Anthros in the Uncanny Valley?

[Fira-Astrali]

I'm not sure how many people know about the Uncanny Valley. Basically, its a theory proposed by freud and expounded on by a japanese scientist. It's the idea that the more a thing looks like a human, but doesn't exactly look and act the way our minds expect a human to look and act, the more our minds find it uncomfortable to veiw. This is a major stepping block in the area of Robotics and AI.

My question is, do you think that this Uncanny Valley is part of the reason that the anthro fandom is so disliked? It seems like people are fine with anthros when they're cute and cartoony, but as soon as they start to be depicted in more realism, people start to get wierded out. What are your thoughts?

[Asper Sarnoff]

As Fira allready knows, I think this is quite an interesting theory, and we'd both be interesting in hearing other peoples thoughts on this subject as well. :)

[Kursed]

THat would be a good explnation why people dislike furries so much,

but another reason i see for the Sex Furries as I call them ways is kinda a two fold thing either they can't get enough of well sex either that or they think...well Girls are just sex toys  either view in that case is  completely wronf

[Zicka]

Freud was a quack, so I'm not sure if I should take any theory based off of him seriously.

[Asper Sarnoff]

THat would be a good explnation why people dislike furries so much,

but another reason i see for the Sex Furries as I call them ways is kinda a two fold thing either they can't get enough of well sex either that or they think...well Girls are just sex toys  either view in that case is  completely wronf

As Fira said, we think it's PART of the reason, along with the mainstream beliefs of furries as sex-crazy people, often into beastiality.

[Kursed]

As Fira said, we think it's PART of the reason, along with the mainstream beliefs of furries as sex-crazy people, often into beastiality.

welL i'm agreeing with you then.

[Fira-Astrali]

mhmn, its true that most of the fandom has been painted with the same yiffy brush, but I think that the inherent discomfort that ppl find in veiwing anthros leads them to dismiss it as yiffy, even if it isn't.

And Zicka, the idea was only proposed by Freud, the vast majority of this theory was created by the Japanese roboticist Doctor Masahiro Mori

[Star Fox Runner]

You know, that kind of makes sense. It's something that is way out of the norm, so most people would find it uncomfortable.

This could be part of the reason, and honestly yiff adds to it, but I do think there are more reasons why the furry fandom is shunned.

[Fira-Astrali]

This could be part of the reason, and honestly yiff adds to it, but I do think there are more reasons why the furry fandom is shunned.

what else, do you think?

[Guest Para Astaroth]

My view?  People just need to chill and let other people in the community showing off their anthro stuff to depict it the way they want to---nothing has to be cute and cartoonish.

[Star Fox Runner]

what else, do you think?

Well, think about some of the Furry-lifestylers who attend the fursuit conventions. Some people view other people who go to a big convention dressed as an animal to not be normal, because they have no idea why anyone would want to do that. Some find it immature, others find it to be downright creepy.

I'm a furry myself, though I have never attended a convention or fur-meet, and have never fursuited. I understand why they do it, though I find it a little disconcerting myself, so I don't find anything wrong with it.

Long story short, the furry lifestyle is just way outside the perception of what is seen as "normal living", so furries seem to fall into the "Uncanny Valley"

[Kursed]

Well, think about some of the Furry-lifestylers who attend the fursuit conventions. Some people view other people who go to a big convention dressed as an animal to not be normal, because they have no idea why anyone would want to do that. Some find it immature, others find it to be downright creepy.

I'm a furry myself, though I have never attended a convention or fur-meet, and have never fursuited. I understand why they do it, though I find it a little disconcerting myself, so I don't find anything wrong with it.

Long story short, the furry lifestyle is just way outside the perception of what is seen as "normal living", so furries seem to fall into the "Uncanny Valley"

personnly i'd rather become a true furry rather than wear a fursuit or a skin tight one.

[Guest Scorpion03]

ive heard this theory before and i personally believe that ppl like to be unique within a crowd not to stray too far away from the 'norm' however as soon as someone does it becomes weird. i dont do fur suits etc... but i do like anime conventions and i do tend to cosplay those and in return i tend to be outcast for being too far from what is considered normal. this is exactly the same as when i tell someone im a furry, they tend to dislike it

["User"]

personnly i'd rather become a true furry rather than wear a fursuit or a skin tight one.

