SF643D and the canon

[Vy'drach]

Well, it would surprise me even more if Miyu and/or Fay were added in the new installment, or remake.  To be honest, even though they aren't considered canon, it would be interesting to see them finally in a Starfox game since a lot of people like these two women along with a cameo of Fara Phoenix and possibly just a cutscene or two with the three -- maybe some other 'good stuff.' 

Thats my opinion on the matter.

Them as unlockable characters would be awesome, as well.

[Guest Para Astaroth]

Them as unlockable characters would be awesome, as well.

That is also another alternative I would enjoy seeing.  Just making them as unlockable for multiplayer like Assault was like wouldn't satisfy any of core Star Fox fans -- neither myself.  Include them as substitue characters into the storyline, maybe take their roles for awhile, or just make them as unlockable skins for certain characters, maybe?

[Vy'drach]

That is also another alternative I would enjoy seeing.  Just making them as unlockable for multiplayer like Assault was like wouldn't satisfy any of core Star Fox fans -- neither myself.  Include them as substitue characters into the storyline, maybe take their roles for awhile, or just make them as unlockable skins for certain characters, maybe?

That's what I have been saying for a while, even when it was talking about a new SF Wii game, it can't hurt gameplay, just bolster it.

[Guest Para Astaroth]

That's what I have been saying for a while, even when it was talking about a new SF Wii game, it can't hurt gameplay, just bolster it.

But what I would ALSO enjoy more is if they increase the freaking map size of the levels.  I just felt like I was crammed into a delivery box and send down the assembly lines while shooting inferior products down.  I want it to AT LEAST be as large as a mile wide in diameter and lengthen the distance you have to go, and MAKE IT SEEM REASONABLE!!!  The mission on Assault where you have to locate and kill Oikinny was just... Retarded.  A base near a rainforest like jungle and smack dab in the middle of nowhere?! 

[Guest DRL]

That's what I have been saying for a while, even when it was talking about a new SF Wii game, it can't hurt gameplay, just bolster it.

Agreed completely!  :D

[Star Fox Runner]

But what I would ALSO enjoy more is if they increase the freaking map size of the levels.  I just felt like I was crammed into a delivery box and send down the assembly lines while shooting inferior products down.  I want it to AT LEAST be as large as a mile wide in diameter and lengthen the distance you have to go, and MAKE IT SEEM REASONABLE!!!  The mission on Assault where you have to locate and kill Oikinny was just... Retarded.  A base near a rainforest like jungle and smack dab in the middle of nowhere?! 

I don't understand how that would make the base's location retarded. It's located near a rainforest and inside a canyon in the middle of nowhere, that would decrease the likelihood of Oikonny and his troops being discovered by the Cornerian Army.

[Kursed]

As far as the actual main storyline, I imagine it will be the same, just better graphics, maybe slightly altered character models. I would like to see the addition of characters from other SF games added as playable unlocks, after beating the game and such, maybe ones in multiplayer. These wouldn't affect cannon, but would be nice for everyone, as Krystal fans get Krystal, and so such.

If Krystal would  be added she'd have to be very young and likly on Cerinia  just to be cannon with the rest of the series....maybe a small sideplot unlockalbe after the end of the game or somethign.

[Vy'drach]

If Krystal would  be added she'd have to be very young and likly on Cerinia  just to be cannon with the rest of the series....maybe a small sideplot unlockalbe after the end of the game or somethign.

Not necessarily, this is just a "for fun" thing, it has no need to make sense. Just saying that after you beat the game, perhaps obtain a certain amount of hits on a particular level, or some other criteria, you can use a different character to play as in SP/MP.

[Guest Para Astaroth]

I don't understand how that would make the base's location retarded. It's located near a rainforest and inside a canyon in the middle of nowhere, that would decrease the likelihood of Oikonny and his troops being discovered by the Cornerian Army.

I see your point, but I just hate the concept.  It took an EXTREMELY minimal of time to locate the base and you happened to stumble on Oikinny's flagship.  Coincidence, I call it.

[Vy'drach]

I see your point, but I just hate the concept.  It took an EXTREMELY minimal of time to locate the base and you happened to stumble on Oikinny's flagship.  Coincidence, I call it.

True, but you don't want em too long, I think Macbeth length missions are about right.

[Guest Para Astaroth]

True, but you don't want em too long, I think Macbeth length missions are about right.

See?  Why not make them that long without making the mission a few seconds long?  I just don't get that...  lol

Anyways, maybe make the Landmaster a little more size proportional than it was in Assault.  Assault's seemed... Small.

[Vy'drach]

See?  Why not make them that long without making the mission a few seconds long?  I just don't get that...  lol

Anyways, maybe make the Landmaster a little more size proportional than it was in Assault.  Assault's seemed... Small.

I imagine it will have the 64 model.

[Guest Para Astaroth]

I imagine it will have the 64 model.

Thats a high possibility.  But, at least we would have a proportional sized Landmaster.

[Chrono Reaper]

In a way I am glad that Nintendo gave us something rather than nothing regarding the Star Fox franchise. Even though after seeing this years e3 Nintendo gave me hope that they haven't lost momentum in games. This new Star fox 64 looks entirely different, looks like a hole new revamp. I only wish they had the respect to announce something like this in their conference, rather than only showing a glimpse of an arwing during the 3ds representation.

