Milkyway64 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yes, and Milky's post spelled them out for you. However, the term "situational" loses it's meaning when you use it in ALL SITUATIONS. We also never named out Psy for h8, just the weapon. The fact he uses it almost to the point of notoriety is moot. BB encourages bad habits just like any other non-stock Soldier weapon. Milky is just doing his part at OUR GLORIOUS LEADER GENERAL MAN and telling us this. Bad habits exactly like the ones shown in his game night videos. Such as overload jumping just for the sake of and arriving at the battle in red HP, shooting only singular rockets at foes (matching the DPS of a completely unloaded launcher) and etc, all for the sake of those occasional lucky kills when someone rounds the corner while he happens to have a full load of 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psy_commando Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Overload jumping is so damn fun I just can't bring myself to not take any chance I get at using it ! It almost beats pogo jumping / boosting. Watch this and tell me that it doesn't look fun when its done properly (well mostly properly) : http://youtu.be/QC_iKjKM2GA And, its not by chance that I have my RL loaded while turning a corner. I literally am constantly filling it with rockets, especially when turning a corner. There are so many ways to get ammo back that its not a problem to waste rockets like that. And people keep coming in this game, its hard not to stumble on someone on the other team. Also, another thing I like is how people take cover when you're spamming them (when they survive), its almost like suppressive fire. And overload jumping is a key component in my use of the BB, well when there's enough open space, not like in junction. That technique allow you to make quick bombing runs on a target, and quickly head back to safety to restock and heal. Or just make you hard to hit while you're nuking something. And with the gunboats, health loss from the blast is negligible, you just have to watch out for fall damage, and good snipers. I'm not doing it very well yet though, and it shows. And also, you can take a quick fix medic for a ride. I tested it with bot medics, they go flying and can actually follow you for a while if everything goes well. Not sure if a quick fix is that useful afterward though. And I'm not convinced its that easy to pick up that weapon and using its full potential, I see so many people use it to hit faraway targets, or wait until they're in trouble to start loading the launcher, or that don't even overload jump with it even if it makes you much harder to hit. And I also got pretty impressed by what a good rocket jumper can do with it, I've seen a few really good soldiers pulling some really nice tricks consistently. But if you've made your mind about it, suit yourself ! Also I forgot to mention that I didn't only get flak for using it ! To my surprise I actually got complimented a few times, not as much as a I get flak though. And I'll say it again, I'm certainly not planning to be a competitive player, so I don't really care all that much about not playing like one. I already got my shot at it back on bf1942 in the QC1 clan, we enrolled in a tournament with other clans, and I didn't like it. People get way too serious in those. Also, there's no structure at all in what i wrote, and it may not make much sense. I'm feeling sick and I got a headache too, so I can't really concentrate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well like Milky said, the BB has its place and its situational uses. But if you wanna be a good soldier all around, you gotta lrn2stock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomulanNinja Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well, once again my ideas have been shut down! But it's okay, because I know how stubborn every community can be :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Sure, the Beggar's Bazooka is situational, blah blah, etc. What really matters, though, is what a player wants to use. If Psy_Commando wants to use it, then let him. If it is annoying a lot of other players then something may be wrong, but if not (and I have yet to witness a round where people were complaining about the BB) then it really doesn't matter. Also, I'm completely free this Friday and Saturday, will be the next weekend, and probably the next as well. So that's nice. I'll always be around to play on Fridays (aside from rare exceptions like last Friday) but if there's a football game around game time on Saturdays then I won't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 If Psy_Commando wants to use it, then let him. bingo, honestly i hate the axtiguisher degreaser combo, infact i hate that entire class! but i don't complain its part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 There's a difference between complaining about things you don't like and trying to urge Psy to improve his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psy_commando Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 This whole discussion made me realize something. I think part of the reason I stubbornly stick with the BB is because when I began using the weapon out of curiosity and because I saw Gene using it with success in MvM like one month ago, I read lots review and commentary from people saying its bad, and yet there are those few