The definition of furry can be different for everyone, hence I don't think there is such a thing as a "true furry". 

I'm a furry myself, though I have never attended a convention or fur-meet, and have never fursuited. I understand why they do it, though I find it a little disconcerting myself, so I don't find anything wrong with it.

I consider myself a furry, despite me not being an artist or having a fursona or fursuit.  Even though I could afford to fly out to conventions I'm personally a little creeped out by what I'd find there - not to mention I have no one in my area who I know who I'd travel to one with.

[Asper Sarnoff]

The definition of furry can be different for everyone, hence I don't think there is such a thing as a "true furry". 

By "True Furry", I think Kursed means being a real anthro being.

["User"]

By "True Furry", I think Kursed means being a real anthro being.

Yeah, your right.  I'm just used to differentiating between anthro and furry though.  For example, Krystal is an anthro (not a furry) and I'm a furry.  Technically it makes more sense this way and I think more furries should refer to each as such.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Yeah, your right.  I'm just used to differentiating between anthro and furry though.  For example, Krystal is an anthro and I'm a furry.  Technically it makes more sense this way and I think more furries should refer to each as such.

That's what I always do myself as well.

[Kursed]

By "True Furry", I think Kursed means being a real anthro being.

yes I just couldn't think of a better word at the time worked up in other things at the moment.(LIKE WHAT TO FREKEN DO WITH ALL THIS DANG FREETIME THIS WEEKEND!!)

[Sabre]

On the theory. I was under the impression the uncanny vally was a myth, or at very least weak. Imo the reason people are repulsed by realistic things is because they are crap. Horribly executed. Madam Tusords or whatever (the famous waxworks) are not creepy at all.

On thing not mentioned is this idea that anthros, much like cartoons, are seen as 'for kids'.

[Matt Macdowel]

enough of well sex either that or they think...well Girls are just sex toys  either view in that case is  completely wronf

girls=human being not sex toys

@topic you guys do realize that crap like this has been going on for centurys right???

[Guest DRL]

Well, that could be part of the reason.

The trouble is, we do know that mos anthros

are not like that, but the myths are easily spread.

For example, if people believe that anthro is all

about yiff, and in turn believe that yiff is bestiality,

they assume the anthro does not behaves like an

human, yet resembles it.

It is a link to the Uncanny Valley theory, yes.

[Asper Sarnoff]

@topic you guys do realize that crap like this has been going on for centurys right???

That the theory of the Uncanny Valley and furries have been going on for centuries? Please...

[Scott7]

Hmph, well I'm no furry but i can understand the feeling of wanting to be something that your not...

Especially if its something that is believed to be what feels like it should have been reality, not just dream. I'm guessing dressing up like that is a form of relief to calm down the torture tearing them apart from the inside...

[Vy'drach]

Freud was a quack, so I'm not sure if I should take any theory based off of him seriously.

Hate to agree with Zicka, but I have to here. Remember, Freud was the man who said that all human males will feel sexual attraction to their mothers in their life. I dunno about the rest of you, but that ain't the case with me, and he sounds rather sick in the head.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I'm not sure how many people know about the Uncanny Valley. Basically, its a theory proposed by freud and expounded on by a japanese scientist. It's the idea that the more a thing looks like a human, but doesn't exactly look and act the way our minds expect a human to look and act, the more our minds find it uncomfortable to veiw. This is a major stepping block in the area of Robotics and AI.

My question is, do you think that this Uncanny Valley is part of the reason that the anthro fandom is so disliked? It seems like people are fine with anthros when they're cute and cartoony, but as soon as they start to be depicted in more realism, people start to get wierded out. What are your thoughts?

I can see some truth in there...

You know, that kind of makes sense. It's something that is way out of the norm, so most people would find it uncomfortable.

This could be part of the reason, and honestly yiff adds to it, but I do think there are more reasons why the furry fandom is shunned.

I agree with Runner.