Tools for Survival

[ThePointingMan]

All I need is Maximum speed, Maximum power, and my fists! (The only weapons I ever use in crysis wars )

[Matrilwood]

Primary;

M60

If I can use one of these literally against your greatest nightmare, then I'd be unstoppable untill I run out of ammo.

Secondary

Soul Calibur

For when I run out of ammo.

Sidearm;

Swiss Army Knife

For when 10 knives in one just doesn't cut it.

[Geo Stelar]

My Primary would be a cross between the two armors:

My secondary is to pilot this:

And my Sidearm:

[DarthDelgado]

Okay, let's go.

Primary Weapon: P-90

Secondary Weapon: RPG-7

Sidearm: Colt Single Action Army Revolver

[Asper Sarnoff]

Nice picks DarthDelgado. I especially like the "Peacemaker".

[DarthDelgado]

Nice picks DarthDelgado. I especially like the "Peacemaker".

Why thank you.

[CrypticQuery]

Okay, let's go.

Sidearm: Colt Single Action Army Revolver

Revolver Ocelot rejoices :P

[Vy'drach]

Good to see another P90 appreciator.

[Sabre]

Good to see another P90 appreciator.

Everone loves the P90. I met a H&K fan once. He liked the mp5, the mp5k and the g36

[Vy'drach]

Everone loves the P90. I met a H&K fan once. He liked the mp5, the mp5k and the g36

Not many people fully understand the P90 and it's capabilities, however.

And Heckler & Koch is a very good gun company, they designed and, due to the original low quality manufacturing standards, had to produce as well, the most accurate assault rifle in the world at the moment. Depending on the country, it is called the IWS-80, SA-80, or L85A1 rifle. The only real problem with the rifle is that the squad automatic version has one flaw to it, it is too accurate to provide area suppression, but it's been found that when set to semi-automatic, it makes a decent sniper weapon.

Before H&K started making it themselves, however, the factories would break, it would malfunction at the drop of a hat, much like the M16, and the plastic furniture would melt due to the camouflage paint, giving it a rocky start, but that has been dealt with, and it is now a fine weapon.

[Matrilwood]

But beating someone across the back of the head with them does.

[Sabre]

Not many people fully understand the P90 and it's capabilities, however.

And Heckler & Koch is a very good gun company, they designed and, due to the original low quality manufacturing standards, had to produce as well, the most accurate assault rifle in the world at the moment. Depending on the country, it is called the IWS-80, SA-80, or L85A1 rifle. The only real problem with the rifle is that the squad automatic version has one flaw to it, it is too accurate to provide area suppression, but it's been found that when set to semi-automatic, it makes a decent sniper weapon.

Before H&K started making it themselves, however, the factories would break, it would malfunction at the drop of a hat, much like the M16, and the plastic furniture would melt due to the camouflage paint, giving it a rocky start, but that has been dealt with, and it is now a fine weapon.

It's designed for fish right? (for those none gun nuts, fish is a british gun nut term meaning urban warfare. It stands for Fighting In Someones House) that's why it's all short and square shaped, with a large clip?

SA80 is the british standard assault rifle, or at least was, and was well known for breaking. I didn't know the reasons though.

I'm told burst fire was invented because some people (Im told americans, but that's a cliche) have no trigger control, and would waste entire clips or even break their own guns by overheating them.

But beating someone across the back of the head with them does.

That's cool. Where'd you get that?

[Vy'drach]

The P90 is actually a PDW, which is a Personal Defense Weapon. It fires a round bigger than used in submachine guns, designed to arm rear echelon troops such as cooks, drivers, and vehicle crews with firepower above that of an SMG, without requiring the size and bulk of an assault rifle. However, due to its compactness, reliability, power of its 5.7x28mm round, and ease of use, it has found use as a main weapon in countless CQB scenarios. That 5.7 round is amazing, it has less recoil than a 9mm, about the stopping power of a .45, and the military version of the round is able to go through kevlar like it's wet toilet paper, all in a 50 round, ambidextrous design that can easily be fired one handed due to its design.

