Firearms.

[Vy'drach]

I've been talking a lot of gun talk lately, and I know other people here enjoy firearms, so I decided to post a thread where we can talk about them. However, this is not for discussion of gun laws or politics, just guns themselves, such as what your favourites are, ones you have, ones you want, etc etc.

I'll start by listing my favourite and least favourite guns.

Favourite, in order:

1- Heckler & Koch PSG1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSG1) I want one of those so badly, preferably the PSG1A1 variant, as it is easier to maintain in America.

2- Franchi SPAS 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPAS_12) I would also love one of those, specifically the folding stock variant, though without the hook.

3- FN Herstal P90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90) Another great gun, and I'd be happy with a PS90, the civilian long barreled, semi-automatic variant.

4- MG 42/MG 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG42)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG_3) Same gun really, but the design is solid, reliable, and absolutely deadly. Fires an 8mm Mauser or 7.62x51 at 1000-1500 rounds per minute.

5- The AN-94 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An94) This gun is beast, pure and simple, it is capable of putting a 2 round burst through the same hole at 100 yards with its 1800 RPM 2-shot burst function.

My least favourite guns. (Not gonna link to the wiki on these, as I do not wish to see them)

1- the Uzi, such an inaccurate gun, one of a few guns in the world made more accurate by the addition of a suppressor, designed for people that can't shoot and want to spray, I'd much rather use a Mac 10 or Mac 11, same basic concept, only more accurate, and a higher fire rate

2- the M16 and any and all variants of it (Except for the H&K M416, as that uses a completely different operating system, fixing our problems for us), this is such a horrible weapon system, jams at the drop of a hat, and only saving grace is that the original M16 had a higher fire rate than most assault rifles (900 RPMs where most are 600), and the bullet, by accident of the design, tumbles end over end when it hits a body, causing more damage than a standard 5.56x45 round. Which it is now illegal to design a gun to do.

3- the Desert Eagle, such an over-rated hand gun. Holds too few rounds, it isn't much more powerful than the .45 ACP if you get it in the .50 AE (and the recoil is too extreme for the difference in power, the .45 puts the person down just the same with nowhere near the same shock to you physically), and just... isn't a good gun in my opinion.

4- the Galil, nothing but a cheap Israeli knock off of the AK, and a butt ugly one at that.

5- the Sten Gun, just a failed attempt at achieving what the Germans did with the MP-40, a cheap, mass produceable submachine gun. The Sten wears out so quickly that if you aren't careful and don't replace it, it can blow up in your face, and the magazine worked horribly (granted the MP-38 and MP-40 magazines weren't known for reliability, but they atleast were used in a gun that was in itself sound, reliable, and resilient. The Sten could easily blow up in your face), what with not being able to hold the intended ammo amount. Also, the Sten would shoot if it was knocked around too hard, which could lead to self injury/death, or the injury/death of those around you.

And for shits and giggles, some of the oddest guns made.

1-the Liberator pistol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberator_pistol), this thing is hilarious, a single-shot pistol that cost the equivalent of $25 to make, with loading working as such: You pulled the box in the back rearward, twisted it to the left, lifted the hatch/rear sight combo, placed the .45 ACP cartridge in, closed the hatch, twisted the box back up and pushed forward, fired, opened the gun up again, pushed the cartridge out using a supplied dowel or a stick or anything really, reloaded, and repeated as necessary.

2- the Deer Gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Gun), a successor to the Liberator, this pistol had no markings what-so-ever, and was operated by unscrewing the barrel, placing a 9mm round in the chamber, pulling the pin back, putting a plastic clip on the pin to keep from accidentally firing (The clip also worked as the sight), and screwing the barrel back on. That thing just looks awesome as hell.

3- the SPP-1 Underwater Pistol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPP-1_Underwater_Pistol) This thing is awesome, it fires 4.5 inch long darts underwater from a four barreled pistol, and has better range and penetrating power than a spear gun (Also, if the person is not wearing steel plates *which is unlikely as it's meant to be used underwater*, the round would go right through a kevlar vest as it does not mushroom on impact). The range differs at different depths, but at 5 meters deep, it is effective to 17 meters, and at 40 meters deep, it is effective at 6 meters. also, it effective to 50 meters out of the water (which is a damned good distance actually).

