the lylat hotel RP Discussion

[Fluxy]

Right. So how does lulzing about a hotel equal a story with scenarios tying the characters together, and more to the point why does IT deserve to go on indefinitely while the deeper, more imaginative RPs get limited and put on a timer?

In all fairness, The hotel is just a recreational one people use to have fun. Role playing for some is really fun, and entertaining in their own ways. So a nice relaxed RP like this, with the sudden case of some drama, it makes it really nice.

And, it can help those who are new to RP'ing a chance to have some experience in posting it, and common interactions before getting into a more serious plot based one.

[Milkyway64]

So what you two are saying is that you like this particular one, so it shouldn't "count" for the rules. All you have said is you like the chaotic nonsense this one brings, that means nothing about why it should be allowed to exist indefinitely while the others are forced by a time limit and goal.

Besides that, I'd argue that this sort of RP is, by far, the WORST type for new people to get into it. It has no discipline or structure. It's just crazy, spammy, spur of the moment soap opera bull with very little connection to the other players. As much as I feel I should read through it to make sure before saying this, I just can't help but think that this RP is lacking in about everything that can make a good RP, well, good. It's cluttered, spammy, disinvolved, and honestly while that may be fun, it's distracting and annoying as far as attention to the other RP's go. And this is all on top of it's blatant exemption from the rules.

[Kid_Cortet]

In all fairness, The hotel is just a recreational one people use to have fun. Role playing for some is really fun, and entertaining in their own ways. So a nice relaxed RP like this, with the sudden case of some drama, it makes it really nice.

And, it can help those who are new to RP'ing a chance to have some experience in posting it, and common interactions before getting into a more serious plot based one.

I agree with this....besides I am into drama rps....more then fighting rps.....and as Nick said, it is best for beginners. I am a beginner to Forum Rp.....so going there helped me a lot.

[Guest Mr. Mario]

Well, Cornerian Bar 3 doesn't seem to be active...

[Milkyway64]

I agree with this....besides I am into drama rps....more then fighting rps.....and as Nick said, it is best for beginners. I am a beginner to Forum Rp.....so going there helped me a lot.

Only it's not. It's "best for beginners" in the same way instant respawn 32-man 2fort is in Team Fortress 2. Sure, it's mindless and carefree but it'll develop bad habits and won't really cover much besides "Do random things HERE!"

Secondly, this still addresses none of the points I made above.

[Kid_Cortet]

Only it's not. It's "best for beginners" in the same way instant respawn 32-man 2fort is in Team Fortress 2. Sure, it's mindless and carefree but it'll develop bad habits and won't really cover much besides "Do random things HERE!"

Secondly, this still addresses none of the points I made above.

Random = freedom....the characters are able to be who they are, not forced to conform into a certain category.

[ballisticwaffles]

Guys he does have a point. The hotel is chaotic with no sense of order rhyme or reason. For someones first Rp to almost be literraly at random is not the sort of thing we should encorage. And why should the hotel exist forever when their is plenty of other very interesting RP's passed over because the hotel exists?

[Kid_Cortet]

here is the thing....if you don't like it....don't go to it......simple as that....if you do...then go!

[Fluxy]

So what you two are saying is that you like this particular one, so it shouldn't "count" for the rules. All you have said is you like the chaotic nonsense this one brings, that means nothing about why it should be allowed to exist indefinitely while the others are forced by a time limit and goal.

Besides that, I'd argue that this sort of RP is, by far, the WORST type for new people to get into it. It has no discipline or structure. It's just crazy, spammy, spur of the moment soap opera bull with very little connection to the other players. As much as I feel I should read through it to make sure before saying this, I just can't help but think that this RP is lacking in about everything that can make a good RP, well, good. It's cluttered, spammy, disinvolved, and honestly while that may be fun, it's distracting and annoying as far as attention to the other RP's go. And this is all on top of it's blatant exemption from the rules.

Whoa whoa. I never said anything about it not counting for the rules. I never commented on that part. If you are going to say I said something, get it right.

