Official SF-O TF2 Server (DEPRECATED)

[The Shaper]

Damn I should have switched my name back before I left. The stats think my username is still Mayor Burt Reynolds. -_-

[Scourge]

*shrug* Not this again.

SFO has been being extremely fun as of late. So much teamwork on Friday. Tonight… not so much. But I joined really late, and most of the regulars were gone.

I don't see how anything's not fun about it, unless you're constantly dying. (Which I am, by the way, and still find it fun)

I love people talking on their mics, no matter what it is. It makes you realize you're playing with real people like yourself.

Scourge and his constant comical rages are great and everyone has been really nice to each other lately.

I don't understand why you guys don't think it's fun.

But to each his own. Just voicing my opinion.

Tonight was awesome! Even though I joined really late. I found a NAME TAG in the item drop.

Even when I got auto-balanced to the team full of pubbers vs SFOers, it was still awesome. Even though we got rolled every time.

Forgot to change my spray to NYG logo…

Anyway, I want to get a spontaneous game going sometime before Friday. I have some catching up to do. And TF2 has been so much fun these past two nights I don't want it to stop.

Slight issue with the rages-thing, I tripped on my mic cord and apparently god saw fit to make that the reason this headset thats been trucking along for 3 years should die... so for right now, im out mic with the exception of my webcam's (WHICH SOUNDS HORRIBLE BTW). Probably gonna get a new one today, no promises tho.

Also thanks for the defense, here I was hoping the disingenious accusations about my actions were over.

[Milkyway64]

Except for the part where your rages aren't enjoyable and only serve towards the effect I was mentioning.

It's not just me, either.

Not counting Fluxy, I know at least 5 other players on the server who agree.

I love people talking on their mics, no matter what it is. It makes you realize you're playing with real people like yourself.

Until you have them screaming or worse singing into the mic all the time about things unrelated and unrelatable, or worse, yelling at his team for their lack of help or competence.

I also quite enjoy how everytime I say something to this effect, I only happened to join on a "bad night" and the week's other night was better and etc etc. Starting to not believe it. I can't "conviniently" only join when teamwork and fun factor is at a low this many times in a row, people.

[Icy]

Until you have them screaming or worse singing into the mic all the time about things unrelated and unrelatable, or worse, yelling at his team for their lack of help or competence.

I like that. On any server from anyone. If we're not doing well then we need people yelling at us.

I really don't know how you keep getting in "bad games" because lately it's been fine. (Friday, Saturday, and the week before last when I was still playing)

But you have your opinions, I have mine. If you don't think it's fun, then it's not fun for you.

I'm still going to have fun and I am still going to defend Scourge and encourage him to join. If people don't like him then may they please SPEAK OUT in public, to his face, and tell him. No point in hiding if it's messing up the game for you.

Personally, he's my favorite player from SFO. But *shrug* whatever.

I just don't want certain people (read: Scourge) to get the wrong idea from Milky, Fluxy, whoever else is not having "fun" anymore. If they're not going to join anymore I don't want other people to think they should quit playing as well because they think they're responsible, etc.

[Xortberg]

Just as a foreword, I'm aware that I'm technically not really part of the server anymore, since I haven't played in months. I'm just throwing in my two cents.

I like that. On any server from anyone. If we're not doing well then we need people yelling at us.

That's just stupid. That's what makes the LoL community suck so much dick. If we're doing bad, we need calm, coordinated communication, not rage about how everyone sucks.

I'm still going to have fun and I am still going to defend Scourge and encourage him to join. If people don't like him then may they please SPEAK OUT in public, to his face, and tell him. No point in hiding if it's messing up the game for you.

Well, Milky and Fluxy already have, and now I am, so yeah. Nobody's really hiding or anything. I just don't normally try to cause real confrontations, especially when they're about a server I no longer go to. Milky's reasons all apply to why I left, though, so I'm just an older case of the same problem with less patience and incentive to be there than Milky had.

[Robert Monroe]

>miss a game night

>that night is always bad

ok guys am I like some sort of magical fun god whose very presence makes everything ok because serrrrrrrrriously.