4- APS Underwater Assault Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS_Underwater_Assault_Rifle) This is the big brother of the SPP-1 pistol, and works about the same way, but this one has an effective range of about 100 meters in the air, and at 40 meters deep, it has an effective range of 11 meters. While this and the pistol are hardly intimidating outside the water, you have to remember that in the water, the most effective conventional firearm is a pistol, which only has a few feet of range, and larger caliber weapons can actually explode underwater.

5- The G11 Caseless Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11) This thing is awesome, doing away with the extraction and ejection phase of recoil, it was able to get a firing rate of 2200 RPMs with a three round burst, and had a 50 round clip, with two more stored on the gun itself (Meaning 150 rounds on the gun alone), and this gave way to the Metal Storm weapons platform that is being tested now. It's a shame this weapon never actually saw fruition, as it's a good design.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

YEAH!  This is what I'm talkin' about!

I'll post the firearms I wanna own in a bit....

*EDIT*

I'd like to own:

-an HK-MP5 submac with rapid fire action, multi clip attachment, high end silencer, front hand grip, high end targeting scope, and folding stock.

-a W2000 sniper rifle with a lightweight frame, carbon fiber barrel, high end silencer and high end scope, a bolt action, and a foil stamped carry case

-an AK 47, full auto, and burled walnut wood hardware, and an AK 47, full auto with a folding paratrooper butt stock.

-a .40 Glock with a high cap clip, front handgrip, and full auto conversion, a .45 silverballer with a high cap clip, and full auto conversion

-a Bull .480 revolver

-a Magnum .500 revolver

-a .45 Colt 1911A1

-a Taurus M605B revolver

-a Taurus 851 SSUL .38 revolver

-a Kel-Tec .380

-a Sig-Sauer .380

-a Beretta .32 Tomcat

-a .50 Barrett Rifle (M19A1, I think it's called...it can pierce armored cars)

-an Ingram Mac-10 with a silencer

-a LAW anti tank weapon

-a soviet RPG

-a flamethrower

-a fully customized M4 with an M79 Grenade Launcher

-an electric trigger Gattling gun

[Robert Monroe]

The Desert Eagle is good for lulz, at least!

And the sten makes a good still. Or was that another junky WWI/WWII MG? whatever.

Anyways, I'm fond of the .45 1911 pistol, the Colt Python, the Khanxi Type 17... stuff like that. I'm more into character than performance, although performance is not toally unimportant to me.

Oh, I like the Mosin-Nagant too, because how can you go wrong with a spear that shoots bullets?

[Vy'drach]

YEAH!  This is what I'm talkin' about!

I'll post the firearms I wanna own in a bit....

*EDIT*

I'd like to own:

-an HK-MP5 submac with rapid fire action, multi clip attachment, high end silencer, front hand grip, high end targeting scope, and folding stock.

-a W2000 sniper rifle with a lightweight frame, carbon fiber barrel, high end silencer and high end scope, a bolt action, and a foil stamped carry case

-an AK 47, full auto, and burled walnut wood hardware, and an AK 47, full auto with a folding paratrooper butt stock.

-a .40 Glock with a high cap clip, front handgrip, and full auto conversion, a .45 silverballer with a high cap clip, and full auto conversion

-a Bull .480 revolver

-a Magnum .500 revolver

-a .45 Colt 1911A1

-a Taurus M605B revolver

-a Taurus 851 SSUL .38 revolver

-a Kel-Tec .380

-a Sig-Sauer .380

-a Beretta .32 Tomcat

-a .50 Barrett Rifle (M19A1, I think it's called...it can pierce armored cars)

-an Ingram Mac-10 with a silencer

-a LAW anti tank weapon

-a soviet RPG

-a flamethrower

-a fully customized M4 with an M79 Grenade Launcher

-an electric trigger Gattling gun

You ass, Julius, right as I hit "quote" you added even more shit. Anyway, we actually have 3 Colt M1911's, I have a Springfield M1A (Civialian M14, still has the fire selector groove in the stock), a brand new, as in brand effin new M1 Garand, and of course my Saiga AK-47 chambered for 7.62x51 as opposed to the standard 7.62x39 the traditional AKs shoot.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

You ass, Julius, right as I hit "quote" you added even more shit. Anyway, we actually have 3 Colt M1911's, I have a Springfield M1A (Civialian M14, still has the fire selector groove in the stock), a brand new, as in brand effin new M1 Garand, and of course my Saiga AK-47 chambered for 7.62x51 as opposed to the standard 7.62x39 the traditional AKs shoot.