I am not going to debate about this anymore, all I am going to leave it at is that it sounds that people just having some fun is really bothering you. Take it to a mod so you can get what it is sounding like you want, which is for the hotel to be gone. That's all I have left to say.

[Arashikage]

Look, why are you complaining about this RP if you aren't even in it?  It doesn't make any sense to me.  If there really was a problem this RP wouldn't have worked out in the first place.  If you don't like it there's no sense in going and complaining about it on the discussion page

[Milkyway64]

Random = freedom....the characters are able to be who they are, not forced to conform into a certain category.

Not necessarily. Characters can be who they are in other RPs and it allows them room to grow. It adds experiences for them and new situations forcing the player to think from their character's mind in. A random hotel scenario, while being more "free," is again very disconnected. There is no harmony, it's just them doing their own thing. It lacks discipline, order, and co-operative action. The only thing it has to teach is that you can play as a character.

And again, this has NOTHING TO DO with my point about the rules.

Whoa whoa. I never said anything about it not counting for the rules. I never commented on that part. If you are going to say I said something, get it right.

I am not going to debate about this anymore, all I am going to leave it at is that it sounds that people just having some fun is really bothering you. Take it to a mod so you can get what it is sounding like you want, which is for the hotel to be gone. That's all I have left to say.

My apologies, but with all due respect it's rude to put words in my mouth directly after telling me not to do the same. That said, I'm not against people having fun, I'm against bias in who gets to have fun compared to whomever else and whether or not it's fair for this to be happening. I've yet to get a single good point on why it is fair, only "lol its fun and gewd practice so stop hatin!"

Look, why are you complaining about this RP if you aren't even in it?  It doesn't make any sense to me.  If there really was a problem this RP wouldn't have worked out in the first place.  If you don't like it there's no sense in going and complaining about it on the discussion page

I hate repeating myself. Why do you people act like I have to be involved to have an opinion? No, I can without being directly involved because, again, all I'd have to do to make my opinion "count" is walk into the hotel and be all cliched mysterious in the shadows. My opinion stems to it's impact on SFO's RP community as a whole. It draws attention away from everything else like a Jeigan does EXP in fire emblem and ISN'T FOLLOWING THE VERY RULES THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE. It's unfair to the other RPs and it's "use" as being a good starting point even is questionable for what I mentioned above. May I also add that it's activity would be thoroughly overwhelming to new players? Their posts would get swallowed instantly and forgotten under the rapidly replenishing supply of new ones. It is NOT for casual RPing if you want to be anything more than a nobody.

[Arashikage]

We have yet to forget someone on this RP.  I make it a point to read every post that goes on in the RP and try my best to interact when someone new joins or interacts with my characters.  It's a community operated RP and I'll have you know, it was started a long time ago, before some of the rules we have now.  Besides, we can't just take down an entire RP, it just isn't done, especially one this popular.  It's getting more and more people to post daily and making SF-O even more popular

[Fluxy]

My apologies, but with all due respect it's rude to put words in my mouth directly after telling me not to do the same. That said, I'm not against people having fun, I'm against bias in who gets to have fun compared to whomever else and whether or not it's fair for this to be happening. I've yet to get a single good point on why it is fair, only "lol its fun and gewd practice so stop hatin!"

all I am going to leave it at is that it sounds that people just having some fun is really bothering you.

There was a difference from what you said, and what I said [As made clear from the bold part]. =/ I never said you said it, just said that is what it sounds like, which you have done in the past to me, and I have not called you out on. I was in no way putting words in your mouth.

[ballisticwaffles]

There was a difference from what you said, and what I said [As made clear from the bold part]. =/ I never said you said it, just said that is what it sounds like, which you have done in the past to me, and I have not called you out on. I was in no way putting words in your mouth.

Let us not start basing our arguements on the content of other peoples messages, i do believe both of you got the point across.

