Should the Star Fox games become more adult?

[MarekMcCloud]

Alright DLR, let me make a new list:

Gore: No

Violence: Yes (or cosmic mischief, whatever you call it)

Nudity/sex: NO!

Blood: No

Wounds: yes!

[Guest DRL]

Alright DLR, let me make a new list:

Gore: No

Violence: Yes (or cosmic mischief, whatever you call it)

Nudity/sex: NO!

Blood: No

Wounds: yes!

----> I though you mean 'DRL'.

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And yeah, I (mostly) agree. I have no trouble with scars/marks/ect. (as long as they not permanent or like you can see half of the character´s face underskin).

[X-Gamer]

How violent? What would you consider the line of where violence should stop?

[Guest DRL]

How violent? What would you consider the line of where violence should stop?

I think they should leave as it is now... seems fine by me...

[X-Gamer]

I think they should leave as it is now... seems fine by me...

I know. That's why I'm asking those who want it to be more "mature" on how violent they think it should be.

[Fira-Astrali]

For the record, Maus was one of the best graphic novels I've ever read.

Personally, I think Starfox needs to go the way of Legend of Zelda. Twilight Princess was dark, brooding, and it pulled you farther in because of it. I think that Starfox needs to get darker as well if it's to see more success. However, I think the added darkness should apply only to the storyline, not making the games into something super gorey  I also thinnk blood has no place in a SF game. I don`t think cussing is really required either. I Think that, for the most part, Nintendo has done a good job of making it seem like natural speech without the swearing, b/c i actually didn't notice there was no swearing... (and SF64 doesn't count, b/c it was just corny all around XD)

[Asper Sarnoff]

For the record, Maus was one of the best graphic novels I've ever read.

Personally, I think Starfox needs to go the way of Legend of Zelda. Twilight Princess was dark, brooding, and it pulled you farther in because of it. I think that Starfox needs to get darker as well if it's to see more success. However, I think the added darkness should apply only to the storyline, not making the games into something super gorey  I also thinnk blood has no place in a SF game. I don`t think cussing is really required either. I Think that, for the most part, Nintendo has done a good job of making it seem like natural speech without the swearing, b/c i actually didn't notice there was no swearing... (and SF64 doesn't count, b/c it was just corny all around XD)

Wholeheartly agree with this.

BTW: Please pop by the next SF discussion thread and give yout two cents on my ideas would you Fira?http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=3424.msg171637#msg171637

[SlyJedi]

Personally, I think Starfox needs to go the way of Legend of Zelda. Twilight Princess was dark, brooding, and it pulled you farther in because of it. I think that Starfox needs to get darker as well if it's to see more success. However, I think the added darkness should apply only to the storyline, not making the games into something super gory. I also think blood has no place in a SF game. I don`t think cussing is really required either. I think that, for the most part, Nintendo has done a good job of making it seem like natural speech without the swearing.

I agree. The only way to make a StarFox game more mature is to make the storyline darker, without making it too dark.

[Fira-Astrali]

BTW: Please pop by the next SF discussion thread and give yout two cents on my ideas would you Fira?http://forums.starfox-online.net/index.php?topic=3424.msg171637#msg171637

sure thing!

[Chrono Reaper]

No. Any attempt to be adult is a failure-inducing "me too" policy on game design.

Your not gonna give any thought about it, not even a long explanation of "WHY it would be a failure?"

Just because something is adult doesn't mean its not always something inappropriate? What if the game had...shall we say, "More Responsibility"? The series does lack a bit in the imagination department since the last gewd Star Fox game in '97. I mean even in the '93 SNES Star Fox had "IN YOUR FACE Lizards flying out of their cockpits clinging onto their seats for dear life as they were sucked out into the vacuum of space. Least with Star Fox 64 the violence was up a notch with explosions and gratuitous amounts of the pilots screaming for their lives and some of the gorgeous explosions I have ever seen in a video game.

But hey if you feel that its more comfortable being a kitty video game where they are armed with guns that look like Super Soakers in Star Fox Assault and a villain who was responsible for the death of your legendary father, James and All you can say is "PIGMA! STOP! DANG!!!" than more power to ya.

Honestly we are all fairly aged, I highly doubt there are going to be toddlers or 6 year olds who would want to be playing a fantasy violence video game when they haven't even learned about death yet. This is a video game targeted for 10 year olds to adults, not asking for coarse language, just crank up the responsibility 'o meter. Make the characters more vulnerable, show some weaknesses like re-precautions, make them act like they have a life with ups and downs. Have some quality weight to some of the characters make them sound appropriate to their mood if its regarding sensitive events like the death of a loved one etc. etc. Basically show some common sense in adding gravity to situations. Doing that would make a tasteful more general target audience video game not just for adults but for kids as well.