And yeah, the L85A1 (what I prefer to call it) was designed for the British army by Heckler & Koch, but the British manufacturing of it was shoddy, and it had horrid reliability (no offense), which could of reflected poorly on H&K, and to gun manufacturers, reputation is a big thing, so they started producing them in their own factories for Britain to show it wasn't a design flaw, but a manufacturing flaw, and now you'd be hard pressed not to like that gun.

And about the burst fire, they say it was due to the Americans firing about 5000 bullets per casualty in Vietnam, that they started using burst fire to avoid wasted ammo, but it was to be expected there would be so much wasted lead in Vietnam since Americans were unfamiliar with jungle fighting, even after fighting the Japanese in WWII, and the M16, as flawed a gun design as it was, had an astounding fire rate for an assault rifle, 900 rounds a minute, where most assault rifles don't get past 600 (Though the new FN F2000 has a fire rate of 950 RPMs). So between the high fire rate, the ability of the Vietnam guerrillas to be nearly anywhere in the jungle, and the laying down of suppressing fire, a lot of rounds were fired to no effect, and so they went to three round burst (H&K uses 2 round for theirs), which was a horrible idea, because, as my dad puts it, "It's nearly impossible to take an urban scenario without fully automatic fire." But the look at burst fire has yielded some good design ideas since then, such as the Russian AN-94 assault rifle, and the shelved German G11 project.

The An-94 has a two round burst feature that very few people understand, it is able to fire two rounds nearly at the same time, in the same recoil stroke, giving it a cyclic rate of 1800 RPMs in that fire selection (It has the more traditional 600 RPMs at full auto).

And the German G11 design by H&K featured a three round burst with a cyclic rate of 2200 RPMs, due largely to the caseless ammo it used, removing the extraction phase. Essentially, the bullet was embedded in a block of solid propellant. Another cool feature of the gun is that it loaded similar to the P90, the magazine holding 50 rounds loaded on top of it, but the G11 had two extra magazines besides the one actually loaded into the gun, meaning you could carry 150 rounds on the gun itself. Unfortunately, that was the point where Britain purchased H&K and had them design the L85A1, and so the G11 was shelved, likely to never be researched again. (Fortunately, however, H&K is now a German company again)

[Matrilwood]

I'm told burst fire was invented because some people (Im told americans, but that's a cliche) have no trigger control, and would waste entire clips or even break their own guns by overheating them.

That's cool. Where'd you get that?

The American military relies heavily on pure numbers rather than military skill. (Military school anyone?) When we did a campaign with them, more American soldiers got killed due to careless mistakes and suicide missions than enemy intervention. Plus they mucked up our attempts to sneak up on Indonesia's flank by launching a frontal assault (See 1999). Also Burst fire was invented because you only need 3 rounds at most when firing. Even if you had an awesome aim, due to recoil, any bullet after the 3rd shot would go in any which way. Its like a water hose when you let it go. Besides, really if your shooting at someone, do you think you need more than one bullet to kill them? The idea is to injure rather than kill anyway (At least in our army)

As for the pic, just type in the phrase.

[Guest DRL]

If we go for Real-Life weapons,

a classic AK-47 allways works.

But if we go for Real-Life, I would

not want to wield/use a weapon

unless I really need to... In any case

I am more keen to use a Melee weapon

than a gun. Katana, anyone?

[Vy'drach]

That's because numbers matter the most, you have the most skilled fighters in the world, and grossly outnumber them, and they WILL fall eventually.

And while the M16 does cause more damage than every other 5.56x45 out there, due to a freak in the gun design that causes the bullet to tumble end-over-end when it hits the target (which it is now illegal to design the gun to do), which makes a hollow-point round look like a BB round, it is very possible to take more than one bullet from one. People believe too much Hollywood in how guns work. A guy gets hit in the stomach, and he's instantly dead, where as in reality, that would take several hours. There was actually a situation in Somalia, where a soldier opened fire on a woman that was carrying RPG warheads to the Somali militia, and he had to put several burst of rounds into her before she stopped moving, and he engaged other targets, looked back, and she and the basket of warheads was gone.

