Scientific Rant!

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

For all you science guys out there, this thread was made to explore all of the MANY scientific inaccuracies in the Star Fox series.

The typical response of such analyses of games is disbelief, but since this is in the rec room, such a discussion would probably be more fitting.

So, let's rant away!

I'll start us off with the issue of sound in space.  In space, no one can hear you scream, right?

Though in every space battle, you can hear everything that occurs no matter where you are in space as if you are traveling through Earth's atmosphere at sea level.

Now, unless all of space in the Star Fox universe contains Earth's atmospheric composition at sea level, this would not be realistic.  Sound waves are dependent on the presence of molecules for propagation to a hearing receiver from a sound source.  Without these molecules, there is no transfer mechanism in which sound can travel.

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

^OMG, it's PHY all over again.

LOL, I have nothing constructive to contribute. Hopefully, that'll change.

[Kid_Cortet]

i personally had issues with the warp point......form my understanding (Even though worm holes and all that are theoretical to begin with)

you still need a huge amount of power to create on, something i can't see that small of a station to do easily unless those moving pieces going around the station are the energy converters

and if my post makes no sense feel free to delete it lol...i wont mind

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

^Frankly I never understood the concept of warping to begin with so you got one over me. But which warp point are you talking about?

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

Don't worry, I'll try not to go *too far* above people's heads.

Speaking of heads, what about the body proportions of the characters?  Apparently large heads have been a consistent theme throughout the series for nearly every character.  I can't imagine the additional stress the rest of their body frames below the neck have to put up with to continuously support such weight.

On the other hand, perhaps they contain larger-than-normal brains for increased intelligence?  I don't know, they seem to have average intelligence to me.

Of course, the true compositions of the characters' anatomies are of complete speculation.

[Guest DRL]

There is the life on Aquas which mutates due to

some sort of radiation in SF64. "The pllution has started".

Slippy - If I recall correctly - Says so.

But then, when/how is the pollution controlled?

And if not, why is not Aquas a radioactive place in

later games? (All is know is of SFC, and the place looks

quite clear water, if you as me).

As far as I know, Star Fox just leaves after defeating

the huge-sized boss.

[Kid_Cortet]

^Frankly I never understood the concept of warping to begin with so you got one over me. But which warp point are you talking about?

the Warp gate they use to get from Cornaria to the Aparoid home world.....it bends space, meaning you can get from like here to say Jupiter in a matter of seconds... and the energy requirements are emensive or we would already have the technology...

Don't worry, I'll try not to go *too far* above people's heads.

Speaking of heads, what about the body proportions of the characters?  Apparently large heads have been a consistent theme throughout the series for nearly every character.  I can't imagine the additional stress the rest of their body frames below the neck have to put up with to continuously support such weight.

On the other hand, perhaps they contain larger-than-normal brains for increased intelligence?  I don't know, they seem to have average intelligence to me.

Of course, the true compositions of the characters' anatomies are of complete speculation.

or their brains are so small that the heads are lighter then the bodies lol

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

Come to think of it, I'm wondering about the acidic seas in Venom mentioned in SFC. I wonder how they were able to neutralize it so quickly with a small concentrated (Probably has to be pure) base in the shape of a pill (or whatever) to neutralize Venom's Sea? Venom's Sea I assume would have to be large. If that's the case then we should be able to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions in the sea as well and not worry about killing off coral reefs.

Also, how can you operate an aircraft submerged underwater? Shouldn't the pressure be enough to crack the cockpit glass? Shouldn't the console die out due to water seeping in? I'm pretty sure arwings, wolfens and CDF fighters were not engineered to go underwater.

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

i personally had issues with the warp point......form my understanding (Even though worm holes and all that are theoretical to begin with)

you still need a huge amount of power to create on, something i can't see that small of a station to do easily unless those moving pieces going around the station are the energy converters

and if my post makes no sense feel free to delete it lol...i wont mind

From what I know, teleportation via wormhole involves entering a black hole that sucks in matter and exiting a white hole somewhere else that spews out matter, and the wormhole itself is the connection of the two.

