The Gay Threads

[Mr. Foxer]

I don't really mind them but I'll admit that they do tend to get on my nerves sometimes. If he really wants to talk about LGBT subjects then I don't see why he's doing it here. As far as I know most of the people who visit this forum are straight.

[Ris Grestar]

I don't really mind them but I'll admit that they do tend to get on my nerves sometimes. If he really wants to talk about LGBT subjects then I don't see why he's doing it here. As far as I know most of the people who visit this forum are straight.

As straight as they may be, though, they can still have input, right?  I know I do now and then lol

[Sabre]

As straight as they may be, though, they can still have input, right?  I know I do now and then lol

That's not the issue. The issue is a case of number. Let's say I start a thread on bondage, fair enough, but when no one posts for a few days I start another bondage thread, then another, and I keep turning trying to force bondage into non bondage threads. eg. "I think ending 1 of command is canon as it most certainly has bondage undertones" and so on. Likewise, that would never stand, and anyone who disagrees with any of my opinions is a bondage-phobe. Get the idea?

[Ris Grestar]

That's not the issue. The issue is a case of number. Let's say I start a thread on bondage, fair enough, but when no one posts for a few days I start another bondage thread, then another, and I keep turning trying to force bondage into non bondage threads. eg. "I think ending 1 of command is canon as it most certainly has bondage undertones" and so on. Likewise, that would never stand, and anyone who disagrees with any of my opinions is a bondage-phobe. Get the idea?

Isn't that example is a little extreme?  I don't recall a time where Dermot went into a "Star Fox:  Command Ending" thread and started making claims like that.

Plus, I've seen his threads get their share of discussion.

[Mr. Foxer]

As straight as they may be, though, they can still have input, right?  I know I do now and then lol

The point is that this is the wrong forum for such discussion.

Also^. Sabre was just giving an example, don't take it so literally.

[Ris Grestar]

The point is that this is the wrong forum for such discussion.

Why's that?  It pertained to all the rules and included what one would expect on a Star Fox board:  Star Fox discussion.  When they weren't about Star Fox, they were still rule-abiding as they were in the polling place or the general section.

Also, Sabre was giving an example to prove his point.  If the example is extreme, then that's not a fair way to prove a point, now is it?

[Mr. Foxer]

Half of them are.

If I go on a Star Fox forum, I don't expect to see threads like "Who is the best gay couple" and things like that. If I wanted to see things like that I would go to a gay forum.

[Ris Grestar]

Half of them are.

If I go on a Star Fox forum, I don't expect to see threads like "Who is the best gay couple" and things like that. If I wanted to see things like that I would go to a gay forum.

Not everything on a forum where the majority of the members are gay would be about gay things.  I'm sure they would have plenty of "straight" topics as well.  Why can't a forum where the majority of the members are straight have some things that -aren't- completely based on heterosexuality?

[Guest DRL]

I'd have to see this topic you are referring to to get my own impression of how political it went. 

As far as what I've been seeing the staff have been more lenient with topics that have gotten slightly political recently.  I haven't been around SFO as long as you have so I'm not exactly sure how they handled such topics when you first joined for example.

Again, it all boils down to who can maintain their control and be intelligent in dealing with other people's opinions.  Yes, I know we have a mature sub forum for a reason and I think that any topic that is originally about something political or slightly controversial should be started there.  However I still hold to my opinion that a zero tolerance policy is not the way to go when dealing with political statements, beliefs, etc.  Some leeway SHOULD be granted.

O-Kay, agreed.

Not everything on a forum where the majority of the members are gay would be about gay things.  I'm sure they would have plenty of "straight" topics as well.  Why can't a forum where the majority of the members are straight have some things that -aren't- completely based on heterosexuality?

I agree with this. In the same

vein we have many 'straight' threads

that have nothing to do with Star Fox.

So, as long as it is between the rules,

I do not care 'what kind' of post it is.

[CrypticQuery]

Guys, we're taking this to a retarded level.  If you don't like a thread, just stay out of it.  Simple.  It doesn't make a difference what it is about, just stay out, and don't complain, as this is a public site. 

[Scott7]

That pretty much what i do, I simply tend to avoid them. However his posts don't bother me at all, he actually can bring up points that actually fit well with the discussion. And he most surely doesn't bring any of his belief's into the discussion like an off-topic spammer.