And while it won't necessarily take many rounds to kill someone if you hit them right, when you are taking fire, you don't have time to aim carefully, which is why you need full auto, so you can let a good spray at them and hit them with a few of the rounds.

[Matrilwood]

Not always, the only reason the 300 Spartans lost was because they were betrayed. (And before some ignorant moron says that it never happened, it was actually based on a real event.) And yes, I agree that numbers are extremely important. But when your talking about people who's idea of sneaking through the jungle is following the yellow brick road with geto-blasters booming... You get the idea.

Also Hollywood is... Hollywood. You can't really take it seriously, I mean watch how many rounds those people fire before they have to reload, if at all.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Not always, the only reason the 300 Spartans lost was because they were betrayed. (And before some ignorant moron says that it never happened, it was actually based on a real event.) And yes, I agree that numbers are extremely important. But when your talking about people who's idea of sneaking through the jungle is following the yellow brick road with geto-blasters booming... You get the idea.

Also Hollywood is... Hollywood. You can't really take it seriously, I mean watch how many rounds those people fire before they have to reload, if at all.

The battle of the Thermophyles did in fact happen, tough VERY far from what was depicted in 300. Tt was estimated 300 Spartans which participated on the Greek side, along with around 5000-7000 soldiers from other Greek nations.

There has been much debate on how many soldiers fought on the Persian side, ranging from 25 000 to around 200 000.

When they were betrayed by this Ephialdes, all but around 2000 soldiers lead by king Leonidas withdrew from the field of battle, leaving them to hold back the Persians for as long as possible.

[Vy'drach]

Exactly, Asper, and even then the Spartans didn't actually "win" it, they delayed the Persians long enough for the remaining Grecian forces to be assembled. Even if they had not been betrayed, superior numbers would of eventually whittled away at them, and they would have lost.

And I wasn't talking about "sneaking" through the jungles, but sustained firefights. If you don't keep suppressing fire down, the enemy will move up and flank, that is what the purpose of a light machinegun is, not to shoot and kill people, but to keep them from maneuvering and doing that to you.

And I wasn't talking about Hollywood and the way the guns behave, but what they show killing people. There is very few things that cause instantaneous death. Even a slit throat won't kill instantly, there was a crime a long time ago where two people broke into a desolate house because they heard there was a safe full of money there (which was bullshit that someone in prison made up to make himself seem more important), and they took the father of the household to the basement, and after questioning him about the safe, which he of course knew nothing about, they slit his throat and waited for, as they said, "About five minutes of listening to him gurgle, before we shot him in the head with a 12 gauge because we couldn't stand the sound anymore." He was on the floor with a slit throat, and lived for about five minutes, with every indication that he would for a few minutes more. It is very rare for a bullet to cause instant death, it isn't even guaranteed to the head. People have lived through gunshot wounds to the head, but it is very rare and requires a great deal of luck and surgical skill.

Sorry if that was a bit gory, but it is a true story.

[Matrilwood]

I've seen a fire cracker literally blow someone's head off. No amount of writing will bother me. (Now that is an instant death)

Also, I wasn't talking about the jungle either. I was just giving 1 example of the US armies military prowess. I could probably go all day if I wanted to.

[Vy'drach]

It also depends which part of the U.S. Military you are speaking of, my dad was a Cavalry Scout, and I know for a fact that he could sneak through an environment without raising an alarm, but then you have the Marines and such who think camping on top of a hill is a good idea, when they have just skylined themselves, and all an enemy commander has to do is look at a map, find the coordinates of that hill, and call in a mortar strike and guess what, no more marines.

Also, my dad used to love messing with the tankers that got lost in a convoy, because honestly, how do you get lost when your job is to follow the tank in front of you?