In Laymen's terms, "Go with the Marvel or DC Animated Series Path" If you have watched any of the super Hero cartoons suitable for children on Saturday Mornings done by Warner Brothers than you'd understand the amount of content in general violence, peril and misc. content needed for this games standards.

Were is Tex Avery when we need him... >.<

[X-Gamer]

Your not gonna give any thought about it, not even a long explanation of "WHY it would be a failure?"

Just because something is adult doesn't mean its not always something inappropriate? What if the game had...shall we say, "More Responsibility"? The series does lack a bit in the imagination department since the last gewd Star Fox game in '97. I mean even in the '93 SNES Star Fox had "IN YOUR FACE Lizards flying out of their cockpits clinging onto their seats for dear life as they were sucked out into the vacuum of space. Least with Star Fox 64 the violence was up a notch with explosions and gratuitous amounts of the pilots screaming for their lives and some of the gorgeous explosions I have ever seen in a video game.

But hey if you feel that its more comfortable being a kitty video game where they are armed with guns that look like Super Soakers in Star Fox Assault and a villain who was responsible for the death of your legendary father, James and All you can say is "PIGMA! STOP! DANG!!!" than more power to ya.

Honestly we are all fairly aged, I highly doubt there are going to be toddlers or 6 year olds who would want to be playing a fantasy violence video game when they haven't even learned about death yet. This is a video game targeted for 10 year olds to adults, not asking for coarse language, just crank up the responsibility 'o meter. Make the characters more vulnerable, show some weaknesses like re-precautions, make them act like they have a life with ups and downs. Have some quality weight to some of the characters make them sound appropriate to their mood if its regarding sensitive events like the death of a loved one etc. etc. Basically show some common sense in adding gravity to situations. Doing that would make a tasteful more general target audience video game not just for adults but for kids as well.

In Laymen's terms, "Go with the Marvel or DC Animated Series Path" If you have watched any of the super Hero cartoons suitable for children on Saturday Mornings done by Warner Brothers than you'd understand the amount of content in general violence, peril and misc. content needed for this games standards.

Were is Tex Avery when we need him... >.<

But how would Nintendo show more "responsibility"? They already attempted to act more responsible in Command and look how that ended up.

[Fira-Astrali]

But how would Nintendo show more "responsibility"? They already attempted to act more responsible in Command and look how that ended up.

I didn't see much responsibility being handed out in Command. I mean i saw the part where Fox put out Krystal, but really that was more childish than responsible. Maybe responsible isn't the right word/ I'm not understanding the context.

I think it might help if Nintendo drops its OMG GALAXY AT RISK!!! plotlines for something that hits a little closer to home with the characters. Something emotional that will make you feel bad when they inevitably fail at least once. Fox has never actually FAILED at anything before. In all the games, if you lose, you die. That's not realistic. If he was defeated once in awhile, there would be more meat to the plot, and you would care more when he rallied back.

[ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987]

I didn't see much responsibility being handed out in Command. I mean i saw the part where Fox put out Krystal, but really that was more childish than responsible. Maybe responsible isn't the right word/ I'm not understanding the context.

I think it might help if Nintendo drops its OMG GALAXY AT RISK!!! plotlines for something that hits a little closer to home with the characters. Something emotional that will make you feel bad when they inevitably fail at least once. Fox has never actually FAILED at anything before. In all the games, if you lose, you die. That's not realistic. If he was defeated once in awhile, there would be more meat to the plot, and you would care more when he rallied back.

So, maybe something like something that's never happened to Fox in official canon in which one of his closest allies is killed. Ex:

Bill!!

Hey, at least I went out fighting..*crashes, fiery explosion*

*cringes* *tries not to cry* No....God da@#it no!! Why the he@# did this happen?!

That's what I mean by a more adult Star Fox.

I know an adult or teen rated Mario wouldn't work, an adult level Metroid would be interesting, and definitely an adult level Zelda. After all, there are some of our childhood favorites that have grown up and matured with us, as is the case with Batman or Transformers, both of which have gotten considerably darker and upped the cursing a bit.

[X-Gamer]

So, maybe something like something that's never happened to Fox in official canon in which one of his closest allies is killed. Ex:

Bill!!

Hey, at least I went out fighting..*crashes, fiery explosion*

*cringes* *tries not to cry* No....God da@#it no!! Why the he@# did this happen?!

That's what I mean by a more adult Star Fox.

I know an adult or teen rated Mario wouldn't work, an adult level Metroid would be interesting, and definitely an adult level Zelda. After all, there are some of our childhood favorites that have grown up and matured with us, as is the case with Batman or Transformers, both of which have gotten considerably darker and upped the cursing a bit.

