SF643D and the canon

[Falcory]

I hope they don't change the cannon up, but I do kinda hope they do something cool for the story scenes, as in like detailed cutscenes before and after missions. Do more for the story like that without changing anything.

That's what I was hoping for as well.

Other things may be online Multi-player, maybe some extra mini-levels. (Like playing as Fox when having to go in and defuse the bomb on "Fichina")

On a side-note, wonder if they will fix their mistake of Fortuna being Fichina this time around?  :|

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I hope they don't change the cannon up, but I do kinda hope they do something cool for the story scenes, as in like detailed cutscenes before and after missions. Do more for the story like that without changing anything.

That's what I was hoping for as well.

Other things may be online Multi-player, maybe some extra mini-levels. (Like playing as Fox when having to go in and defuse the bomb on "Fichina")

On a side-note, wonder if they will fix their mistake of Fortuna being Fichina this time around? 

I agree with Runner and Falcory!

[Star Fox Runner]

On a side-note, wonder if they will fix their mistake of Fortuna being Fichina this time around? 

Oh yeah! The Fortuna, Fichina mis-translation! I kinda hope they fix that this time around!

[Falcory]

Oh yeah! The Fortuna, Fichina mis-translation! I kinda hope they fix that this time around!

They should. Unless they somehow miss it again, but I doubt it. lol

[Sapphire]

Excuse me for asking.....but what is "Canon"?

[Vy'drach]

Excuse me for asking.....but what is "Canon"?

What is officially the story, and established events.

[Sapphire]

What is officially the story, and established events.

Oh lol took me a minute didn't it? Thanks!

[Vy'drach]

No problem, no one knows this stuff automatically.

[Sapphire]

Now that I know what the heck is going on.

I think the "Canon" has gone well so far

EXCEPT (Everybody knows what I'm gonna say next) COMMAND.

Command is most likley what made SF plummet down into the pits of hell...it sucked SO much stamen there was none left for Mayor Bee

I HOPE that in the future of Star Fox (Excluding SF643D) they will just ignore the events in SFC.

[Robert Monroe]

Now that I know what the heck is going on.

I think the "Canon" has gone well so far

EXCEPT (Everybody knows what I'm gonna say next) COMMAND.

Command is most likley what made SF plummet down into the pits of hell...it sucked SO much stamen there was none left for Mayor Bee

I HOPE that in the future of Star Fox (Excluding SF643D) they will just ignore the events in SFC.

Haha wat.

Assault raped the canon just as bad. It killed off an important character (Pigma) and didn't even have the common courtesy to resolve the character issues surrounding him. He hospitalized General Pepper, which set the stage for PEPPY of all people to become the next General. The Aparoids themselves are a tumor on the seires, how does a single Aparoid destroy an entire fleet, then get completely forgotten about by everyone except ROB and Beltino, and are then easily dispatched en masse by a single man (Fox because the rest of his team doesn't do shit). And then of course is the mutilation of Leon's voice, the random inclusion of Krystal's previously unmentioned psychic powers, and so on.

All Command do was have 8 out of 9 shitty endings.

[Guest DRL]

All Command do was have 8 out of 9 shitty endings.

Out of curiousity, may I ask

which ending is not 'bad' to

your standards?  O_o

[Sapphire]

Haha wat.

Assault raped the canon just as bad. It killed off an important character (Pigma) and didn't even have the common courtesy to resolve the character issues surrounding him. He hospitalized General Pepper, which set the stage for PEPPY of all people to become the next General. The Aparoids themselves are a tumor on the seires, how does a single Aparoid destroy an entire fleet, then get completely forgotten about by everyone except ROB and Beltino, and are then easily dispatched en masse by a single man (Fox because the rest of his team doesn't do shit). And then of course is the mutilation of Leon's voice, the random inclusion of Krystal's previously unmentioned psychic powers, and so on.

All Command do was have 8 out of 9 shitty endings.

Of course the rest of Fox's team doesn't do shit, if they did, Fox would have nothing to do! That's what makes the game fun.

[Vy'drach]

Haha wat.

Assault raped the canon just as bad. It killed off an important character (Pigma) and didn't even have the common courtesy to resolve the character issues surrounding him. He hospitalized General Pepper, which set the stage for PEPPY of all people to become the next General. The Aparoids themselves are a tumor on the seires, how does a single Aparoid destroy an entire fleet, then get completely forgotten about by everyone except ROB and Beltino, and are then easily dispatched en masse by a single man (Fox because the rest of his team doesn't do shit). And then of course is the mutilation of Leon's voice, the random inclusion of Krystal's previously unmentioned psychic powers, and so on.

All Command do was have 8 out of 9 shitty endings.

