Icy Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 No, Fureox. No. Three Medics on you as Heavy. Can't survive for two seconds. That is ridiculous and insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I have not been around due to moving shenanigans, but I was told to come here and check this out. I see people saying stacking was happening, others saying it was fine. I have my suspicions that the rage tonight came from Fureox. Again. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I have not been around due to moving shenanigans, but I was told to come here and check this out. I see people saying stacking was happening, others saying it was fine. I have my suspicions that the rage tonight came from Fureox. Again. Why? Basically it's people not having nearly as much fun because Fureox and Mopbuckets have gone heavy/medic every map the last game nights and in a lot of cases single handily making or breaking an offense or defense as well as getting some insane K:D ratios (I posted a screenshot earlier documenting that. 81 kills and 4 deaths I think that one time on Steel). It's causing a lot of people to get upset. Personally I don't care either way. Yeah sure I might have made a little retort at the constant heavy/medic I'm seeing from those two but IMO playing against solid players and what not makes you better in the end and forces you to try new things. That first round on badlands for example I tried avoided Fureox and get picks on Mop, with varying degrees of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Basically it's people not having nearly as much fun because Fureox and Mopbuckets have gone heavy/medic every map the last game nights and in a lot of cases single handily making or breaking an offense or defense as well as getting some insane K:D ratios (I posted a screenshot earlier documenting that. 81 kills and 4 deaths I think that one time on Steel). It's causing a lot of people to get upset. Personally I don't care either way. Yeah sure I might have made a little retort at the constant heavy/medic I'm seeing from those two but IMO playing against solid players and what not makes you better in the end and forces you to try new things. That first round on badlands for example I tried avoided Fureox and get picks on Mop, with varying degrees of success. Indeed, they were far from undeafetable. Just cause they could be directly killed people assumed they were invicible. Manurvieing and team work however solved the problem. I got plently of kills on fureox and mopbukets. That being said, heavy medic constantly and perfussualy with out reasonable cause is dishonorable. The obvious solution is for fureox to commit seppuku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureox Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Three Medics on you as Heavy. Can't survive for two seconds. That is ridiculous and insane. I never asked for this. I wanted to play with Mop, you can take that up with User and whoever else was pocketing me. I can't control what they do. Don't rage at me for it. Also, we lost those matches. So yeah. Basically it's people not having nearly as much fun because Fureox and Mopbuckets have gone heavy/medic every map the last game nights and in a lot of cases single handily making or breaking an offense or defense as well as getting some insane K:D ratios (I posted a screenshot earlier documenting that. 81 kills and 4 deaths I think that one time on Steel). It's causing a lot of people to get upset. So basically people are mad that we are doing really well because we coordinate and synergize with each other in-game. I feel there is something wrong with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Banning heavy/medics is unrealistic, and unreasonable. That said, 3+ medics on one heavy is pushing it. Random teams will happen as soon as I can find a plugin that doesn't also prevent switching teams. Beyond this, I'm not sure what can be done. Though I am open to suggestions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I know, Fureox. I really don't have anything against you. It was just the most frustrating thing tonight, not even being able to survive outside spawn for a few seconds. This random teams thing sounds good, but I dunno if it'll help or not. I just want people to look at it this way. Typically DZ joins a team first then the bros all join his team and it ends up in a stack. I don't mind "naming names" but I notice User has been joining the stacked team at every chance the past few game nights. Having stax + a super scout is really bad and if User (a good player and someone most people on the server recognize) was on the opposite team of DZ/Fureox/Gene/etc from time to time, it would really help. I try to join the best team to make the games fun for everyone, and I just want everyone else to look at the scoreboard when at the teams selection screen very closely before joining a team. Really, stacking/unfair teams hasn't been a problem at all lately. Just this Heavy nonsense tonight was crazy. There never really was any real stacking. Edit: Really, simply.. I just would like to see people use random teams and if they see that the teams are unfair/unbalanced a bit, then to join a team that will make the game better for everyone. We all just want to have fun and stacking hasn't been a problem in forever, unfair teams happen but stacking hasn't been a problem in a while. I'm good. I'll stop complaining too, unless something really stupid is happening, but eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 After a long Skype convo with Gene, I have arrived at the following solution; Shut up and play the game. It seems that everyone in the server got absolutely shat on by one heavy medic. This objectively means you are terrible at TF2 and used no coordination or planning at all to actually get around this. I have seen the addition of other names being tossed around to justify it, like User guarding the flank. User is not a terribly good scout, he is intermediate at best like the rest of our 'star players.' I am 100% positive that the stacking problem is not so much stacking as it is our baby ass players trying to be on the side they think has the highest chance because I have seen, without a doubt, that our players cannot take a loss without blaming something and feeling cheated. Again, Fureox and his medic single handed SHAT ON EVERYONE because none of you losers will make any attempt to coordinate or counter him, and just want the star players to do it for you. Heavy is slow. He has shitty effective range. he literally cannot fight more than one opponent. There is no reason this should have happened at all. I'm ashamed of you guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Inari Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It's less random teams and more "Oh so-and-so is pretty good, along with him too, and that dude too. Maybe I should be on the