I'm not sure if this a very good idea for a poll, but its his opinion and i have no choice but to accept that.

[CrypticQuery]

Quick Edit

They don't bother me at one bit, and I like to see some diversity in opinions

[Konchaski]

I don't mind his threads at all honestly,  in fact most of what he says is extremely well thoughtout and I can see why he has that perspective. I'm sure most of the time me and him would agree politically in a lot of ways if we got directly in a conversation.

I don't mind him saying so much certain characters are gay, straight, or bisexual because that's ultimately his interpretation. So pretty much? I'm chill with him.

[CrypticQuery]

I don't mind his threads at all honestly,  in fact most of what he says is extremely well thoughtout and I can see why he has that perspective. I'm sure most of the time me and him would agree politically in a lot of ways if we got directly in a conversation.

I don't mind him saying so much certain characters are gay, straight, or bisexual because that's ultimately his interpretation. So pretty much? I'm chill with him.

^THIS! :D

[Guest DRL]

I don't mind him saying so much certain characters are gay, straight, or bisexual because that's ultimately his interpretation. So pretty much? I'm chill with him.

Agreed.

[Milkyway64]

I'll again state that the sig is the biggest problem, as it drags Fox/Falco into any topic he posts in. I'm still pretty new, but I'll take the ladies and gentlemen's word that relationship images were once modded frequently, why is this flying then?

If I go on a Star Fox forum, I don't expect to see threads like "Who is the best gay couple" and things like that. If I wanted to see things like that I would go to a gay forum.

This, although not in the way it was written. These topics can be here, sure, and they are on topic, but it seems to be all he wants to talk about or more correctly recently, most of it. He even acknowledges this by sarcastically adding "What? I made an entire posting without saying the word "gay?!" at the end of a post about SNES starfox, I believe. There's a difference between being gay and being nothing BUT gay, ergo, one is simply having the sexuality and the other is having a sexuality and making sure EVERYBODY knows it. It's really the same thing all the Krystal fanboys do.

There's also my personal bias against him for religiously bringing fanon and speculation into a debate but FFFFF.

[CrypticQuery]

I'll again state that the sig is the biggest problem, as it drags Fox/Falco into any topic he posts in. I'm still pretty new, but I'll take the ladies and gentlemen's word that relationship images were once modded frequently, why is this flying then?

This, although not in the way it was written. These topics can be here, sure, and they are on topic, but it seems to be all he wants to talk about or more correctly recently, most of it. He even acknowledges this by sarcastically adding "What? I made an entire posting without saying the word "gay?!" at the end of a post about SNES starfox, I believe. There's a difference between being gay and being nothing BUT gay, ergo, one is simply having the sexuality and the other is having a sexuality and making sure EVERYBODY knows it. It's really the same thing all the Krystal fanboys do.

There's also my personal bias against him for religiously bringing fanon and speculation into a debate but FFFFF.

Once again, everything is public here, if you don't like something, you don't have to look at it.  If you don't agree with someone, isn't best to just keep your mouth shut and ignore/put up with them, like most cases in real life where no one is doing any harm whatsoever?  You're seriously taking this overboard. (At least in MY opinion)

[Guest DRL]

Once again, everything is public here, if you don't like something, you don't have to look at it.  If you don't agree with someone, isn't best to just keep your mouth shut and ignore/put up with them, like most cases in real life where no one is doing any harm whatsoever?  You're seriously taking this overboard. (At least in MY opinion)

I have to agree but crazyfooinc.

Maybe Dermot acts like that because

people is being nice to him (or most of,

as we can see.) Not every Star Fox fansite

is tolerant of non-straight people. Thus,

he feels he can express himself without

fear.

[CrypticQuery]

I have to agree but crazyfooinc.

Maybe Dermot acts like that because

people is being nice to him (or most of,

as we can see.) Not every Star Fox fansite

is tolerant of non-straight people. Thus,

he feels he can express himself without

fear.

It could be a possibility.  I honestly still don't understand why this thread exists.  It's what someone believes, and since this is a public forum, everyone should get the same treatment, REGARDLESS of their beliefs (except for trolls).  Why start a thread to borderline flame another user's posts?

[Milkyway64]

Once again, everything is public here, if you don't like something, you don't have to look at it.

Sig, ect.