While the concept of wormhole is somewhat plausible, safe transport through them isn't.  The forces involved would likely destroy anything that passes through.

Another form of teleportation involves the deconstruction of a being's molecules at one point, the transport of them through space, and the reconstruction of said being's molecules at another point.

However, this faces two problems.  First, such a deconstruction would likely require a violent explosion, which would kill the beings involved.  Second, if one were to survive the explosion, what are the odds of all the molecules rearranging themselves correctly to form the being again?

Pretty big.

Let's do a mathematical example!

Let's say that Wolf here is made of a million particles. 

And those million particles occupy one million positions. 

This is the only configuration of molecules that makes up Wolf.  Now let's deconstruct him! 

BOOM! 

So now Wolf's molecules are mixing themselves up as they transport to the new location.

When they get there, they have one million positions to fill when they get there.

Now for the math.  The factorial sign (!) is used for calculating these kinds of odds.

It works by multiplying the number specified by all of the preceding integers.

For example:

1! = 1

2! = 1 * 2 = 2

3! = 1 * 2 * 3 = 6

4! = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 = 24

5! = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 = 120

And so on.

For a million positions, the odds of all of the molecules coming back together again would be 1 in (1,000,000!)

From the previous trend, you can see that this must be VERY LARGE, as the answer from the previous number is multiplied by the next.

In conclusion, 1,000,000! (Or one million factorial) is approximately 8.26 x 10^5565708.

So the odds of Wolf coming back together without a molecule out of place is one in that number.

This is a very simplified example, however, in that a person is typically made up of billions, not millions, of molecules, so the odds would likely be worse in a more realistic case.

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

^So the Zypher Ring used in that warp pretty much makes the odds against being back in one piece into the odds in favor.

Would the Zypher Ring be the wormhole?

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

*is unfamiliar with a Zypher Ring*

What is this....Zypher Ring....of which you speak?

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

The thingamabob that does the warping. I guess. Lemme find a video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TDtnglISqA&feature=related

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

Well, this kind of teleport is not quite like the kind in which you travel through the air, but instead you travel through portals linked through a perhaps higher spatial dimension.  So there wouldn't be shuffling of molecules in this case.

[Sol-Ratcht Saporro]

Oh okay. I would have thought warping was all one in the same.

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

There is the life on Aquas which mutates due to

some sort of radiation in SF64. "The pllution has started".

Slippy - If I recall correctly - Says so.

But then, when/how is the pollution controlled?

And if not, why is not Aquas a radioactive place in

later games? (All is know is of SFC, and the place looks

quite clear water, if you as me).

As far as I know, Star Fox just leaves after defeating

the huge-sized boss.

I think the big question here is how much pollution was released.  If it was just limited to a concentrated area of the planet, then the pollution amount would probably become dispersed through the planet's currents over a few years.  By the next appearance, the planet would look clean.

If it was a planet-wide contamination, all I can say is that the planet was probably cleaned up manually during the period by a cooperation of governments.  Sure, cleaning up an entire planet in a few years is absolutely massive, but with their level of technology, it may be entirely possible.

Oh okay. I would have thought warping was all one in the same.

Well, all the methods have the same goal of transporting someone or something from point A to point B nearly instantaneously, but the ways of going about it are different.

[Sableye]

Come to think of it, I'm wondering about the acidic seas in Venom mentioned in SFC. I wonder how they were able to neutralize it so quickly with a small concentrated (Probably has to be pure) base in the shape of a pill (or whatever) to neutralize Venom's Sea? Venom's Sea I assume would have to be large. If that's the case then we should be able to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions in the sea as well and not worry about killing off coral reefs.

Also, how can you operate an aircraft submerged underwater? Shouldn't the pressure be enough to crack the cockpit glass? Shouldn't the console die out due to water seeping in? I'm pretty sure arwings, wolfens and CDF fighters were not engineered to go underwater.

You need a big pane of glass to go through space.

ABOUT 18 TO 21 inches thick.

That's more than necessary to go underwater intact.

[rebel_gunman]

I don't know about the science behind starfox... but after a visit to the SW forums, and seeing real hoverboards and real lightsaber like lasers, I'm ready to believe anything.