Star Fox is a part of our life as much as Nintendo's, maybe someday we will get a chance to see another Star Fox game for a console based system. In the time being Star Fox has once again fell in the rut of hand helds. Will Star Fox be doomed to stay in the hand helds systems forever is up to the people of Nintendo and their judgment? We may have only gotten half of what we wanted, but alas we have hope and Star Fox will once again return in a big way. 

[Robert Monroe]

I see your point, but I just hate the concept.  It took an EXTREMELY minimal of time to locate the base and you happened to stumble on Oikinny's flagship.  Coincidence, I call it.

And in SF64, you conviently find....

-the same base Bill as at, which is the same base that has the Saurcauer attacking

-the exact location of the remains of an Andross base just after it was destryoed

-happen to get to the Fichina base as the Venoms set up the bomb

-fly to the exact spot as Sarumarine on Zoness

-the exact canyon on Aquas as Baccoon

-the exact same supply train on MacBeth that was transporting MechBeth

-the secret entrance to Andross n Venom II, or in a case of inconvienence...

-the fake robot Andross on Venom I

So yeah.

Anyway, I don't really -care- that most Starfox fans are Krystal fans. I've been around enough of both for enough years to know that alot of them are idiots I could care less for. I don't give a damn that Krystal isn't in SF64 and ergo has little to no chance outside of easter eggs to be in the 3DS remake, and I don't give a damn that people will be butthurt over this fact, because its damn Starfox 64, and unless you're Dermot, that is damn well needed. It plays nice, feels nice, looks nice, and stands entirely on its own two feet even after 13 years.

[Falcory]

I don't see what many people are worried about. Games get remade all the time and the canon doesn't really get changed. It's not like how Starfox 64 was a RE-DO of Starfox, this will be a remake of Starfox 64 meaning they'll probably have a few extra features and possibly a few map changes.

Unless Nintendo is completely retarded I can't see them adding Krystal in the story unless it's for Multiplayer (Like Runner said) or for a side story or bonus level. (Like Kursed said) 

[Guest DRL]

Like Vydrach said, I would like to see bonuses to

add to the replayability. I want the Cat's Paw!  :lol:

[Fureox]

I'm curious as to what the multiplayer features are on the 3DS.

Is it going to have wifi capabilities? Or will it once again be the

30 feet range ad hoc mode? (I think that's what it's called )

[Vy'drach]

I'm curious as to what the multiplayer features are on the 3DS.

Is it going to have wifi capabilities? Or will it once again be the

30 feet range ad hoc mode? (I think that's what it's called )

Believe they said it has wi-fi, and is constantly searching for wi-fi locations, "without you knowing" as they put it. Sounds rather creepy to me, but I'm sure they mean it works automatically, not requiring it to be a PITA to you.

[Fureox]

Ah, that's right. I remember them saying something about that briefly during

E3. At the time, I was multitasking and wasn't paying enough attention

Anyway, I think this wifi will make the 3DS even cooler. I mean, playing multiplayer in

3D might be pretty cool  :D

[Sapphire]

Considering that a good chunk of the canon was established by SF64, how should we handle it if they made some changes? Like adding Krystal?  or  ? Brown Bill or Gray Bill? Andross' motivation (I'm thinking Krystal's suggestion in SFC)? This could lead to some nasty retcons.

As one of the 5 people that actually cares about the SF canon, I must admit I am a little worried.

I think it would be VERY intresting to see Krystal in SF64. :)

[Sabre]

Hey.

Geuss what.

I'm a gamer. I like 3D. BOOM THERE GOES YOUR ARGUEMENT.

Anyway, I could care less for most of the canon right now. If SF643D has to rewrite the entire franchise, well, it can really only be for the better. Resident Evil's remake on the Gamecube one-upped the original in every way. And how the heck can a game thats set before Krystal can do something to erase her. You all are some kind of paranoid.

Yes, that's the problem canon wise, as it changed stuff, and yet still didn't give us the 'true' ending. The true ending in canon is all 4 survive the mansion, the best you can do in the games is 3. RE0 really crapped up the place by adding so many holes alot of fans choose to ignore it.

The issue as I see it is what if they add panther to starwolf? What if they add a prolog chapter ect. These are unlikely, but possable. In that event, what is canon?

[Robert Monroe]

Yes, that's the problem canon wise, as it changed stuff, and yet still didn't give us the 'true' ending. The true ending in canon is all 4 survive the mansion, the best you can do in the games is 3. RE0 really crapped up the place by adding so many holes alot of fans choose to ignore it.

The issue as I see it is what if they add panther to starwolf? What if they add a prolog chapter ect. These are unlikely, but possable. In that event, what is canon?

Well its not like Resident Evil was hole-less before 0.... 0 filled some in, and then it added more

As for REmake, well, the answer is clearly "gameplay and story seperation".

[SPEAKERnight.]

I just hope that they either add more story or NOT re-retcon the living heck out of the canon like last time even SFSNES didn't do much for the canon in the first place.

[Star Fox Runner]

I hope they don't change the cannon up, but I do kinda hope they do something cool for the story scenes, as in like detailed cutscenes before and after missions. Do more for the story like that without changing anything.