other team as them" rather than JOINING their team. Certain people need to get out other their comfort zones and play against their "bros." or at least be aware of your own skill and others' and not just pick for the 'easy win.' People need to make a conscious choice on joining a team that MIGHT lose, rather than going for the team they feel will win, even without them. When everyone picks for the win, the whole server suffers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It's less random teams and more "Oh so-and-so is pretty good, along with him too, and that dude too. Maybe I should be on the other team as them" rather than JOINING their team. Certain people need to get out other their comfort zones and play against their "bros." or at least be aware of your own skill and others' and not just pick for the 'easy win.' People need to make a conscious choice on joining a team that MIGHT lose, rather than going for the team they feel will win, even without them. When everyone picks for the win, the whole server suffers. You pretty much said it right there. That's all I've ever tried to get across to anyone. And as I already said in my last post, we haven't had full-on stacking in a long time. Unfair/unbalanced teams will happen. That's what scrambles are for. If there ever really is a stack then yeah, we should all shut up and fix it. But it hasn't been a problem in months IMO. The only thing I'm complaining about was the crazy Heavying tonight. It was just insane. BUT later on once we were all getting our asses kicked we started trying to organize pushes and counters, and it was working for the most part. Especially on Gravel Pit, thanks to Rob and his wonderful motivating. :3 No hard feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 User is not a terribly good scout This is what I've been telling people for a long time now...glad to see someone echo it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Inari Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Milky thinks NO ONE on SFO is good, including himself. "Good" is relative. Yeah, User, you may be an average Scout, but compared to the rest of SFO, you're the "best" Scout. I mean, if you can jack the #1 spot from me with how slanted the point system is to Medic with a K/D over 2, there is something to it. Yeah TF2 ain't about kills, but Scout specifically is. I reiterate my point that people need to stop picking to win. See three "good" players on one team and none on the other? and you're a "good" player, pick the one that has none, please? Our regulars that are also our 'top players' should know better than that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I personally welcome the team assaigner. If teams are Slated one way or another at that point atleast it wasn't on prupose. I've noticed quite a few of you will join, and despite there being a open spot on the other team, you take time to sit and wait for a spot to open up on the winning team. Unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I love how Mop and I have caused so much butthurt. Teamstacking? With 2 people? out of 16 players??? Give me a break. Take your lumps like a man, private twinkle-toes. Fureox, I've got some serious respect for you. You're a fantastic player, possibly one of the best if not the best heavy I know of. However, this also means that it takes an entire team to kill you and Mopbuckets, so people are going to be mad. Juggernaut heavy and stupidly high scores tends to elicit feelings of rage. "Fureox is destroying you guys" doesen't help much either :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureox Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 We feed off their anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DZComposer Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 I don't want people to leave the server over this. I know, it is a stupid reason, but being a smartass about it is not going to help the situation. The goal is for everybody to have fun. I'll be honest, being on a shit team round-after-round is not really much fun. But, there is very little I can do to the server to ensure skill-balanced teams. Some of it is that we need to learn how this game works. I'll be honest for a moment, there is very very little proper TF2 play that happens on our server. Not one of us is innocent of this charge. We don't stay together, we don't protect the medic, we play the third sniper, second spy, or the third offense engie. We use our mics to gloat or rage and talk about furry sprays rather than about what is happening on the battlefield. We don't listen when someone reports something on the mic. We like to use alltalk and mioc spam for some fucking reason. We don't organize pushes. We don't follow the uber in. We don't airblast the enemy uber. We don't counter-uber. We don't go for medic picks. Some if it is the random chance of pubber skills. As I said earlier, some pubbers are decent, others suck horribly. There is nothing we can do about this. If the pubbers don't want to coordinate, then fuck them. Coordinate without them. If we can set aside our pride and make sure our community members join BOTH teams and play TF2 as it was designed to be played, pubber skill is less of a determinant. Also, some of it is a desire to be on the winning team that is so strong, you feel like you have to join the team with the best players. Firstly, this is not how you improve. Coordination can overcome skill imbalance. I've tried to make HLStats award teamwork as much as possible. That is why objectives, healing, putting out burning people, etc. all count for points. Don't be afraid to play against the better players. Especially if you and the other SF-O members on your team can form a coordinated unit. This unit will carry your team. Heavy/Medics are vulnerable. Even if the heavy is decent at protecting his medic. Pincer moves are probably the most effective strategy. Pincer the medic, then bum-rush the heavy. Problem solved. Also, let me reiterate. Don't be a smartass about this right now. Our TF2 community is fracturing, and not taking this seriously will lead back to the times where we were lucky for game nights to last an hour before everyone left and the server was empty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidi Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Agreed. I'm not an experienced TF2 player, but it really didn't feel all that great playing last night. Let's just work with each other and get some act together. In rep hockey, I hate it when teammates refuse to work together over the smallest issues. This happens frequently, and when they do, the entire team falls apart. It gets worse when there are no leaders, or when the team leader (Captain) poorly leads the team. Same applies here. I think we really need people like experienced players and admins to take the lead. That way, we can all play our game, and receive help from more