... I don't want my bros to leave :(

[Gene Inari]

I tried showing up. Was there for about one map, but because I woke up from a nap and my body and brain were still in sleep mode, I promptly got off and fell back straight to sleep. @_@

And yeah guys, just stick with it. I started raging at the losses myself, but now I just don't give a damn 95% of the time. I'm mostly just here to keep my bros alive and fill a spot. If I can go full-time Doc, basically surrendering all control of how much fun I have by not sitting at a respawn screen to my team, I think you guys can pull it off too.

I only bailed last night because I wasn't even conscious enough to focus, let alone think and do well enough to be useful.

[Fluxy]

Icy, I get you have your opinions, and you telling us if we don't like it, we can leave if we don't, usually would work. But it's not just one or two people. It's a group of members. Really. The only people I really saw ever defending Scourge's case was yourself and User. I may be missing some others, but the point is, a lot of people find his 'Rages' annoying, irritating, and degrading to the enjoyment of the game.

Point being, if it's affecting that many players of this community, and the issue is something like 'Comedical Ragings' then really.... Is it -that- hard to stop it? And if you're doing bad you need people to yell at you? I agree with xort on that being completely silly. All they want is the annoying rants to stop. If it was only one person, and everyone else loved it, then it'd be a totally different story. But this is not that small a thing. =/

EDIT: Also, Icy, I did tell him to stop on some of the nights I was on. A few times, actually. Just so you know.

[Icy]

Okay, look. Someone create a poll asking if we should perma-mute Scourge and THEN let's see how many people are against him. If it's really a group or just a few people who can't enjoy it anymore.

I find it "silly" that you guys make such a big deal out of it. If there's someone who's annoying you on their mic you can still play. We get some pubbers who annoy me like crazy with their mics, but I bear with it.

If Scourge is such a problem to you guys, then do what I said. Take a vote. I personally don't understand it, but whatever. I guess it doesn't concern me.

And yeah, you don't need people blindly yelling at you when you're doing bad. That won't help. I didn't understand what Milky was saying, I guess.

So tell me one time when that has happened? I don't recall anyone blindly yelling at the team and telling them how they suck in the last ~6 months. ‎‎‎I DO, however, recall a lot of teamwork and helpful yelling/commanding from many different members over the past few months.

I really don't like being involved in debates. But I will continue to defend my point of view until this is cleared up. :‎

[Milkyway64]

It's not "losing" Gene. We can take losses. I play goddamn Touhou regularly, a game whose genre is designed to kill the player over and over. Also, directly following Saturday's game, I went and played a A Link To The Past rom hack with some pretty overdone difficulty, I enjoyed it more than I did the previous hour or two in TF2.

Secondly, Icy's just sorta brown nosing scourge here. While Scourge is not the only problem, he's certainly the biggest in his area, and not all of us like being talked down on as you seem to enjoy, Icy.

[Fluxy]

Icy, really, just listen and try to see where we are coming from. Seriously. Not only are you the only one defending Scourge, but now a lot more than just one person is bringing this up. Multiple people, and we can bring the rest who don't find any fun in Scourge's constant, as you still claim, comedy rages. Mul-ti-ple. You keep saying "If people really don't like it, do as I say, hold a vote". We don't want him anyone to be banned from using their mic, just to simply stop the problem. And, you're the only one trying to defend his case.

And if a retort to my statement is that I haven't been able to play much lately, which is a valid retort, I'll add this. The main thing I remember from the times I -did- play, is as I already said. If we were losing and scourge was on the team, no one had fun cause all it was, were complaint after complaint. Now yeah, a lot of other players did that too, and that's just wrong. It's one thing to say, "Hey, the teams seem a bit unbalanced, can we have a scramble or something?" but it's anouther to constantly bitch about it like I remember him doing. I actually remember the last time I was able to play. I was playing a combat engie and using the mini sentry on defense. Why? Because that is how I wanted to have fun. I wasn't doing a bad job either. Not great, but that's because I'm not a great player. Who was the first person to bitch at fluxy for doing that? Scourge. "Really? Mini sentry on defense??" and it only continued from there, and it also got DZ to try and defend Scourge's point. I remember that scene quite well, and can expand if you truly wish.

