Quality of games

[Sabre]

For one? Getting into places where you can't be seen (as in the inside of a rock), but can see/shoot out of.

Comparing a simple Nintendo platformer and a "cinematic" FPS is like comparing Grand Theft Auto with Star Wars pod racer.

FAMAS, M16, Model 1887(s), Commando, Commando Pro, Cold Blooded, to name a few. Goldeneye had Oddjob, whoopty doo, Basil, one overpowered character. MW2 has a large amount of unbalanced things in it, that if you aren't using, you're going to lose, usually.

So your maps don't have the random leaves fluttering in the wind or the unnecessary detail on things that don't matter in any way, causing more strain on the game/host, causing lag?

It doesn't need to be a sim, but simply put, the things MW2 tries to pass off is an insult to my intelligence. A three-inch silencer bringing a .50 down to the sound of a paintball gun? A simple bullet resistant plexiglass ballistic shield stopping a .50 BMG. Infinity Ward stated that Modern Warfare 2 was going to be "more realistic," then they completely dumb it up. Why can't I Superman fly in MW2? Makes as much sense as some of the other things in there (being immune to thermal sights/electronic detectors for one). It doesn't need complete realism (things kept down for balance is fine), but don't go into the realm of pure fantasy. If I want to play a fantasy game, I'll get one, if I'm supposed to be playing a "realistic combat FPS," I -F-Bomb-ing expect one.

FPS gaming doesn't mean a thing, but what I want in it to find it enjoyable is either: A) Complete realism, or B) Plausible, but balanced. MW2 did neither of these. A 9mm can be more powerful than a .45, a 5.56x45mm can be more powerful than a 7.62x39mm, a 7.62x51mm can be more powerful than a .300 Magnum. Also, leg shots are just at lethal as chest shots, hell, hand shots are just as lethal.

Aaaah. A MW2 hater. Why didn't you say, we could have saved ourselves alot of time. You a fanboy, simple as. Not likeing the game is fine, buy tour idea for what it should be is unreasonable.

Anyway, back to the topic, when viewed as objectevly as possable quality is going up.

[evilwaffles]

I think it is still as good as it was back in the N64 era. There are some games that will be played for ages to come yet that have been made today and others are absolute crap, just like as gaming has always been. I play the hell out of MW2, Dragon Age, Twilight Princess, God of War and Mario Galaxy but I also play the hell out of my Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Fox, etc.

[Kursed]

I think it is still as good as it was back in the N64 era. There are some games that will be played for ages to come yet that have been made today and others are absolute crap, just like as gaming has always been. I play the hell out of MW2, Dragon Age, Twilight Princess, God of War and Mario Galaxy but I also play the hell out of my Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Fox, etc.

starcraft2?

[evilwaffles]

Well I play the hell out of the original Starcraft, I will play the hell out of SC2 when I get it.

[Vy'drach]

Aaaah. A MW2 hater. Why didn't you say, we could have saved ourselves alot of time. You a fanboy, simple as. Not likeing the game is fine, buy tour idea for what it should be is unreasonable.

Anyway, back to the topic, when viewed as objectevly as possable quality is going up.

We've had this conversation before, yes, I am a MW2 hater, but not a fanboy for some other FPS series. Until recently, CoD was one of my favourites, but they have stopped having realistic weapon capabilities, and let you carry around a 41 pound, 7.22 foot long anti-tank rifle for use as a sniper weapon, and that was in WaW, MW2 wasn't much better. I went to the midnight release, and I got max rank in it in 2 1/2 days, and know what? I was bored. It's a shitty game, I tried very very very hard to enjoy it, but it was about as fun as being beaten in the head with a lead pipe (and required as much skill).

And how is my idea unreasonable? Why should I expect someone to fall five stories and live, then outperform a .308 with a 9mm?

If you're going to do a game, especially one from an established game series known for realistic capabilities, and when the creators even said it was going to be more realistic than it's predecessor (CoD 4: MW, which was and still is an awesome game), then I have to say, "If you're going to do it, do it right, or don't do it at all."