experienced players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I'll try to implement things a bit differently on my end for game nights from now on, hopefully the other experienced players will do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psy_commando Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Well, I didn't think it was all that bad, I got killed lots of times by Fureox too, but so was I by most of the top players. I was a little shocked by the number of medics though. Besides we actually won on gravelpit against his uber medic team of doom. And lost to him and a single medic on nucleus.. But honestly, I think its more an issue with Nucleus than with Fureox. On every server I go running nucleus, the team who camps wins, and there's always a team that camps on nucleus. And about stacking, one thing that I noticed, is that even if we got team SFO (stacked team of SFO players) against pubbers, team SFO doesn't win all that often. As for the problem of getting owned by one class, I tend to believe its a side effect from class limits. I'm not exactly sure why, but it happened on all the servers with class limits I went on ... Maybe its not that though, or maybe someone has a better explanation ? Also, Fureox: I never asked for this. :3 And here are the videos for Saturday's game night (there are a few missing parts, TF2 crashed and corrupted some of my recording beyond repair ) : (censored) (censored) (<- most boring game of the night on Steel ! All 31 minutes of it ! ) ***************************** Part 10 : http://tinyurl.com/9w7sk6v ***************************** ( All done ! the last one has to be a link because I hit the media limit per post apparently, and I had to use tinyurl so the stupid editor doesn't convert my tags into tags, and thus keep hitting the media limit ! And you better really watch those vids, or I won't be amused ! ) EDIT:: Just for your own information, don't ever use Wax 2.0 movie editor from Debug Mode, it crashes a lot, doesn't save track positions for keyframes correctly, and it can't output your video correctly most of the time Also, I spent waaaaayyyy too much time on this, thanks to shitty freeware movie editors, 2 entire days + the night of the game night ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shaper Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 You miss one game night and apparently the apocalypse itself takes place.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 OK SO I KINDA AGREE WITH GENE, KINDA AGREE WITH MILK, ETC Last night was a myriad of things. Fureox is a great player, period. He had a surgically attatched medic. He had User and DZ giving good support. Meanwhile, our team just kept barreling out of spawn and dying. A lot. It was not a stack. it was a failure to teamwork. Fureox died EASILY when Me and Icy ambushed him. When Firebug puff+stinged them both. When he got flanked by stickies. Nucleus is a map that favors Heavy. Every map favors certain classes more than others, and Fureox knew to stick to where he had an advantage (high ground + tight chokes). Teams were generally even as far as "brand name" players go. it was not a stack. HOWEVER. Fureox, User, whoever. Some good sportsmanship doesn't hurt. If you totally annihilate the entire enemy several times over and it causes an uproar... then consider jumping ship. What's more important, winning, or everyone having fun? I jump ship when I devastate teams (granted this doesn't happen much anymore), Milky does it, you get the idea. Swallow some pride and mix up the teams every once in a while, it won't hurt you. THAT SAID. People, it's a goddamn video game. Don't get so mad about these things. Stay cool, stay courteous, stay friendly. We are all buddies, here. We're a shitty clan, but dammit, it's still a clan. A brotherhood, a family. I love all you goddamn losers to death, and would hate for any of you all to go. We don't need to be flinging DEAL WITH ITS and FUCKING STAX at each other, come on. On pubs thats ok, but here? We're better than that. ALL of us are. And I'm not saying this high and mighty, I've fucked up too. I ragequit the server for 6 months and last night I acted like a tiny child every time Firebug killed me as engineer. Things happen, but we can't let these things ruin us. lrn 2 teamwork, lrn 2 get stomped, lrn 2 consider the losers. Peace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 9:30 to 9:45 with a screen cap at 9:38 with the sprays just made my night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomulanNinja Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 So.. I was just thinking... Why don't we all just get some manners and pick random team every time we start a map. And if you are on a very unbalanced team, switch to give the other team a chance... I know we have some respectable people on SFO and some polite ones.. All I am asking is people, stop the drama and pick random for once. PS. I know some of you do this already, to that I applaud you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 So.. I was just thinking... Why don't we all just get some manners and pick random team every time we start a map. And if you are on a very unbalanced team, switch to give the other team a chance... I know we have some respectable people on SFO and some polite ones.. All I am asking is people, stop the drama and pick random for once. PS. I know some of you do this already, to that I applaud you. I'm going to try and do this next game night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroberson Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Just a thought, but could the losing team maybe pick someone from the winning side to join them? That way the person that is doing well but may not realize that they are doing a decent job in game could be asked to switch because they are doing particularly well. I know our star players around here know who they are, but as far as the others just having a good night of game time...they could be pointed out. Also, I might be saying something stupid. But it surprises me that there isn't some procedure for the server to balance characters based on the points they have. Not exactly a perfect system but a lot better than scrambling a team and end up getting one side with a MVP player scoring a max of 50 points and others like Psy, User, or whoever are all piled up on the other team with scores far exceeding 100 each. Not pointing fingers at anyone since I will hardly cry about losing to someone who is more skilled than I, it just really isn't much fun being spanked so badly in each game that sometimes the rounds last less than a minute (which happened a few times, to which when alltalk came on, we were promptly informed just how bad we apparently are without anybody switching teams to balance things out) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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