Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I read your post. I read all of it. It was just very, very cruel of you. And yes, I know you're trying to help, and I appreciate the desire. But it's just more complex than that.Then praytell HOW it was cruel, because the worst thing I said with intent of being a jerk was "its stupid of you to be into a community just to discuss the sexuality of characters". Keyword here is JUST. As in that's all you talk abooooout. I made the comparison to Krystal fanboys, and in another post you admitted to seeing the irony. I wouldn't mind said Krystal fanboys if they would talk about MORE than just if Krystal would play damn Xbox 360 or Playstation 3.Likewise, you would be much more "fitting in" if you'd talk about something OTHER than the "soap opera" elements of a damn Nintendo game where alien animal-men shoot each other in spaceships. You've got the talent, you got the intelligence, and you got the topics. Noone gives a damn if you talk about Starfox sexuality, we are not bigots here. We care when that's all your brain seems to bloody run off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Then praytell HOW it was cruel, because the worst thing I said with intent of being a jerk was "its stupid of you to be into a community just to discuss the sexuality of characters". Keyword here is JUST. As in that's all you talk abooooout. I made the comparison to Krystal fanboys, and in another post you admitted to seeing the irony. I wouldn't mind said Krystal fanboys if they would talk about MORE than just if Krystal would play damn Xbox 360 or Playstation 3.Likewise, you would be much more "fitting in" if you'd talk about something OTHER than the "soap opera" elements of a damn Nintendo game where alien animal-men shoot each other in spaceships. You've got the talent, you got the intelligence, and you got the topics. Noone gives a damn if you talk about Starfox sexuality, we are not bigots here. We care when that's all your brain seems to bloody run off of.I know it's not necessarily a bigotry issue - I do talk about it a lot. And I have spoken about other things. This just happens to be my absolute favorite topic in the series. I may have the talent, and the intelligence, and the topics. But I'm also a fanboyish, flirtatious, teasy, gossipy hen. And that's more than just an issue of what I am capable of - it's an issue of how I tend to be on a regular basis. If you observe my behavior on FurAffinity, you can see just how much of a hen I am. It's how I am when I relax and kick back. We browse art, we fave art, we make comments, and we talk about guys, hunks and gossip until the cows come home. The reason what you said seemed cruel, is because it's basically asking me not to be myself - not to do what I normally like to do on a daily basis wherever I am, whenever.Here, I tone it down. So it's mainly just fanboying and gossip. I hoped I would at least be allowed that on a regular basis.You know, I suppose it's also possible I may have a lot of pent up hostility, disdain, suspicion... I'm a bit Fan Dumb perhaps, with a few brief moments of strong Fan Dumb. But maybe it's not possible to be in this fandom this long and give so much into it and still be a fan, without going just a little crazy. I mean, I never wanted to be like those Star Wars fans who still won't forgive George Lucas for The Phantom Menace, or those Trekkers who bicker about Kirk and Picard. But I guess it's something creeps up on you without you realizing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I know it's not necessarily a bigotry issue - I do talk about it a lot. And I have spoken about other things. This just happens to be my absolute favorite topic in the series. I may have the talent, and the intelligence, and the topics. But I'm also a fanboyish, flirtatious, teasy, gossipy hen. And that's more than just an issue of what I am capable of - it's an issue of how I tend to be on a regular basis. If you observe my behavior on FurAffinity, you can see just how much of a hen I am. It's how I am when I relax and kick back. We browse art, we fave art, we make comments, and we talk about guys, hunks and gossip until the cows come home. The reason what you said seemed cruel, is because it's basically asking me not to be myself - not to do what I normally like to do on a daily basis wherever I am, whenever.Here, I tone it down. So it's mainly just fanboying and gossip. I hoped I would at least be allowed that on a regular basis.Again, see this:Noone gives a damn if you talk about Starfox sexuality, we are not bigots here. We care when that's all your brain seems to bloody run off of.Also this:Forget about fitting in. Fitting in is for squares. You are a damn circle peg, and you are gonna not take anyone else's shit about fitting into the square hole. Hell, that's how I roll. You think I fit in, with my constant debate and drawn out discussions, walls of text, near troll like attitude, aggresive personality, antifanboyism, bigass ego, and decidedly oldfan faggotry? Hell no I don't. I don't fit in, but, I DO get along (mostly). There's a difference. You don't got to fit in, Dermot. Just get along, by expanding your interests, and what have you.Be yourself. Be a gossiping magpie, I don't give a shit. BUT BE MORE THAN THAT. User is a fine example of what happens when a Krystal fanboy does something other than.... fanboy Krystal, you can do the same. Expanding your horizons does not mean not being yourself (although it can happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konchaski Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 As someone who has been a lone person in a community for different reasons and perspectives? I've felt feelings like this at times as well, why am I here in a forum of people who have opinions that don't match mine? I think it comes down to that you might have an opinion someone actually does agree with, or might go "Huh, that is neat." - Someone might be reading your posts and nodding along with it. But they're just too quiet to voice their opinion. I myself, often find myself agreeing with you and Rob in certain aspects. I don't do it constantly per say, but the fact you all bring up interesting topics is pretty cool. Not to mention your contributions to