Krystal's telepathic powers were mentioned before, such as her telepathic messages to Fox in Adventures. I don't really see much else with Pigma happening, and he isn't proven dead, we thought Andrew died, and he was able to reappear in Command (though hopefully Command isn't considered canon at all). General Pepper was hospitalized by the Aparoids taking over his body, and forcing him into a conflict with Star Fox. Also, if an Aparoid destroyed the entire fleet, and they sent out reinforcements, the creature wouldn't necessarily be there, and there wouldn't be much that anyone could do about it, so it would just be shelved as a "one-time" occurence. And the Arwings are much better at taking on a creature such as an Aparoid to a space-frigate or destroyer, which, I imagine, would be slow, lumbering beasts. The Arwings also are likely to out-perform the standard Cornerian fighter vessel.

Also, the same Aparoid that Fox initially fights isn't necessarily proven to be the same type as the one that destroyed the fleet. We surmise it is because it is recognized, but that's not necessarily the case as all the Aparoids seemed similar enough, and would be to recognize as one.

[Sapphire]

Krystal's telepathic powers were mentioned before, such as her telepathic messages to Fox in Adventures. I don't really see much else with Pigma happening, and he isn't proven dead, we thought Andrew died, and he was able to reappear in Command (though hopefully Command isn't considered canon at all). General Pepper was hospitalized by the Aparoids taking over his body, and forcing him into a conflict with Star Fox. Also, if an Aparoid destroyed the entire fleet, and they sent out reinforcements, the creature wouldn't necessarily be there, and there wouldn't be much that anyone could do about it, so it would just be shelved as a "one-time" occurence. And the Arwings are much better at taking on a creature such as an Aparoid to a space-frigate or destroyer, which, I imagine, would be slow, lumbering beasts. The Arwings also are likely to out-perform the standard Cornerian fighter vessel.

Also, the same Aparoid that Fox initially fights isn't necessarily proven to be the same type as the one that destroyed the fleet. We surmise it is because it is recognized, but that's not necessarily the case as all the Aparoids seemed similar enough, and would be to recognize as one.

Wow somebody needs a high-5 lol

Out of curiousity, may I ask

which ending is not 'bad' to

your standards? 

And I bet that's the ending where they all get back together as a team and start a new journey lol

[Vy'drach]

Wow somebody needs a high-5 lol

[Sapphire]

Somebody came to class prepared, I'm adding you to my buddies list lol.

[Vy'drach]

Somebody came to class prepared, I'm adding you to my buddies list lol.

Actually I made that one for the occassion (doesn't get much more epic than a gorilla high-fiving a shark), but danke, and alrighty. I kind of collect motivational posters, and what I don't already have, I find or make.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Krystal's telepathic powers were mentioned before, such as her telepathic messages to Fox in Adventures. I don't really see much else with Pigma happening, and he isn't proven dead, we thought Andrew died, and he was able to reappear in Command (though hopefully Command isn't considered canon at all). General Pepper was hospitalized by the Aparoids taking over his body, and forcing him into a conflict with Star Fox. Also, if an Aparoid destroyed the entire fleet, and they sent out reinforcements, the creature wouldn't necessarily be there, and there wouldn't be much that anyone could do about it, so it would just be shelved as a "one-time" occurence. And the Arwings are much better at taking on a creature such as an Aparoid to a space-frigate or destroyer, which, I imagine, would be slow, lumbering beasts. The Arwings also are likely to out-perform the standard Cornerian fighter vessel.

Also, the same Aparoid that Fox initially fights isn't necessarily proven to be the same type as the one that destroyed the fleet. We surmise it is because it is recognized, but that's not necessarily the case as all the Aparoids seemed similar enough, and would be to recognize as one.

Well said, dude!

[Sapphire]

Actually I made that one for the occassion (doesn't get much more epic than a gorilla high-fiving a shark), but danke, and alrighty. I kind of collect motivational posters, and what I don't already have, I find or make.

lol i know Danke! That's German for Gracias, which is spanish for thank you wooo lol

[Robert Monroe]

Out of curiousity, may I ask

which ending is not 'bad' to

your standards? 

The one where Slippy gets married and has dicktons of grandkids. Because you can't go wrong with Slippy in a top hat.

Krystal's telepathic powers were mentioned before, such as her telepathic messages to Fox in Adventures. I don't really see much else with Pigma happening, and he isn't proven dead, we thought Andrew died, and he was able to reappear in Command (though hopefully Command isn't considered canon at all). General Pepper was hospitalized by the Aparoids taking over his body, and forcing him into a conflict with Star Fox. Also, if an Aparoid destroyed the entire fleet, and they sent out reinforcements, the creature wouldn't necessarily be there, and there wouldn't be much that anyone could do about it, so it would just be shelved as a "one-time" occurence. And the Arwings are much better at taking on a creature such as an Aparoid to a space-frigate or destroyer, which, I imagine, would be slow, lumbering beasts. The Arwings also are likely to out-perform the standard Cornerian fighter vessel.