[Milkyway64]

We have yet to forget someone on this RP.  I make it a point to read every post that goes on in the RP and try my best to interact when someone new joins or interacts with my characters.  It's a community operated RP and I'll have you know, it was started a long time ago, before some of the rules we have now.  Besides, we can't just take down an entire RP, it just isn't done, especially one this popular.  It's getting more and more people to post daily and making SF-O even more popular

It's dated back to January 2010. That's NOT horribly old, and it's whopping 15,000 posts suggest that unless you REALLY just have that much free time, you can't keep up with every little thing everyone does. Second, community operated? I thought that SFO had some odd rule where moderators were in control, not, you know, the GM, so there's another rule broken. Thirdly, it's popular, but only because there IS no guidelines and you can just waste time. And no, it's not making SFO more popular. Show me one person who came and stayed for the Lylat Hotel specifically. Show me how lulzing about in a random RP topic is improving the site as a whole. If anything, assuming it is a catalyst in bringing posts to this site, it's just cluttering the topic more, making it even more newbie unfriendly and harder to follow and organize by everyone involved.

Let us not start basing our arguements on the content of other peoples messages, i do believe both of you got the point across.

Agreed. Now if we can just get over that and start talking about the actual matter, please?

[Fluxy]

Let us not start basing our arguements on the content of other peoples messages, i do believe both of you got the point across.

Understandable. I have been willing to stop when others are as well. I just don't want points that I feel are wrong, or misinterpreted to go noticed and make it seem like I am just avoiding the point to show I know I am wrong or something along those lines.

Agreed. Now if we can just get over that and start talking about the actual matter, please?

We have been stating opinions. If you tell us what you see the matter is, then we can get on it. Although, as I said before, it is not like debating it with us will help you with whatever you are trying to get out of it in the long run if you are trying to get it stopped.

[ballisticwaffles]

It's dated back to January 2010. That's NOT horribly old, and it's whopping 15,000 posts suggest that unless you REALLY just have that much free time, you can't keep up with every little thing everyone does. Second, community operated? I thought that SFO had some odd rule where moderators were in control, not, you know, the GM, so there's another rule broken. Thirdly, it's popular, but only because there IS no guidelines and you can just waste time. And no, it's not making SFO more popular. Show me one person who came and stayed for the Lylat Hotel specifically. Show me how lulzing about in a random RP topic is improving the site as a whole. If anything, assuming it is a catalyst in bringing posts to this site, it's just cluttering the topic more, making it even more newbie unfriendly and harder to follow and organize by everyone involved.

Agreed. Now if we can just get over that and start talking about the actual matter, please?

Ummm. i was actually brought over for the lylat, but since then i have expanded, sooo...one really.

[Arashikage]

What actual matter?  Last I checked it was just you flaming about the RP.  If it bothers you that badly, why don't you just go somewhere else?  I don't see how ONE FREAKIN RP that you AREN'T EVEN A PART OF can work you up so much.  and when I said community operated, I meant that the community helps keep things under control as well as the mods, if the mods say we need to do something there are people that will help make sure it gets done.

And just look at Fedora, he came for the hotel

[Milkyway64]

What actual matter?  Last I checked it was just you flaming about the RP.  If it bothers you that badly, why don't you just go somewhere else?  I don't see how ONE FREAKIN RP that you AREN'T EVEN A PART OF can work you up so much.  and when I said community operated, I meant that the community helps keep things under control as well as the mods, if the mods say we need to do something there are people that will help make sure it gets done.

The actual matter I and Robert has brought up since page 9. That's not flaming, it's perfectly fair questions about this RP and why it's allowed to get away with so much. It has NOTHING going for it except an assload of posts, WHY IS IT ALLOWED TO EXIST INDEFINITELY? This is not how it should go down according to the freakin' rule thread, thanks. I don't HAVE to involved to see it's negative effects and blatant cheating of the system, and being community operated? THAT'S HOW EVERY RP SHOULD BE ANYWAY. Actually, maybe THAT'S why this particular one is so popular. It's not bound by all these rules and run by government rather than the people making them.