Hey, I'm not an ass, you're an ass****! (j/k)

yeah, I was trying to find a wish list of guns I already had to post earlier, but I couldn't find it at first, but now I did, and copy/pasted it there.

[Asper Sarnoff]

I agree with Vydrach on the Uzi. While I'm not going to pretend I've ever used one, I am truly less than impressed by the statistics and what people have told me about it. It's just a show-off weapon, and a pug-ugly one at that.

What real gun I am quite familiar with though, is the H&K AG3, which is a variety of the G3A5. This has for ages been the primary weapon of the Norwegian army, simply because it's for so long been the best option. It's currently being phased out though.

I don't have much to compare it to. Save for a few hunting rifles. But I do know I liked it rather a lot. Nice accuracy, solid constrcution, nice concept and a proper punch.

There are a few things that speak against it however. The 7,62 × 51 mm NATO caliber it uses is a little on the heavy side if you're carrying a lot of ammo. While generall solid, they are quite complex in comparison to many other firearms, as I learnt when given the opportunity to disassemble, service and put back together one again. Also, some of the earlier models had some quite low quality butts (Is that the english word for it?), which didn't like the cold here all to much. They sometimes froze and broke off. This was fixed quickly tough.

[Vy'drach]

I agree with Vydrach on the Uzi. While I'm not going to pretend I've ever used one, I am truly less than impressed by the statistics and what people have told me about it. It's just a show-off weapon, and a pug-ugly one at that.

What real gun I am quite familiar with though, is the H&K AG3, which is a variety of the G3A5. This has for ages been the primary weapon of the Norwegian army, simply because it's for so long been the best option. It's currently being phased out though.

I don't have much to compare it to. Save for a few hunting rifles. But I do know I liked it rather a lot. Nice accuracy, solid constrcution, nice concept and a proper punch.

There are a few things that speak against it however. The 7,62 × 51 mm NATO caliber it uses is a little on the heavy side if you're carrying a lot of ammo. While generall solid, they are quite complex in comparison to many other firearms, as I learnt when given the opportunity to disassemble, service and put back together one again. Also, some of the earlier models had some quite low quality butts (Is that the english word for it?), which didn't like the cold here all to much. They sometimes froze and broke off. This was fixed quickly tough.

Why I hate folding or skeletal stocks, and yes, butts is one word for the stock of a gun. And the G3 is a very solid and versatile weapon system, being made into everything from a submachine gun to a light machinegun, with a sniper weapon system as well (PSG1 and MSG90). Though with the right treatment and material, the metal can be resistant to cold. Is that what they did with your rifles?

[Asper Sarnoff]

Why I hate folding or skeletal stocks, and yes, butts is one word for the stock of a gun. And the G3 is a very solid and versatile weapon system, being made into everything from a submachine gun to a light machinegun, with a sniper weapon system as well (PSG1 and MSG90). Though with the right treatment and material, the metal can be resistant to cold. Is that what they did with your rifles?

I did think of using "stock" as well, but it didn't turn up in the dictinary.

And the stock is plastic. It didn't take the cold Norwegian winters to well at first, but became a lot better after the first years, and I haven't heard anything of it being a problem again after that. Apart from a version which was produced in about 11 000 copies, all of the around 250 000 produced had fixed stocks, which by the way was 2 cm longer than the German original, to compensate from the average Norwegian soldier being slightly larger than those of the german.

[Vy'drach]

I did think of using "stock" as well, but it didn't turn up in the dictinary.

And the stock is plastic. It didn't take the cold Norwegian winters to well at first, but became a lot better after the first years, and I haven't heard anything of it being a problem again after that. Apart from a version which was produced in about 11 000 copies, all of the around 250 000 produced had fixed stocks, which by the way was 2 cm longer than the German original, to compensate from the average Norwegian soldier being slightly larger than those of the german.

Hmm, so it was a solid, polymer stock? Odd that it would break from cold, polymer tends to be rather weather resistant, must of been a substandard polymer originally, much the same way as the British L85A1 and the German L85A1.

[Sylum]

I've never heard a mosin nagant be called a spear that shoots bullets. XD That's awesome! As for me? Colt 1911. ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL gun.

[Zicka]

Looks like some people have been playing too much Modern Warfare 2 lately.

[Sylum]

Or some people actually know what they're talking about.

[Zicka]

I see just a bunch of tacticool jargon.