OOOOHHH. That's what you guys mean. I guess the word for it is more...realistic, not responsible.

[Kursed]

I didn't see much responsibility being handed out in Command. I mean i saw the part where Fox put out Krystal, but really that was more childish than responsible. Maybe responsible isn't the right word/ I'm not understanding the context.

I think it might help if Nintendo drops its OMG GALAXY AT RISK!!! plotlines for something that hits a little closer to home with the characters. Something emotional that will make you feel bad when they inevitably fail at least once. Fox has never actually FAILED at anything before. In all the games, if you lose, you die. That's not realistic. If he was defeated once in awhile, there would be more meat to the plot, and you would care more when he rallied back.

well technicly he failed Krystal in command.

[Guest FoXXX]

well technicly he failed Krystal in command.

Everything failed in Command :S

[Kursed]

Everything failed in Command :S

So true

DO A FAIL ROLL!

[ARWINGCOMMANDER 3987]

well technicly he failed Krystal in command.

But not failed her in the way that killed her. THAT would darken the series.

[Matt Macdowel]

Everything failed in Command :S

not everything. just he storyline was the good thing =)

[X-Gamer]

not everything. just he storyline was the good thing =)

...Moving along!

So in summary, SF should become more dark instead of violent, course language, etc.

Like someone already said, it should go like Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did. That would make SF more interesting. Is this correct?

[Chrono Reaper]

But how would Nintendo show more "responsibility"? They already attempted to act more responsible in Command and look how that ended up.

That wasn't responsible, that was DRAMA

[Kursed]

That wasn't responsible, that was DRAMA

okay what's the diffrence from DRAMA and realism?

once again I've come across  a word that the world has labeled different from it's Websters dictionary definition.

[Chrono Reaper]

I never said realism in my topic if you read my reply carefully. I only mentioned adding more gravity to the situation, it would enhance and add more responsibility to the characters so they dont act like hot dogging mercenaries who don't feel and sound like they are holding back their true form of language and expression, doesnt need to have curse words.

For instance: Instead of:  : "PIGMA! Stop! Dang!"

Add gravity to the situation:  "Pray that I don't catch you Pigma!"  or something like that; anything but a cheesy line like Dang! It sounds a bit weak seeing he is telling Pigma, (the person who betrayed and was the cause for his fathers death) to litterally "stop" like he is going to follow orders? and then to ad it off says "Dang!" as in "Dang this sucks", it makes Fox sound unprepared like he didn't conserve a contingency plan if they were being set up by a villain.

EDIT; Even a simple: "Return the Core Immediately! You don't know what you are doing!" a simple yet popular quote would even suffice. etc etc.

[Kursed]

I never said realism in my topic if you read my reply carefully. I only mentioned adding more gravity to the situation, it would enhance and add more responsibility to the characters so they dont act like hot dogging mercenaries who don't feel and sound like they are holding back their true form of language and expression, doesnt need to have curse words.

For instance: Instead of:  : "PIGMA! Stop! Dang!"

Add gravity to the situation:  "Pray that I don't catch you Pigma!"  or something like that; anything but a cheesy line like Dang! It sounds a bit weak seeing he is telling Pigma, (the person who betrayed and was the cause for his fathers death) to litterally "stop" like he is going to follow orders? and then to ad it off says "Dang!" as in "Dang this sucks", it makes Fox sound unprepared like he didn't conserve a contingency plan if they were being set up by a villain.

EDIT; Even a simple: "Return the Core Immediately! You don't know what you are doing!" a simple yet popular quote would even suffice. etc etc.

yes ,but I'd like to know what's the diffrence it seems  the word 'Drama'  is being used like the word 'gay' now adays... (Face it I'm old)

[Star Fox Runner]

I never said realism in my topic if you read my reply carefully. I only mentioned adding more gravity to the situation, it would enhance and add more responsibility to the characters so they dont act like hot dogging mercenaries who don't feel and sound like they are holding back their true form of language and expression, doesnt need to have curse words.

For instance: Instead of:  : "PIGMA! Stop! Dang!"

Add gravity to the situation:  "Pray that I don't catch you Pigma!"  or something like that; anything but a cheesy line like Dang! It sounds a bit weak seeing he is telling Pigma, (the person who betrayed and was the cause for his fathers death) to litterally "stop" like he is going to follow orders? and then to ad it off says "Dang!" as in "Dang this sucks", it makes Fox sound unprepared like he didn't conserve a contingency plan if they were being set up by a villain.

EDIT; Even a simple: "Return the Core Immediately! You don't know what you are doing!" as simple yet popular quote would even suffice. etc etc.

This is what I mean, you don't have to add cursing or gore to make something sound more adult. If the script is written well, it can sound more adult without being ultra violent.