handheld sales is not possible.

Basically, if you weight it properly, it is possible that SFC actually outperformed SFAs. I don't know that for sure, though, I'd need some overall software sales trends on Nintendo handhelds and consoles both to figure the weights.

[Guest FoXXX]

This graph proves nothing. All it shows is that SFAd and SFC failed to break 1,000,000 units. Both of these games have their issues that have been noted by critics and fans alike.

Plus, a temporary slide in sales doesn't mean death.

Let's look at Zelda and Star Fox together:

Note that both series have their ups and downs. Note the time between OoT and TP. By your logic, Zelda was dead in 2005. Also note that the console Zelda's have a similar drop from the N64 era to the GCN era, just as SF does. This was that "dark age" for Nintendo. TP was a damn-good Zelda game, and was the only one besides OoT to break the 7,000,000 mark. A damn-good Star Fox game would add a similar spike to the chart.

I don't dispute that Star Fox is on a downward trend, but I feel that it is reversible with the correct investment.

Also, treating handheld sales on-par with console sales is misleading, as they are different markets. Note that I separated them in my chart. Notice how the handheld Zeldas significantly underperform the console ones? Also, note that the two "Oracle of" games are totaled together for this graph, as it is year based and they released simultaneously. Since we only have one data point for SF handhelds, a comparison to Zelda's handheld sales is not possible.

Basically, if you weight it properly, it is possible that SFC actually outperformed SFAs. I don't know that for sure, though, I'd need some overall software sales trends on Nintendo handhelds and consoles both to figure the weights.

Nice graph, SF started going down hill after SF64...

[Mr. Foxer]

Why are you comparing Zelda to Star Fox?

[DZComposer]

Because nobody in their right mind would argue that Zelda is dying. The comparison is mainly to note that there are ups and downs, and that playing with percentages can be dangerous.

Look at the graph as a whole, and you'll also notice that both series experienced significant drops in sales for the same time periods, namely the Late N64/Gamecube generation. IE, look ad SF64 and OoT, and then look at SFAd and Wind Waker.

I also wanted to point out that using the raw sales data from SFC as a comparison to the other games, which are in a different market, is fallacious. You can see the sales difference between handheld and console Zeldas.

In business, analysis is important, not just raw numbers. When you compare the trends of the two series, until their latest games, the had similar graph shapes. When compared, Star Fox doesn't look as if it is as dire shape as it appears based on it's sole numbers.

Now, I admit there are numbers that I don't have, and this is certainly not a scientific analysis, but I think I've demonstrated that when you look at more data, you can see patterns better.

[Guest FoXXX]

Because nobody in their right mind would argue that Zelda is dying. The comparison is mainly to note that there are ups and downs, and that playing with percentages can be dangerous.

Look at the graph as a whole, and you'll also notice that both series experienced significant drops in sales for the same time periods, namely the Late N64/Gamecube generation. IE, look ad SF64 and OoT, and then look at SFAd and Wind Waker.

I also wanted to point out that using the raw sales data from SFC as a comparison to the other games, which are in a different market, is fallacious. You can see the sales difference between handheld and console Zeldas.

In business, analysis is important, not just raw numbers. When you compare the trends of the two series, until their latest games, the had similar graph shapes. When compared, Star Fox doesn't look as if it is as dire shape as it appears based on it's sole numbers.

Now, I admit there are numbers that I don't have, and this is certainly not a scientific analysis, but I think I've demonstrated that when you look at more data, you can see patterns better.

Hopefully the next SF game will do better than the previous 2 titles...

[Mr. Foxer]

How many people do you see talking about Star Fox over Zelda?

[DZComposer]

Uhm... That is not my point. My point is that during the time between SF64 and SFAs, both series had a large percentage sales drop. This also happens to be the time that Nintendo entered a "dark age" of sorts, full of rumors of the big N going the way of Sega.

I brought it up to point out that the data you cited was not enough to declare Star Fox dead, especially when data for Zelda, which no one is claiming is dead, also suffered severe sales drops in that time period.

Of course, the difference is that TP was a home run, and SFAs was a bunt to third.

But one dud doesn't spell doom. Look at Majora's Mask, sold less than any other Zelda console game.

I also wanted to point out that SFC is dubious to include with the other SF games without some weighting to compensate for the handled market being different than the console market.

[Asper Sarnoff]

While Majora's Mask sold a lot less than its predecessor, OoT, it was still "only" about half a million sold games behind SF64, which was the most sold SF game ever. It still seld in droves, even if it couldn't match OoT.

While the SF graph obviously has fallen quite a lot since its glory days, I do think that tendency is possible to turn around if Nintendo "Quit screwing around, do something!", work hard and make a great game. It still have a lot of unused potential, and I doubt Nintendo would be so stupid to ignore that.