Also, the same Aparoid that Fox initially fights isn't necessarily proven to be the same type as the one that destroyed the fleet. We surmise it is because it is recognized, but that's not necessarily the case as all the Aparoids seemed similar enough, and would be to recognize as one.

Krystal's telepthic messages in Adventures? When? There's the message from the staff... but that was an automated pre-recorded message. The cries Fox hears in Moon Mountain are ambiguous in nature due to the presense of the Krazoa that may or may not have been Andross.

Pigma is a character that holds a crux to Fox and Peppy's relationship. He's the bastard who left James to die, Fox's father and Peppy's BFF. So yeah, the fact Assault basically IGNORED THIS ENTIRELY is balmy. As for Andrew, he was never confirmed or denied "dead" in Assault, and I doubt many people really beleived he died. Pigma on the other hand is confirmed as dead in Assault, and even if he wasn't HE IS A MUTATED FACE ON A METAL ABOMINATION IN SPACE.

I know why General Pepper was hospitalized, and it was bullshit. Another cheapass attempt at drama, no better than "HURDDURF FOX AND KRYSTAL SOAP OPERA" in Command. The single Aparoid nonsense is just a plothole, as even if it was a one time occurance, HOLY SHIT THIS SPACE BUG CAME OUT OF NOWHERE AND KILLED PEOPLE DOES NOT ANYONE REMEMBER THIS.

The arguement of the Arwing doesn't even make sense, because if anything a big bad space battleship packs MORE of a punch (see: Area 6 in SF64). And yea, the Aparoid that desrtoyed the fleet IS THE SAME KIND. It is visually IDENTICLE.

I don't get all this defense for Assault but hate for Command. Command at least had more respect for the mythology of the series (throwing in references to the older games, giving little details about Andross), and both were god-awful controlling poorly written failures.

[Vy'drach]

Krystal's telepthic messages in Adventures? When? There's the message from the staff... but that was an automated pre-recorded message. The cries Fox hears in Moon Mountain are ambiguous in nature due to the presense of the Krazoa that may or may not have been Andross.

Both were still Krystal's thoughts and voice, supplied by her mental abilities. And the Krazoa was likely only bolstering her ability, since she doesn't appear to have a great range with her abilities. And remember the ending, where Fox says that Andross likely captured Krystal due to her powers making it possible to channel the energy.

Pigma is a character that holds a crux to Fox and Peppy's relationship. He's the bastard who left James to die, Fox's father and Peppy's BFF. So yeah, the fact Assault basically IGNORED THIS ENTIRELY is balmy. As for Andrew, he was never confirmed or denied "dead" in Assault, and I doubt many people really beleived he died. Pigma on the other hand is confirmed as dead in Assault, and even if he wasn't HE IS A MUTATED FACE ON A METAL ABOMINATION IN SPACE.

Several people were attacked and converted by the Aparoids, and returned to normal. Pepper was assimilated except for his mind, and Peppy was beginning to be when he crashed the Great Fox into the shield. We don't know how the Aparoid assimilation works, and I doubt that face on the satellite was Pigma's true skin, likely just an image created in it's likeness.

I know why General Pepper was hospitalized, and it was bullshit. Another cheapass attempt at drama, no better than "HURDDURF FOX AND KRYSTAL SOAP OPERA" in Command. The single Aparoid nonsense is just a plothole, as even if it was a one time occurance, HOLY SHIT THIS SPACE BUG CAME OUT OF NOWHERE AND KILLED PEOPLE DOES NOT ANYONE REMEMBER THIS.

I actually found the assimilation of Pepper a nice touch, I knew it was coming, but still a good show. And remember, the Lylat System has strange creatures all over, and I am sure other strange creatures from other systems. I doubt every creature coming into contact and attacking gets wide-spread notice, and a single aparoid destroying a fleet then never being seen again wouldn't become widespread since I imagine it would be classified, isn't the first time something like that has happened, etc etc.

The arguement of the Arwing doesn't even make sense, because if anything a big bad space battleship packs MORE of a punch (see: Area 6 in SF64). And yea, the Aparoid that desrtoyed the fleet IS THE SAME KIND. It is visually IDENTICLE.

They may pack a bigger punch than the Arwing, but that doesn't mean shit if you can't hit the target. If "the biggest punch = victory" was the case, there would be no arwings or fighters, and the team would battle from the Great Fox itself. I imagine the big space ship's shots take time to fire (as every large shot in every Star Fox game has), and is easy to avoid (also as it has been in every game). And while the aparoid that destroyed the fleet does appear the same physically, it also appears to be much much larger, due to it's size compared to the battleship next to it. Perhaps it is an older one? In reality, this was just a game designer thing to keep the other forms of aparoids secret until they were unveiled later in the game, but it still appears to be quite larger. Also, it happened 17 years prior to Assault, when Fox, Falco, and Slippy were still rather young.