If you don't agree with someone, isn't best to just keep your mouth shut and ignore/put up with them, like most cases in real life where no one is doing any harm whatsoever?  You're seriously taking this overboard. (At least in MY opinion)

And like you said, everything is public here. Why can't I offer my opinion? What forbids it but allows "Panther and Wolf are totally made for eachother?" If I need to shut up and deal with him, I expect people to shut up and deal with me in return; which doesn't happen. Deal with it.

Criticism and debate doesn't harm anyone whatsoever either on the surface, exactly like homosexuality. Keep in mind that there are religions and so on that just can't deal with this subject. I'm not one of them, I debate for the sake of entertainment and sharpening my mind.

And maybe I am taking this overboard. However I'm not the only one fingers should be pointing to. Our good friend dermot promotes this drama by posting about it in the SFO related matters board, involving ALL of us. Any drama drawn to him is, at least in part, called onto himself.

[CrypticQuery]

Sig, ect.

And like you said, everything is public here. Why can't I offer my opinion? What forbids it but allows "Panther and Wolf are totally made for eachother?" If I need to shut up and deal with him, I expect people to shut up and deal with me in return; which doesn't happen. Deal with it.

Criticism and debate doesn't harm anyone whatsoever either on the surface, exactly like homosexuality. Keep in mind that there are religions and so on that just can't deal with this subject. I'm not one of them, I debate for the sake of entertainment and sharpening my mind.

And maybe I am taking this overboard. However I'm not the only one fingers should be pointing to. Our good friend dermot promotes this drama by posting about it in the SFO related matters board, involving ALL of us. Any drama drawn to him is, at least in part, called onto himself.

First off, didn't see the signature thing in your previous post, I apologize for that.

Secondly, I never said that you couldn't voice your own opinion.  I just think that building an entire thread on the matter is taking it *a little* overboard. (EDIT) Ris makes a good point, when your opinion is made deliberately to basically attack someone, it no longer becomes an opinion that should be public. 

[Ris Grestar]

And like you said, everything is public here. Why can't I offer my opinion?

But when opinions intentionally attack someone, then that's obviously something to be frowned upon.

[Guest DRL]

It could be a possibility.  I honestly still don't understand why this thread exists.  It's what someone believes, and since this is a public forum, everyone should get the same treatment, REGARDLESS of their beliefs (except for trolls).  Why start a thread to borderline flame another user's posts?

Yeah, agreed too.

Sig, ect.

Sure, maybe not everyone likes

his sig. But if I made a sig with

"Krystal + Fox" pics, I am sure

that, even if between the rules,

Dermot my dislike it. Sure, not

everyone likes "Fox + Krystal" or

"Fox + Wolf", but as long as there

is no yiff, or too suggestive, I do

not mind/care at all.

[CrypticQuery]

Yeah, agreed too.Sure, maybe not everyone likes

his sig. But if I made a sig with

"Krystal + Fox" pics, I am sure

that, even if between the rules,

Dermot may dislike it. Sure, not

everyone likes "Fox + Krystal" or

"Fox + Wolf", but as long as there

is no yiff, or too suggestive, I do

not mind/care at all.

^ Great point DRL! I also concur with this statement.

[Milkyway64]

But when opinions intentionally attack someone, then that's obviously something to be frowned upon.

First off, didn't see the signature thing in your previous post, I apologize for that.

Secondly, I never said that you couldn't voice your own opinion.  I just think that building an entire thread on the matter is taking it *a little* overboard. (EDIT) Ris makes a good point, when your opinion is made deliberately to basically attack someone, it no longer becomes an opinion that should be public. 

I think you guys are confusing me with Sabre. I didn't make this thread nor have I attacked Dermot or anyone, really. I attack actions, and even here I've hardly done that. I've already made it clear that his gayness was fine, but I still thought it to be weird that his gayness is his number one subject to talk about which kinda feels like a waste. I know there's a human being in there with hobbies and other interests outside of this ONE subject, which has annoyed me simply for it's bleeding into where it really shouldn't be, like debate, but again that's not really for this topic.

Sure, maybe not everyone likes

his sig. But if I made a sig with

"Krystal + Fox" pics, I am sure

that, even if between the rules,

Dermot my dislike it. Sure, not

everyone likes "Fox + Krystal" or

"Fox + Wolf", but as long as there

is no yiff, or too suggestive, I do

not mind/care at all.

What sense does this make? You basically just said "People have problems with his sig, but I don't so it's A-ok."