[Jack Of Blades]

Ladies and gents, the chicken canon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9noPxC_Pcc

This block buster was created to see if the myth "can a bird flying into a landing airplane in speed crush the flight window" Well as you can see here, it did.. and it did far more damage then they could've imagine...

[Eagle Kammback]

The only thing preventing me from owning any guns is money right now.

Tough on my list of guns I want

Walther PPK (Shaken, not stirred)

Mare's Leg (I'm a huge Steve McQueen fan)

Desert Eagle

Colt 1911 (Can't have a gun collection without at least one)

Colt Peacemaker

Colt Texas Paterson 1836  (OK, this is more from being a fan of Supernatural, but I still like Western guns)

Double Barrel pump Shotgun, any reliable brand

Taurus 85

Reuger MKII

and this  :D

you may have seen it like this in the movie "Showtime"

[Zicka]

2- the M16 and any and all variants of it (Except for the H&K M416, as that uses a completely different operating system, fixing our problems for us), this is such a horrible weapon system, jams at the drop of a hat, and only saving grace is that the original M16 had a higher fire rate than most assault rifles (900 RPMs where most are 600), and the bullet, by accident of the design, tumbles end over end when it hits a body, causing more damage than a standard 5.56x45 round. Which it is now illegal to design a gun to do.

The M16 is a perfectly fine firearm depending whether or not you *clean it* like you are supposed to. Proper firearm care and maintenance from a good gun owner should eliminate any chance of the thing jamming on you.

[Asper Sarnoff]

I see just a bunch of tacticool jargon.

That's funny. I seem to spot some guy trying his best to troll the other members around without crossing any rules. The one he seems to have overlooked however is the one about posting in a friendly manner and not to throw insults around.

[Sylum]

Tacticool. Lol wtf? Dude you ever though that maybe some people do research before buying firearms or do research for the hell of it? Quit being so stuck up.

[Robert Monroe]

I've never heard a mosin nagant be called a spear that shoots bullets. XD That's awesome! As for me? Colt 1911. ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL gun.

Seriously? Have you seen that thing with a bayonet attatced? It is AS LONG AS I AM TALL almost. You can stab a man three people away from you!

And of course its a gun. So it shoots bullets.

you may have seen it like this in the movie "Showtime"

VERA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE YOU AREN'T EVEN A REAL GUN.

[EazyIN]

I own a .22 Caliber Semi-Automatic Rifle with Attatchable scope and a place to add a Pinpoint lazer

[CrypticQuery]

I'm a big fan of semi-automatic rifles, and semi-auto pistols too! (It was about time for a firearms thread! )

[Vy'drach]

Looks like some people have been playing too much Modern Warfare 2 lately.

Looking towards Modern Warfare 2 for accurate gun capabilities is like looking at the Teletubbies to explain the meaning of life, not going to happen.

I see just a bunch of tacticool jargon.

The M16 is a perfectly fine firearm depending whether or not you *clean it* like you are supposed to. Proper firearm care and maintenance from a good gun owner should eliminate any chance of the thing jamming on you.

The M16 is a POS, and it's variants are also a POS. Granted it's fine for range and varmint shooting, in actual battle that gun will get dirt in it and it will break. It has no reliability, and actually has poor accuracy since the XM8 is more accurate with an 18 inch barrel (in standard AR form), while the M16 has a 20 inch barrel. The M16 fails in all aspects except stopping power and ease of use.

[Geo Stelar]

I'd bet anything....

that DRL is going to mention his Hyper-Cannon here when he sees this topic.

[Guest DRL]

I'd bet anything....

that DRL is going to mention his Hyper-Cannon here when he sees this topic.

Well, technically the [shadow=white,left]Hyper-Cannon[/shadow]

is made of a mixture of Hyper-Focused Light/Electricity,

and therefore is not a firearm.

On a side note, thank you for considering

it a handy weapon. 

BUT, out of seriousness, I am not going

to spoil this thread with my 'Hyper' stuff. :oops:

[Geo Stelar]

Well, technically the [shadow=white,left]Hyper-Cannon[/shadow]

is made of a mixture of Hyper-Focused Light/Electricity,

and therefore is not a firearm.

On a side note, thank you for considering

it a handy weapon. 

BUT, out of seriousness, I am not going

to spoil this thread with my 'Hyper' stuff.

I see

(but I'm right, you still mentioned it..)