[Sabre]

We've had this conversation before, yes, I am a MW2 hater, but not a fanboy for some other FPS series. Until recently, CoD was one of my favourites, but they have stopped having realistic weapon capabilities, and let you carry around a 41 pound, 7.22 foot long anti-tank rifle for use as a sniper weapon, and that was in WaW, MW2 wasn't much better. I went to the midnight release, and I got max rank in it in 2 1/2 days, and know what? I was bored. It's a shitty game, I tried very very very hard to enjoy it, but it was about as fun as being beaten in the head with a lead pipe (and required as much skill).

And how is my idea unreasonable? Why should I expect someone to fall five stories and live, then outperform a .308 with a 9mm?

If you're going to do a game, especially one from an established game series known for realistic capabilities, and when the creators even said it was going to be more realistic than it's predecessor (CoD 4: MW, which was and still is an awesome game), then I have to say, "If you're going to do it, do it right, or don't do it at all."

Because CoD has never NEVER been realistic, it's more saving private ryan. As such your requests are unreasonable because it's like saying "Mario is crap because it's not realistic, those shells would be effected by friction, also he should a carpenter not a plumber." What you want it to be is at odds with what it is. That is the definition of hater. Anyway, this is off topic.

[Guest Scorpion03]

there r a few good games and lots of rubbish, just as its always been

[Vy'drach]

Because CoD has never NEVER been realistic, it's more saving private ryan. As such your requests are unreasonable because it's like saying "Mario is crap because it's not realistic, those shells would be effected by friction, also he should a carpenter not a plumber." What you want it to be is at odds with what it is. That is the definition of hater. Anyway, this is off topic.

Funny thing is, even though we hate Spielberg, my dad and I like Saving Private Ryan since it is one of the more accurate depictions of how WWII was. And how exactly has CoD not been realistic, they used to go to the range and test the guns thoroughly for accurate sounds, reloading movements, reloading times, recoil, fire rates, etc etc. Now, they don't even seem to have seen these guns in real life, let alone fired them. But whatever, drop it. However, I will say that it is you being the fanboy, since you are fighting tooth and nail to defend such a horrid game, that was a blight upon the entire franchise.

[Sabre]

Funny thing is, even though we hate Spielberg, my dad and I like Saving Private Ryan since it is one of the more accurate depictions of how WWII was. And how exactly has CoD not been realistic, they used to go to the range and test the guns thoroughly for accurate sounds, reloading movements, reloading times, recoil, fire rates, etc etc. Now, they don't even seem to have seen these guns in real life, let alone fired them. But whatever, drop it. However, I will say that it is you being the fanboy, since you are fighting tooth and nail to defend such a horrid game, that was a blight upon the entire franchise.

Heh. I couldn't give a toss what you think of CoD, it's the bollocks you cite as reasons I don't like.

Realistic assets vs game design are 2 completly different things. But wow, Saving Private Ryan is realistic? You honestly believe that? I'm stunned. I always thought that was a mythic stereotype, but you just did it. I'm sorry to break it to you, but team america, Churchill the hollywood years and GIJoe aren't real either.

If I seem suprised that's because I am. I never really thought americans were that detatched from reality, but I was wrong.

[Vy'drach]

Heh. I couldn't give a toss what you think of CoD, it's the bollocks you cite as reasons I don't like.

Realistic assets vs game design are 2 completly different things. But wow, Saving Private Ryan is realistic? You honestly believe that? I'm stunned. I always thought that was a mythic stereotype, but you just did it. I'm sorry to break it to you, but team america, Churchill the hollywood years and GIJoe aren't real either.

If I seem suprised that's because I am. I never really thought americans were that detatched from reality, but I was wrong.