Now if that is something you enjoy, which I totally get how some people could like that, that's your thing. But the general public, do not enjoy that. I can assure you of this. But hey. That's my two cents. I really don't have any up to date proof or anything of the sort. Only what I remember that proves that I can still see how he is still being an issue, and you are still fighting the same case and trying to protect him, when really, only more people are now starting to come out and say "Enough is enough".

[Icy]

Okay then. Forget I said anything.

I see where you're coming from but I have nothing to say about it. You may/may not see my side and even if you do we can't do anything about it either way. So whatever. Do whatever you guys want. I've argued my point as much as I can and there's nothing else to say, really.

I just don't want Scourge to leave or anything to happen to the server. I fear something will happen if this gets any worse. The LAST thing SFO needs is more drama and here we are, making more drama.

I'll just go play TF2 on SFO's server Friday night and see what happens.

[Xortberg]

Okay, look. Someone create a poll asking if we should perma-mute Scourge and THEN let's see how many people are against him. If it's really a group or just a few people who can't enjoy it anymore.

Yeah, this is a really loaded scenario you're presenting. Scourge's frequent rages annoyed the fuck out of me when I played, and even then I wouldn't vote for a permanent mute on the guy. That's overreacting, like Fluxy said.

I find it "silly" that you guys make such a big deal out of it. If there's someone who's annoying you on their mic you can still play. We get some pubbers who annoy me like crazy with their mics, but I bear with it.

If Scourge is such a problem to you guys, then do what I said. Take a vote. I personally don't understand it, but whatever. I guess it doesn't concern me.

Milky is making a "big deal" out of it because it's made it so that he can't even enjoy the game enough to want to put up with it for adminning purposes. Scourge isn't the only reason I stopped playing, but he did contribute. Even if I was filling a role and doing it well, I got fed up with hearing him constantly bitch at the rest of the team, yell all the time that he needs Medics and other such things. Here, I'll give my own little anecdote. Once, I was playing Medic, and he was a Heavy. I had him overhealed, but especially given my own belief that pocketing a Heavy in a smallish match is kinda douchey, I decided he could live with 450 health while I healed an almost dead someone-or-other. Immediately after I stopped healing him, he started yelling for a Medic so loud I had to take my headphones off. I really don't think that just saying I should deal with it - especially as often and as loudly as he rages - is fair to everyone else who has a problem.

Also, if it doesn't concern you, then why say this:

I really don't like being involved in debates. But I will continue to defend my point of view until this is cleared up. :\‎

Just wondering. Seems kinda contradictory.

And yeah, you don't need people blindly yelling at you when you're doing bad. That won't help.

And even more contradictions! Because earlier, you said this:

If we're not doing well then we need people yelling at us.

Eeyup.

[Icy]

Also, if it doesn't concern you, then why say this:

Just wondering. Seems kinda contradictory.

[..]

And even more contradictions! Because earlier, you said this:

First: Different subject, wasn't contradicting myself.

Second:

I explained in my post. Read it again.

I'm done here. See ya guys Friday night, whoever shows up. ^^

[Xortberg]

I love it when people only pick out a small portion of my entire post and make one feeble argument. It reminds me of Sabre, and all the times he did that thinking he was smart.

Good times.

[Fluxy]

First: Different subject, wasn't contradicting myself.

Second:

I explained in my post. Read it again.

I'm done here. See ya guys Friday night, whoever shows up. ^^

I know you said you're done here, and if you don't read this, that's fine, buuuut, even if both are from different posts, that is still contradicting of you to say that. If we are doing bad, we need people yelling at us. Then going and saying "And yeah, you don't need people blindly yelling at you when you do bad"... That's a contradiction. Quite blatantly so.