awesome vids of it in action. I pretty much went Going back to the stock launcher feels like giving in ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 This whole discussion made me realize something. I think part of the reason I stubbornly stick with the BB is because when I began using the weapon out of curiosity and because I saw Gene using it with success in MvM like one month ago, I read lots review and commentary from people saying its bad, and yet there are those few awesome vids of it in action. I pretty much went Going back to the stock launcher feels like giving in ! It's best to start learning using stock equipment in all cases IMO. Save for perhaps Pyro as that stock set is horrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 This whole discussion made me realize something. I think part of the reason I stubbornly stick with the BB is because when I began using the weapon out of curiosity and because I saw Gene using it with success in MvM like one month ago, I read lots review and commentary from people saying its bad, and yet there are those few awesome vids of it in action. I pretty much went Going back to the stock launcher feels like giving in ! Deliberatley handicapping yourself is not badass and refusing to lrn2stock is not giving in. It's just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomulanNinja Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Deliberatley handicapping yourself is not badass and refusing to lrn2stock is not giving in. It's just stupid. There is a difference between urging Psy to improve his game, and being a jerk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I do agree Rob is being a bit harsh. Psy can do whatever he wants. Stock soldiers are the best but hey, I'm not complaining. I love seeing him spray his BB around. And I end up dead quite often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 He CAN do whatever he wants, but everything still rings true. Those players are only good with the BB because they understand the exact intricacies of its strength and weaknesses and how to use them optimally. And it's still a spammy weapon, he even admits to just always load when rounding a corner JUST IN CASE someone's there he can kill before they know what hit em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 guys, i think he does well enough with it, i back stab him alot less then in do all of you! so maybe learn from him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yeah, I really do not get the issue here. He does fine. Let him play the game how he wants. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 guys, i think he does well enough with it, i back stab him alot less then in do all of you! so maybe learn from him? Not according to your kill stats, you've killed him more than anyone else on the server. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkyway64 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Not according to your kill stats, you've killed him more than anyone else on the server. BUUUUURRRN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Inari Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Not according to your kill stats, you've killed him more than anyone else on the server. Because Psy also has the most deaths of the server by a significant margin; Psy has 3,200 to next-most-deaths of Icy's 2,000. So... Everyone has killed Psy more than anyone else on the server. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thu'um Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 BUUUUURRRN actualy no, psy clocks more time then all of you too. And i can say he honest to god more competent then about my abilities then all of you. I just avoid him now, especially when he is engi. no matter how slick i am with the knife and sapper he ALWAYS gets me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 There is a difference between urging Psy to improve his game, and being a jerk. I did urge him. And then he said something stupid. Calling it for what it is, bro. His whole "challenge accepted" thing is nothing more than him trying to fit a square slot into a round hole and having some damn fool pride about it. ALSO OH NO ROB'S BEING A JERK SOMEONE CALL NATIONAL TV That's not even a contender for the top 100 rudest things I've said, chill out some bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"User" Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Total time played is not the be all and end all when determining things like "who dies the most". You gotta take the number of deaths and the total time played and determine a "deaths per minute" rate. I wish HLStats did that for you but based on my initial calculations on that rate for a variety of people I'm standing by my post. I noticed last night Psy you were excessively practicing with the stock launcher for hours on Tr_walkway and doing pretty well from what I saw with your rocket, wall, and pogo jumping. It was nice of you to join me and Romulan for some MGE yesterday but I wouldn't be so down on yourself you weren't as bad as you were making yourself out to be. I'd give it another shot next time you get the chance, try not to be intimidated by the better players on those types of servers, playing better players will make you better in the short and long term. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomulanNinja Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I did urge him. And then he said something stupid. Calling it for what it is, bro. His whole "challenge accepted" thing is nothing more than him trying to fit a square slot into a round hole and having some damn fool pride about it. ALSO OH NO ROB'S BEING A JERK SOMEONE CALL NATIONAL TV That's not even a contender for the top 100 rudest things I've said, chill out some bro. I just feel that this could be a nicer community, to make some people feel welcome. You aren't helping out much. I'd like to see more people here but if we all keep shutting them down for a specific item they are using (BB, DR, enforcer, spy cicle) then maybe they will realize we are a mean community and leave. Not ragin or nothin, so I don't get why people keep telling me to calm down. Gah, now that I think about it, SFO was actually more enjoyable when I only posted 5 then just played on the server. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psy_commando Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 He CAN do whatever he wants, but everything still rings true. Those players are only good with the BB because they understand the exact intricacies of its strength and weaknesses and how to use them optimally. And it's still a spammy weapon, he even admits to just always load when rounding a corner JUST IN CASE someone's there he can kill before they know what hit em. You know, its just a theory, but maybe just maybe I'm using the BB extensively to learn to "understand the exact intricacies of its strength and weaknesses and how to use them optimally". I did urge him. And then he said something stupid. Calling it for what it is, bro. His whole "challenge accepted" thing is nothing more than him trying to fit a square slot into a round hole and having some damn fool pride about it. Well, since when is a "challenge accepted" not something stupid anyways ? And what if the square piece was small enough to fit within the round hole ? And guys, I don't think arguing about this will get us anywhere at this point. And thanks to those who defended me, but I don't think its really necessary. I think the others just tried to help, a little aggressively, but still tried to help. Like when you tell a smoker he's stupid for smoking and expect him to quit. I noticed last night Psy you were excessively practicing with the stock launcher for hours on Tr_walkway and doing pretty well from what I saw with your rocket, wall, and pogo jumping. It was nice of you to join me and Romulan for some MGE yesterday but I wouldn't be so down on yourself you weren't as bad as you were making yourself out to be. I'd give it another shot next time you get the chance, try not to be intimidated by the better players on those types of servers, playing better players will make you better in the short and long term. Well I was mostly practicing pogo jumping / boosting. And when it worked I couldn't reproduce it again. Its one of the things that keep me from finishing some jump maps.. And about MGE, It was pretty intimidating to get owned that bad. I had killed that quentin guy like one or 2 times, and he got to like 7 before my game crashed. I should have taken my shotgun along, the stock launcher takes forever to reload .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I just feel that this could be a nicer community, to make some people feel welcome. You aren't helping out much. I'd like to see more people here but if we all keep shutting them down for a specific item they are using (BB, DR, enforcer, spy cicle) then maybe they will realize we are a mean community and leave. Not ragin or nothin, so I don't get why people keep telling me to calm down. Gah, now that I think about it, SFO was actually more enjoyable when I only posted 5 then just played on the server. Romulan, I was being nice until Psy went about his "challenge accepted" crap. I don't care if people use one of the few crutch weapons (even I use them! When I Pyro, I exclusively use the Phlog because I'm bad at anything that requires -skill-), but when someone who in the face of evidence that shows them the weapon they prefer to use is crippling their ability and learning curve, but still insist on using it, it can be frustrating. BB has its place. So does the dead ringer. However, when you obsessively try and force the BB in situations where it doesn't work, two things happen: either you discover something new and amazing, or you end up dragging behind. Usually it's the second. If you want to make the use out of the BB as best you can, then go for it, but if you want to improve your soldier game, you gotta learn when to put it down. Lots of weird combos can be made to work, but they only do so to a degree (see: Wrangler + Mini sentry). And on the side note, I'm not raging. You haven't seen me rage. I never wish to rage again on SFO, for those were dark times. Be a little more thick skinned about the word "stupid" in a situation where it certainly applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomulanNinja Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I am going to go ahead and urge everyone to not converse about this topic anymore. I'm done getting my ideas shut down as soon as I state it. But really, ANYTHING I post on this website gets shut down as soon as I state it. I think i will try to go back to the good ol' days and just focus on the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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