the Starfox fandom are immense as Rob and many others have stated here. However you can feel to do whatever you wish even if you do bring in interesting and new perspectives to the community. I myself have no problem with your topics or art, and even agree with you politically on many issues. Do what you feel is best and what you feel most comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticQuery Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 As someone who has been a lone person in a community for different reasons and perspectives? I've felt feelings like this at times as well, why am I here in a forum of people who have opinions that don't match mine? I think it comes down to that you might have an opinion someone actually does agree with, or might go "Huh, that is neat." - Someone might be reading your posts and nodding along with it. But they're just too quiet to voice their opinion. I myself, often find myself agreeing with you and Rob in certain aspects. I don't do it constantly per say, but the fact you all bring up interesting topics is pretty cool. Not to mention your contributions to the Starfox fandom are immense as Rob and many others have stated here. However you can feel to do whatever you wish even if you do bring in interesting and new perspectives to the community. I myself have no problem with your topics or art, and even agree with you politically on many issues. Do what you feel is best and what you feel most comfortable with.Well articulated , I completely agree :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebel_gunman Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Same as above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Again, see this:Also this:Be yourself. Be a gossiping magpie, I don't give a shit. BUT BE MORE THAN THAT. User is a fine example of what happens when a Krystal fanboy does something other than.... fanboy Krystal, you can do the same. Expanding your horizons does not mean not being yourself (although it can happen).I had to look up "magpie" - never used or heard that word before.And yes, I know... Also, I think I may have subconsciously been trying to rebel against Mr. Krystal and Sabre with defiant displays of gay pride. (It is the official month, you know. :3) I mean, a month ago, I was talking about all sorts of different topics. Polling, music, food, physics, etc. (Remember the Lylat System sentient origin debate?) The Mr. Krystal incident left a lingering bad taste in my mouth that I'm still trying to get rid of (and the details of that Noodle Incident are still classified), and every time Sabre gets on my case for something I just feel more determined to demonstrate how irrelevant his abuse is...which ironically is also me a symptom that his abuse actually did get under my skin. But what can I say? I'm really more vulnerable when I'm trying to unwind, which is exactly what I've been trying to do since I got here.It was very different being an admin myself. Everyone looked up to me, for all sorts of things, whether I knew how to help them or not. Here, I'm just another user, and I'm mostly fascinating as a historical bullet point. I don't think I ever really had practice just being a user myself, because I was the admin nearly the entire time I was there, and I had dated the previous admin before me. I've never been a newbie, and so I feel like I've had to go backwards, from starting as an admin to becoming something of a newbie years later. How does someone even adapt to that? I feel vast amounts of entitlement - not of superiority, necessarily, but of being...Dermot. Because Dermot isn't just who I am - Dermot is also who and what I was. "Ask Dermot." "It's up to Dermot." "Dermot would know." "Dermot, can you help us?" To be Dermot meant to be the leader of the fans. And that was never really something I expected to happen, but when it did, I realized it was something thrust upon me. And when I stepped down, everyone seemed in disarray.As someone who has been a lone person in a community for different reasons and perspectives? I've felt feelings like this at times as well, why am I here in a forum of people who have opinions that don't match mine? I think it comes down to that you might have an opinion someone actually does agree with, or might go "Huh, that is neat." - Someone might be reading your posts and nodding along with it. But they're just too quiet to voice their opinion. I myself, often find myself agreeing with you and Rob in certain aspects. I don't do it constantly per say, but the fact you all bring up interesting topics is pretty cool. Not to mention your contributions to the Starfox fandom are immense as Rob and many others have stated here. However you can feel to do whatever you wish even if you do bring in interesting and new perspectives to the community. I myself have no problem with your topics or art, and even agree with you politically on many issues. Do what you feel is best and what you feel most comfortable with. Well, I'm trying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I had to look up "magpie" - never used or heard that word before.And yes, I know... Also, I think I may have subconsciously been trying to rebel against Mr. Krystal and Sabre with defiant displays of gay pride. (It is the official month, you know. :3) I mean, a month ago, I was talking about all sorts of different topics. Polling, music, food, physics, etc. (Remember the Lylat System sentient origin debate?) The Mr. Krystal incident left a lingering bad taste in my mouth that I'm still trying to get rid of (and the details of this Noodle Incident are still classified), and every time Sabre gets on my case for something I just feel more determined to demonstrate how irrelevant his abuse is...which ironically is also me a symptom that his abuse actually did get under my skin. But what can I say? I'm really more vulnerable when I'm trying to unwind, which is exactly what I've been trying to do since I got here.This is the source of your problems, right here in bold. The more Sabre bothers you, the more you end up giving him reasn TO bother you. It is times like this where the best solution is the "damn well put it behind you and get on with your lives" one. You just said you can talk about plenty of other things, now