[Arashikage]

so basically you're telling us that the admins are hypocrites going against their own rules stickying this RP

[ballisticwaffles]

The actual matter I and Robert has brought up since page 9. That's not flaming, it's perfectly fair questions about this RP and why it's allowed to get away with so much. It has NOTHING going for it except an assload of posts, WHY IS IT ALLOWED TO EXIST INDEFINITELY? This is not how it should go down according to the freakin' rule thread, thanks. I don't HAVE to involved to see it's negative effects and blatant cheating of the system, and being community operated? THAT'S HOW EVERY RP SHOULD BE ANYWAY. Actually, maybe THAT'S why this particular one is so popular. It's not bound by all these rules and run by government rather than the people making them.

Once again he has a point guys, what makes lylat so special? i mean, why not let it go and maybe something even better will pop up.

[Milkyway64]

so basically you're telling us that the admins are hypocrites going against their own rules stickying this RP

That's a push in the right direction, but no. I'm saying that the one hugely popular RP is the only one not playing by their rules. Hmmmmmm.

I'm also saying that it's a parasite to the other RPs around it. Let's face something, when the LLH has 1000 pages to it's name and the others have.... oh... 15, 20, maybe 60 if it's lucky, it's quite clear that this one is leeching all the activity. It's exhausting the players who are in the others and constantly overshadowing everything with meaningless, neverending nonsense.

Once again he has a point guys, what makes lylat so special? i mean, why not let it go and maybe something even better will pop up.

And of course this. I'm still waiting for an answer to it.

[ballisticwaffles]

That's a push in the right direction, but no. I'm saying that the one hugely popular RP is the only one not playing by their rules. Hmmmmmm.

I'm also saying that it's a parasite to the other RPs around it. Let's face something, when the LLH has 1000 pages to it's name and the others have.... oh... 15, 20, maybe 60 if it's lucky, it's quite clear that this one is leeching all the activity. It's exhausting the players who are in the others and constantly overshadowing everything with meaningless, neverending nonsense.

And of course this. I'm still waiting for an answer to it.

I cant tell you why my friend, thats something i cant answer. Maybe we all could a few months ago, but not now.

[Ris Grestar]

Milky, Robert, the point of the roleplay is to be a casual one, much like the two bar roleplays.  That's why it's sticky'd.  That's why it can go on forever until the next part is set up.

That's why it's not breaking the rules.  The sticky roleplays are allowed to do that.  The hotel is just receiving much more activity than the bar roleplays.  That's all.

I don't care whether or not you join the roleplay or whether or not you dislike it.  All I know is that we all enjoy it, and seeing as it's not breaking the rules I see no reason for you to be complaining as you are.  It doesn't have the plot structure you like?  Then go to a roleplay that does.  Stop bogging down our fun so you can get your own satisfaction out of putting us down.

I'm also saying that it's a parasite to the other RPs around it. Let's face something, when the LLH has 1000 pages to it's name and the others have.... oh... 15, 20, maybe 60 if it's lucky, it's quite clear that this one is leeching all the activity. It's exhausting the players who are in the others and constantly overshadowing everything with meaningless, neverending nonsense.

As for this little tidbit.

Maybe some of the other roleplays are slower because they follow a different style.  Yes, those ones are more accustomed to longer, more detailed posts.

A different style, and both are perfectly acceptable.  You don't have to like it if you don't want to, but everyone else here is just fine with the posts in the hotel roleplay.

Also, keep in mind that the people in the hotel roleplay are online a lot.  Seeing as a lot of people have grouped up anyway, a lot of posts can be made, whereas in other roleplays it can be difficult to get everyone on at once, thus keeping posting to a minimum.

The existence of this roleplay, nor the way in which it is being carried out, is not killing the life of the others.  Each has its own reason for how fast it's going, unrelated to one another.

If you're just jealous, then I'm sorry you feel that way.  Grow up.

If you're not, then I ask that you back off and let us enjoy doing what we enjoy doing.  Again, I'll stress here that it's perfectly acceptable, so there's no reason to complain.

[Arashikage]

but what do you plan to do?  If this RP goes down, you will have plenty of people hating your guts for it.  And besides, the cornerian bar is the same thing, it's not getting as many posts, but it has the same no guidelines do whatever you want aspect.  This is what a lot of people look for in an RP.  I don't like stories unless they're really good ones.  I like freeroam capabilities and those are mostly what you would find me doing.