Should the Star Fox games become more adult?

[ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987]

I'm not decided yet, but if the series is gonna get back off the ground I think we should do what Fred's doing in Star Fox-The Animated Series. He's made it more adult and it's coming out great. From personal accounts, not all TV shows, movies or games with anthros need to be kids stuff. Look at Maus by Art Spiegelman and you'll know what I mean.

[SlyJedi]

Not really. The StarFox games' maturity level is perfectly fine in my opinion. No reason at all to needlessly take it up. Really, it is mature enough for me.

My 2 cents...

[MarekMcCloud]

It should not exceed assault, but I wouldn't mind something more cool than,"Stinking Ape!"

I loled when the commander guy said that.

[Kursed]

I'm not decided yet, but if the series is gonna get back off the ground I think we should do what Fred's doing in Star Fox-The Animated Series. He's made it more adult and it's coming out great. From personal accounts, not all TV shows, movies or games with anthros need to be kids stuff. Look at Maus by Art Spiegelman and you'll know what I mean.

You have any idea how much I dislike that series because of the cursing?

[ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987]

You have any idea how much I dislike that series because of the cursing?

It's just his interpretation of the series. I don't care about the cursing, especially since I've noticed that Star Fox by itself is darker than most other Nintendo franchises (Except Metroid).

[Kursed]

It's just his interpretation of the series. I don't care about the cursing, especially since I've noticed that Star Fox by itself is darker than most other Nintendo franchises (Except Metroid).

well I do Starfox should not have Cursing at all. or very little if any. they do not need to be "cursing like a sailor"

[conaly]

Hi,

it is difficult to say, because "adult" can describe many things.

If adult means "darker" I'd say under some circumstances, yes. I like the style the series has now (except Command, this was awful) and I don't want to see someone going under in his/her feelings. But still there are some things, that I didn't like with the current situation:

For example Fox was too soft in Assault and too childish in Adventures. Giving him some more of his sarcasm, like he had in SF64 ("Why don't you come down here, Falco?" or "Sorry to jet, but I’m in a hurry!") would be much better.

Same thing with Wolf. In SF64 he was obsessed with killing StarFox - but in Assault he seemed like he wants Fox just as a rival and not as an enemy. And they even worked together - unthinkable in SF64.

That got just too soft and too "happy ending, we love each other". Giving the charas more personality (positive or negative) would be much more interesting and much more adult.

[Matt Macdowel]

starfox should be more mature but nothing like other games were you hear cursing 24.7 like no more heroes or rouge warrior Only cursing when its neccersery.

Blood should be in every game because that what makes organsim up so shooting someone and no blood comes out is unrealistic!

[Showtime 1-1]

No.

The reason I got into Starfox was because it was a nice, light, approachable game, and it didn't take years of practice to become competitive. I like the simple plot, the relatively simple characters and the bright, exciting gameplay. If it was to become more adult in any sense, it would lose it's luster, for me at least. We have enough dark, depressing, confusing, "realist" games around, I like Starfox as it is.

[Steve]

Depends on the way, adult as characters developing into more mature beings and less "I hate you!, no I love you!, no...I hate you!", then yes. Mature on the way of what can be shown and cursing, nah, we don't need that.

[Zicka]

Starfox should become a gritty first person space shooter.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

YES.

By appealing to the 15+ Gamer Audience, the younger Gamer Audience will always associate what's "cool" with whatever the 15+ Gamer Audience thinks is "cool", it's a trickle down principle of popularity.

But by making games too child like, by appealing to elementary school-aged gamers and younger, you risk alienating the older Gamer Audiences.

Hell, look at Star Fox Adventures...the Dino people were VERY Kindergarten-ish, it's not just critics who said this, many of the series fans said this the loudest.  Star Fox Adventures proved to be VERY unpopular to the general fandom (though not as unpopular as SF-Command, but that was bad through and through...).

[Mr. Krystal]

No. Any attempt to be adult is a failure-inducing "me too" policy on game design.

[Guest FoXXX]

AO please :)

[CrypticQuery]

I'm not decided yet, but if the series is gonna get back off the ground I think we should do what Fred's doing in Star Fox-The Animated Series. He's made it more adult and it's coming out great. From personal accounts, not all TV shows, movies or games with anthros need to be kids stuff. Look at Maus by Art Spiegelman and you'll know what I mean.

I definitely agree, especially how Fred's Starfox Animated Series is turning out!

[X-Gamer]

No. For multiple reasons.

1. For business purposes, nintendo would have a larger range of targets (children, teen, young adults) if they keep this as is.

2. Does cursing more "maturely" affect the gameplay? To me, SF cursing sort of gives the sign that you are playing a SF game. Something only SF would do.

3. Cursing in general is not a good habit to make. If they did curse more, society would be influenced by this for the worse.

[Vy'drach]

I say no because Fredry's videos are funny because Star Fox is not actually like that. If they were, what would be the point of watching the video, it's just a fan made cutscene at that point. And also, Star Fox has done just fine the way it is, it's a game adult enough for mature people (Such as, didn't Fox say he didn't want to take Tricky with him because there would be blood and death in Adventures), but not enough for people to not let their kids play it. The fanbase is still intact after Command, something I feel is a good indicator as to the dedication of some of its fans.