You haven't even really given any good reasons as to why MW2 is good, just gone and called me a "fanboy" of nothing in particular for not liking it, and my grandfather fought in WWII, my dad grew up fascinated with his war stories, and I have heard his stories. I never watched Team America since it seemed like overly-patriotic garbage, dunno what Churchill the Hollywood years even is, and never cared for GI Joe. I said Saving Private Ryan was more accurate, not realistic. It showed some of the shit people had to deal with in WWII, not that everyone is some form of super soldier. It wasn't a clean affair, people had to crawl through mud, barely getting food or sleep, watching their friends die left and right, usually in horrible ways. Saving Private Ryan did a better job showing that than most WWII movies/shows out there. Even documentaries rarely capture how horrific of an ordeal war can be.

I really couldn't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what you think of CoD Sabre, as you are the only person I know who thinks it is such a great game. I have encountered far more people who hate that game than like it. And you have still failed to show any way that my reasons are unsound.

[Sabre]

You haven't even really given any good reasons as to why MW2 is good, just gone and called me a "fanboy" of nothing in particular for not liking it, and my grandfather fought in WWII, my dad grew up fascinated with his war stories, and I have heard his stories. I never watched Team America since it seemed like overly-patriotic garbage, dunno what Churchill the Hollywood years even is, and never cared for GI Joe. I said Saving Private Ryan was more accurate, not realistic. It showed some of the shit people had to deal with in WWII, not that everyone is some form of super soldier. It wasn't a clean affair, people had to crawl through mud, barely getting food or sleep, watching their friends die left and right, usually in horrible ways. Saving Private Ryan did a better job showing that than most WWII movies/shows out there. Even documentaries rarely capture how horrific of an ordeal war can be.

I really couldn't give a flying -F-Bomb- at a rolling donut what you think of CoD Sabre, as you are the only person I know who thinks it is such a great game. I have encountered far more people who hate that game than like it. And you have still failed to show any way that my reasons are unsound.

I'm not defending MW2, as I said, I dont care. I'm instead whacking down you're false logic as to why it's worse then games of yesteryear by simply making up stuff.

As for those films, they are all jingoistic "America is number 1" crap, churchill and team america being a parodies of that attitude. Churchill is about Winston Churchill is in fact a muscle bound american GI who single handedly wins ww2. The Churchill in the history books is an actor called Roy Bubbles. It's basicly the ww2 version of hot fuzz.

Also, while SPR is a dramatic portail of the horrors of war. It is no where near accurate. My Grandads (both dead) fought in the war too you know, not that any of that makes us an athority on war.

The last time I will make my point. Games today are better then they were. Take any long running series (even spiritual) like MK, Doom, Street Fighter, Mario, Half Life, Quake, Dragon Age, Supreme Commander, Bioshock, all of these are better today then their originals, but are rarely held in as high reguard because the standard has risen. Lets imagine Resident Evil 1, the original, never existed. Now image it came out on Xbox Live right now. It would be slammed down as a waste of time and disk space. Back then, it was a jaw dropping classic. The reason for that is because the standards of quality were lower.

The best real world example of this is Megaman 9. A shit stain of a game that everyone hated except for nostalgia junkies who remember the original on NES. Had it not been for the name, that game would have sunk.

[Vy'drach]

I'm not defending MW2, as I said, I dont care. I'm instead whacking down you're false logic as to why it's worse then games of yesteryear by simply making up stuff.

As for those films, they are all jingoistic "America is number 1" crap, churchill and team america being a parodies of that attitude. Churchill is about Winston Churchill is in fact a muscle bound american GI who single handedly wins ww2. The Churchill in the history books is an actor called Roy Bubbles. It's basicly the ww2 version of hot fuzz.

Also, while SPR is a dramatic portail of the horrors of war. It is no where near accurate. My Grandads (both dead) fought in the war too you know, not that any of that makes us an athority on war.