prove it. Do it. Get over the Mr. Krystal crap, stop trying to be some damn hero of homosexual pride (because frankly any sensible person just doesn't give a damn), and be your own person. Are you a man who happens to be gay, or are you a gay man? Don't let your bloody sexuality of all things define your character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 This is the source of your problems, right here in bold. The more Sabre bothers you, the more you end up giving him reasn TO bother you. It is times like this where the best solution is the "damn well put it behind you and get on with your lives" one. You just said you can talk about plenty of other things, now prove it. Do it. Get over the Mr. Krystal crap, stop trying to be some damn hero of homosexual pride (because frankly any sensible person just doesn't give a damn), and be your own person. Are you a man who happens to be gay, or are you a gay man? Don't let your bloody sexuality of all things define your character.Well...you do have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 (and the details of that Noodle Incident are still classified)Ha ha, "Noodle Incident", like in Calvin and Hobbes...I love Calvin and Hobbes! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrilwood Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I'm going through a similar thing with the Krystal Board. Because that's gone I don't really have anything much to talk about here. Anyway, I find the idea of the manliest character in Starfox being gay amusing. I wonder were that leaves Peppy? I get it though, Falco is like the male version of Krystal. Just without the split personality going on. In terms of the prejudices, when we got our contract this week there is a stuff up that explains that "Cut left arm alive off racist" (Who the hell translated this?) So we have to get a racist, cut off their left arm, and ensure both parts remain "alive"...? Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asper Sarnoff Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Well...you do have a point.Robert certainly has points. So many of them in fact that I think you can count what he say for two, as he's speaking my opinion as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrilwood Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 On a serious note, the only thing I would not like you about is the images in your signature. Though I would be offended whether its heterosexual or homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FoXXX Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Awww, don't feel bad, please stay :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid_Cortet Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 -grabs Dermot's leg and drags him back- you are NOT getting away <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 For every bit of discouragement I'm given, I turn around and find someone else giving me just as much encouragement. I'll try to stay, and continue being myself. At the same time, I don't want to be your base breaker - Krystal already has that title. XD I get rather nervous whenever a debate over me osmoses beyond my immediate involvement into an argument that seems to involve everyone but me. It makes me seem more important than I ever expected or predicted, especially at a time when I'm trying to sort through some of my own fan baggage (re: allowing someone else to get under my skin). And Robert Monroe did have a point that I wasn't diversifying quite enough (though my core interests are still going to be core interests). Ultimately I would much rather unite people than divide them. I can't please everyone (I know that), but I'd usually prefer such disagreements to remain bilateral instead of multilateral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Of course, core interests are just that: the heart of why anyone likes anything. Noone's saying you gotta change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Of course, core interests are just that: the heart of why anyone likes anything. Noone's saying you gotta change that.Thank you, that was especially...non-argumentative of you.I may be smart enough to be your foil. But I don't always enjoy the process of the debate, especially if I'm not in the best of moods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Thank you, that was especially...non-argumentative of you.I may be smart enough to be your foil. But I don't always enjoy the process of the debate, especially if I'm not in the best of moods.you have no idea how much I've wanted to use this imageI'm not always arguementive, you know. If I was, there would be noone to agree with :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid_Cortet Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 you have no idea how much I've wanted to use this imageI'm not always arguementive, you know. If I was, there would be noone to agree with xD lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 you have no idea how much I've wanted to use this imageI'm not always arguementive, you know. If I was, there would be noone to agree with Honestly, I thought you more enjoyed the debate process, like a recreational activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Monroe Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Honestly, I thought you more enjoyed the debate process, like a recreational activity.Oh, I -do- enjoy debating. But just because I like it doesn't mean I hound people. I find debate to be a civil activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrilwood Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Debating is my driving force on forums, unfortunately though you will always get the narrow minded moron who can't tell the difference between a discussant debate and a flame-war; and will always go out of their way to make such activities impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 you have no idea how much I've wanted to use this imageI'm not always arguementive, you know. If I was, there would be noone to agree with Off topic, but I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Off topic, but I don't get it.you'd have to see the ad on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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