[Mr. Foxer]

It's Nintendo, they would never allow anything such as swearing or worse to be in a first party game. Hell, they took out gore and the Nazi Zombies gamemode in the Wii version of Call of Duty WaW. Either way, SF is fine as it is,  all you seem to mean by "adult" is swearing.

[Beta Link]

Depends on what you mean by "adult." Do you mean good, believable, well thought out stories/characters, decent voice acting, and real, honest effort put into the game? Then yes. Do you mean language, sex, and violence? Then no.

Something I do want to mention specifically, is the thing with the games and cursing. There are parts in the games, Assault specifically, where they say something else just to avoid cursing. Like when Pigma gets away with the Aparoid core memory, and Fox yells "Dang!" It just doesn't sound very realistic. They don't need to be cursing every 5 seconds, but only where necessary.

[Vy'drach]

Actually, a lot of people do go out of their way to swear, so it's not entirely unbelievable, but I have to admit that I believe a group of mercenaries, especially Falco, wouldn't be opposed to using the words.

[Guest DRL]

starfox should be more mature but nothing like other games were you hear cursing 24.7 like no more heroes or rouge warrior Only cursing when its neccersery.

Blood should be in every game because that what makes organsim up so shooting someone and no blood comes out is unrealistic!

I do not like cursing. Know why? Because it happens into reality. When I play a game, I want it to be as much away from reality as it can be, without, of course, becoming too childish or 'fantasious'.

Star Fox 64 did it perfectly for me. It has non-human character which are cool, high-speed space combat and many interesting quirks. And I think it is fine for all ages, and definetly not childish or adult.

As for blood, here you are completely wrong. If many years ago I would have played Mario Bros. and anyone had spilled out blood, I would have cried due the lameness of it. Today almost every game has "blood" and I do not see how it adds to the gameplay. Nobody *smells/tracks/analizes* it. Therefore, it´s completely useless. In addition, I will just not feel right if Krystal is hurt and I see red liquid coming out from the scar. Today many games have blood because "it makes it more real". To me it has become just a cliché. I have even seen survival horror games where blood is rarely seen, and they are great. I feel both and about that.

But maybe it is just myself. However, I will definelty try to make a hack to turn off blood if I see it in any SF game.

[Star Fox Runner]

I don't think it needs to be super violent, but give it a slightly darker theme, but not so dark that it seems out of place amongst the others.

As for cursing, if they did a good job writing the script, they could probably avoid moments where saying dang instead of damn sounds corny.

[SlyJedi]

No.

The reason I got into Starfox was because it was a nice, light, approachable game, and it didn't take years of practice to become competitive. I like the simple plot, the relatively simple characters and the bright, exciting gameplay. If it was to become more adult in any sense, it would lose it's luster, for me at least. We have enough dark, depressing, confusing, "realist" games around, I like Starfox as it is.

Amen, brother.

SF is fine as it is,  all you seem to mean by "adult" is swearing.

Adding adult themes like profanity, etc. would be just plain stupid in my opinion. StarFox has been aimed at all ages since it's first release in 1993.

I do not like cursing. Know why? Because it happens into reality. When I play a game, I want it to be as much away from reality as it can be, without, of course, becoming too childish or 'fantasious'.

Star Fox 64 did it perfectly for me. It has non-human character which are cool, high-speed space combat and many interesting quirks. And I think it is fine for all ages, and definitely not childish or adult.

As for blood, here you are completely wrong. If many years ago I would have played Mario Bros. and anyone had spilled out blood, I would have cried due the lameness of it. Today almost every game has "blood" and I do not see how it adds to the gameplay. Nobody *smells/tracks/analyzes* it. Therefore, it´s completely useless. In addition, I will just not feel right if Krystal is hurt and I see red liquid coming out from the scar. Today many games have blood because "it makes it more real". To me it has become just a cliche.

^This. DRL nailed it. Stuff like StarFox can be great escapism. It does not need any more reality then it does now. And not to sound rude or anything, but let's face it: It is never ever going to happen. Not with StarFox, not with Zelda, and not with Mario.

[Vy'drach]

To me, blood and gore has its place, like when I play AvP, for instance. When I see the Predator rip the head off a marine, I don't expect rainbows and daffodils, I expect there to be blood. But in Star Fox, I don't need to see what happened to the pilot of an enemy ship after it explodes, you expect them to be dead, since they didn't eject or anything (If I remember though, didn't they occasionally eject?). If you really wanted to, you could imagine what happened to them, but to what point and purpose?

[Asper Sarnoff]

Language is fine as it is. Blood and gore don't really belong in a SF game, tough I found it odd when I defeated a sharpclaw in Adventures and it simply vanished in thin air.

A little darker undertone in the story? Perhaps.

I'll be writing a long thesis about how I'd want the next SF game in the right tread, I'll go closer into it there.