[Robert Monroe]

Oh god, EVERYTHING in here is insane.

Biologically speaking: the characters proportions are asinine, their heads are far too large to be supported properly by a vertebral column, their torsos too small, and generally they are dimunitive. Not to mention the ENTIRE IDEA that an alien species has developed humanoid counterparts to EVERY ANIMAL ON EARTH is so off the wall that natural selection cries itself to sleep.

Then you have one-climate worlds, like Titania, Fichina, Fortuna, Corneria, Aquas, and Zoness, the fact they orbit a freakin red dwarf of all things, the fact anything can even LIVE on Venom (the clouds would overheat it like Venus, but being the last planet means it should be frigid), the fact 4 freakin starfighters can CROSS THIS SYSTEM IN A DAY.

There's sound in space, Andross can freakin BREATHE AND TALK IN SPACE, the spaceships are designed like naval vessels, there's giant robots, a monster made of LIVING LAVA, things FALL IN SPACE (watch Rock Crusher die in SF64), and Sauria in SFA just makes my head spin with how it SUPPORTS LIFE AS CHUNKS OF IT TEAR OFF.

From a less scientific and more pratical point of view, every gun in Assault was terrible too, but that's another story.

[Four-eyed Vulpine]

Sauria in SFA just makes my head spin with how it SUPPORTS LIFE AS CHUNKS OF IT TEAR OFF.

Oh gosh, I actually ran some tests a little while back to determine Sauria's size and what would be its apparent mass due to its Earth-like gravity.  I'll get back to you when I find my documents about it.

[Guest DRL]

I think the big question here is how much pollution was released.  If it was just limited to a concentrated area of the planet, then the pollution amount would probably become dispersed through the planet's currents over a few years.  By the next appearance, the planet would look clean.

If it was a planet-wide contamination, all I can say is that the planet was probably cleaned up manually during the period by a cooperation of governments.  Sure, cleaning up an entire planet in a few years is absolutely massive, but with their level of technology, it may be entirely possible.

Agreed, either it's self-regulation system cleaned

the planet naturally or it was cleaned by joint efforts

from all over Lylat.

[Sonia Mendoza]

From what I know, teleportation via wormhole involves entering a black hole that sucks in matter and exiting a white hole somewhere else that spews out matter, and the wormhole itself is the connection of the two.

While the concept of wormhole is somewhat plausible, safe transport through them isn't.  The forces involved would likely destroy anything that passes through.

Another form of teleportation involves the deconstruction of a being's molecules at one point, the transport of them through space, and the reconstruction of said being's molecules at another point.

However, this faces two problems.  First, such a deconstruction would likely require a violent explosion, which would kill the beings involved.  Second, if one were to survive the explosion, what are the odds of all the molecules rearranging themselves correctly to form the being again?

Pretty big.

Let's do a mathematical example!

Let's say that Wolf here is made of a million particles. 

And those million particles occupy one million positions. 

This is the only configuration of molecules that makes up Wolf.  Now let's deconstruct him! 

BOOM! 

So now Wolf's molecules are mixing themselves up as they transport to the new location.

When they get there, they have one million positions to fill when they get there.

Now for the math.  The factorial sign (!) is used for calculating these kinds of odds.

It works by multiplying the number specified by all of the preceding integers.

For example:

1! = 1

2! = 1 * 2 = 2

3! = 1 * 2 * 3 = 6

4! = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 = 24

5! = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 = 120

And so on.

For a million positions, the odds of all of the molecules coming back together again would be 1 in (1,000,000!)

From the previous trend, you can see that this must be VERY LARGE, as the answer from the previous number is multiplied by the next.

In conclusion, 1,000,000! (Or one million factorial) is approximately 8.26 x 10^5565708.

So the odds of Wolf coming back together without a molecule out of place is one in that number.

This is a very simplified example, however, in that a person is typically made up of billions, not millions, of molecules, so the odds would likely be worse in a more realistic case.

Just watched it on Discovery Channel today; the things that went through a wormhole, and it separated into sub-atomic particles.