[Robert Monroe]

As a guy who doesn't hate Scourgeclaw and actually thinks he's a decent player and enjoys playing with him, yeah, I'll say he can be too bossy and rages way too much over things. He frequently tries to tell medics what to do (I've had him yell at me for healing him while he was a Pyro, lolwut), and while I can understand him questioning a mini-sentry on defense, I can assume that Flux wasn't doing the time honored retard tradition of trying to turtle with it (I've played combat engie on defense plenty of times. fun stuff.), so yeah. I don't want Scourge gone. I just want all the bawwwing and fighting to stop. Just, please. Let it stop, guys.

And for the record, a team that's doing badly doesn't need to be yelled at, they need to get their shit together. Yelling at them just makes their shit get worse. Sometimes you have to yell in MODERATION (hurrhurr 4 snipers on a team, engineers don't build stuff, not enough offense classes for the medics), but that should never go to the rage levels Scourgeclaw reaches. I get pissed off myself sometimes and I have an explosion once in a while too, but if I let it out, then that's the long and short end of it.

If Scourgeclaw, or anyone else, stops having fun and feels the need to yell at everyone else, then they should leave the server for about 30 minutes, calm down, and then go back. I do that, because it has happened to me before, and it works every time. You feel better, you apologize for being an ass, everyone smiles and says its cool, life moves on, and fun times are had.

[Xortberg]

I don't hate Scourge either. In fact, as long as he's speaking and not shouting louder than a jet engine, I had a good bit of fun with him. The only problem was, he was always shouting and raging, and from what I gather he still is. Now, I'm not coming back, but that's just because I've become bored with TF2 overall and Scourge is only a small part of it. But when he's contributed to a game admin wanting to quit playing, I think it's time for him to lower the goddamn volume and be more chill ingame.

[Gene Inari]

^ To all of the above: There's an option to mute players you guys. :U If you don't want to listen to them, go the menu and right there is a little button called "mute players." It works magic.

[Xortberg]

Yeah, except for that part where it's called Team Fortress 2. Muting people cuts out communication, which hurts the team.

[Robert Monroe]

^ To all of the above: There's an option to mute players you guys. :U If you don't want to listen to them, go the menu and right there is a little button called "mute players." It works magic.

Mute is meant to be a temporary solution against people who grief with the mic, primarily one-shot pubbers. SFO's server is practically a clan, and Scourgeclaw is a member of said clan, and should be held to higher accountability and responsibility because of that.

Beyond that, we don't -want- to mute Scourgeclaw, we just want him to chill the beans out.

[Scourge]

Mute is meant to be a temporary solution against people who grief with the mic, primarily one-shot pubbers. SFO's server is practically a clan, and Scourgeclaw is a member of said clan, and should be held to higher accountability and responsibility because of that.

Beyond that, we don't -want- to mute Scourgeclaw, we just want him to chill the beans out.

I'll cut you all a deal: stop turning this into the topic I evade looking at to stave off cutting myself (joke), and this friday's game, Ill keep mic usage to a minimum, and retain a calm voice. Deal?

[Fluxy]

I'll cut you all a deal: stop turning this into the topic I evade looking at to stave off cutting myself (joke), and this friday's game, Ill keep mic usage to a minimum, and retain a calm voice. Deal?

It really shouldn't be a deal, Scourge. We just want you to respect the fact that a lot of people are getting rather upset with it, and fix it, because this is a community and no one should have to leave if the problem is simple and fixable. Also not for just one day. This isn't meant to be made into a deal.

[Scourge]

It really shouldn't be a deal, Scourge. We just want you to respect the fact that a lot of people are getting rather upset with it, and fix it, because this is a community and no one should have to leave if the problem is simple and fixable. Also not for just one day. This isn't meant to be made into a deal.

As I am the loveable fluffy bunny of a human being that I am I attempted to inject it with humor as I do much of anything (including my SAT's(not my brightest idea...)). However the point i was trying to make was that it was going to be a from now on thing, appologies for wording that, and this statement rather awkwardly.

[Robert Monroe]

As long as you're chill beans, then I'm chill beans, yo.