The last time I will make my point. Games today are better then they were. Take any long running series (even spiritual) like MK, Doom, Street Fighter, Mario, Half Life, Quake, Dragon Age, Supreme Commander, Bioshock, all of these are better today then their originals, but are rarely held in as high reguard because the standard has risen. Lets imagine Resident Evil 1, the original, never existed. Now image it came out on Xbox Live right now. It would be slammed down as a waste of time and disk space. Back then, it was a jaw dropping classic. The reason for that is because the standards of quality were lower.

The best real world example of this is Megaman 9. A shit stain of a game that everyone hated except for nostalgia junkies who remember the original on NES. Had it not been for the name, that game would have sunk.

I haven't made things up, and I never said older FPS were better than today's, I said MW2 bad in all aspects because of the horrid gameplay, and attributes that bordered on pure fantasy, when it is supposed to be semi-realistic. I prefer the older Mortal Kombat games over the more recent ones, not because of nostalgia, but because the gameplay was better. It was more fun when it was just left, right, up, and down. Now it is, "I'm going to sidestep your attack, pull a mace out of my ass, and beat you with it." And I did not like DOOM 3 because it went from being the DOOM gameplay, to a generic FPS, the likes of which I've played time and time again. Ever hear of Hexen? Same people that made DOOM made Hexen, uses the same gameplay. It's not a spin-off of DOOM, only thing it has in common with it is the same engine and gameplay, and I enjoy Hexen, but I did not "grow up" playing Hexen specifically, I just like that gameplay. I would love for DOOM to go back to that gameplay style, rather than being a generic FPS. As for the others, I didn't play them. Didn't play Bioshock 2 as it looked stupid.

As for Resident Evil, granted it would be shot down now due to graphics, but if RE never existed, and no one made a game using that gameplay style, and it came out today with standard graphics, it would catch on just as much. Why? Because it is fun. Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, Dino Crisis, Dino Crisis 2, and the majority of Resident Evil 0 had the same gameplay, only things that changed were setting, characters, and creatures. Resident Evil lasted quite a while using essentially the same gameplay setup, just in different scenarios. Granted they had a few spin-offs, such as Gun Survivor and Dead Aim, but the main storyline games were the same, until RE4. Then they randomly come up with an over the shoulder shooter, with no zombies. I didn't like RE4 as much as RE2 because I like "Survival-horror" in RE, not "Action." Only reason I liked RE4 so much was it still had decent characters and story, which went out the window when it came to RE5. I honestly hope the next Resident Evil, if they make one, uses the better gameplay style, because if it's an over the shoulder one again, I probably wont play it.

Duke Nukem 3D came out on Xbox Live, as did Wolfenstein 3D, using the same gameplay (though Duke Nukem had a bit of an overpowered death system),and same graphics. A lot of people bought and enjoy(ed) those games, not because they were fun ten years ago, but because they are fun period. Granted there are newer Duke Nukems and Wolfensteins, but they aren't necessarily more fun. I actually hated every Wolfenstein after Wolfenstein 3D, because Wolfenstein 3D had that fun DOOM gameplay I enjoy so much.

Let me make my point. You can take a piece of shit, and put all the glitz and galmour in the world on it, and know what you have? A shiny piece of shit. If the game doesn't have at least rock solid gameplay backing it, who cares if it's "shinier?" The standard for what is and isn't a good game is dropping sharply. You can do more with a game today, but what's required of a game isn't as much as it used to be.

And as for SPR, the entire film is not accurate, but things you get from it show you how brutal things could be back then. The medic trying to save the guy, only to notice that he got shot in the head while he was working on him, shit like that happened. The guy blowing himself up with the sticky bomb, shit like that happened. The Germans using a.... 20mm, I believe, AA gun for anti-personnel uses, shit like that happened. The plot? Stupid. The characters? Stupid. The scenarios? Shit like that happened.

[Scott7]

Neutral.

Alot of Fps shooters do sometimes come with new features that give a new feel to the game which i like, but most of the Gameplay Still seems the same as the rest of them.

I just can't find anything anymore that satisfies my thirst for good gaming....