I don't get all this defense for Assault but hate for Command. Command at least had more respect for the mythology of the series (throwing in references to the older games, giving little details about Andross), and both were god-awful controlling poorly written failures.

How about because Command took every character's personality, stomped on it, and threw it out the window? While it did have little tributes to older games, it did not have any respect for the characters and their situations. And I didn't mind Assault or Command's controls, could of been fine tuned a bit, but that's it. Command just had stupid gameplay mechanics, with an even dumber story that was a spit in the face to the rest of the series. Assault at least continued the story rather nicely.

[Robert Monroe]

Both were still Krystal's thoughts and voice, supplied by her mental abilities. And the Krazoa was likely only bolstering her ability, since she doesn't appear to have a great range with her abilities. And remember the ending, where Fox says that Andross likely captured Krystal due to her powers making it possible to channel the energy.

Or the Staff has an answering machine built into it. There is no explanation given beyond the Staff itself had the message contained, so how it got there is anyone's geuss. No evidence supporting telepathy.

Nextly, channeling magic bullshit Krazoa energy =/= telepathy. Krystal WAS an emulator in SFA, not a telepath. There is zero evidence of Krystal being a telepath in Adventures, it was entirely fabricated in Assault.

Several people were attacked and converted by the Aparoids, and returned to normal. Pepper was assimilated except for his mind, and Peppy was beginning to be when he crashed the Great Fox into the shield. We don't know how the Aparoid assimilation works, and I doubt that face on the satellite was Pigma's true skin, likely just an image created in it's likeness.

Pepper and Peppy were still HUMAN when they turned. Pigma became an ELDRITCH ABOMINATION, and his ghost is in Command, pretty much confirming he is dead. Sure, it can be retconned, but that doesn't change the fact Assault attempted to kill of a key character.

I actually found the assimilation of Pepper a nice touch, I knew it was coming, but still a good show. And remember, the Lylat System has strange creatures all over, and I am sure other strange creatures from other systems. I doubt every creature coming into contact and attacking gets wide-spread notice, and a single aparoid destroying a fleet then never being seen again wouldn't become widespread since I imagine it would be classified, isn't the first time something like that has happened, etc etc.

No, the "assimilation" of Pepper was not a nice touch. It was a cliche I saw coming at me at 9000 MPH the second they announced Corneria was attacked, made to make me somehow feel like this is a real war that is really affecting people. It didn't work. It was artificial, and staged, and did not strike empathy with me, but rather annoyance at how damn horrible this game's writing is getting. As for the aparoid, it was on the NEWS. The footage Beltino shows is a recording of it. Even if it wasn't an aparoid and something entirely more "natural", people just don't FORGET about a tragic dstruction of an ENTIRE FLEET. Fleets are BIG. This is straining my suspension of disbeleif so bad I can feel it ripping.

They may pack a bigger punch than the Arwing, but that doesn't mean shit if you can't hit the target. If "the biggest punch = victory" was the case, there would be no arwings or fighters, and the team would battle from the Great Fox itself. I imagine the big space ship's shots take time to fire (as every large shot in every Star Fox game has), and is easy to avoid (also as it has been in every game). And while the aparoid that destroyed the fleet does appear the same physically, it also appears to be much much larger, due to it's size compared to the battleship next to it. Perhaps it is an older one? In reality, this was just a game designer thing to keep the other forms of aparoids secret until they were unveiled later in the game, but it still appears to be quite larger. Also, it happened 17 years prior to Assault, when Fox, Falco, and Slippy were still rather young.

Or it would be a plothole BECAUSE THE GAME IS STUPID. The point is the SAME APAROID that destroyed an ENTIRE FLEET OF WARSHIPS can hit you with all its attacks, IN GAME, and barely scratch you. You're just dressing up the issue, but in the end no matter how well you dress up a poorly written plot point, it is, in the end, still a shitty plothole. And all it needed to fix it was change "sole aparoid" to "fleet of them". Also, Fox would have been 11 at the time. Or 12.

How about because Command took every character's personality, stomped on it, and threw it out the window? While it did have little tributes to older games, it did not have any respect for the characters and their situations. And I didn't mind Assault or Command's controls, could of been fine tuned a bit, but that's it. Command just had stupid gameplay mechanics, with an even dumber story that was a spit in the face to the rest of the series. Assault at least continued the story rather nicely.

Assault did this too. Falco was turned from the cocky ace to some apologetic weenie. Pigma's role as the betrayer was totally ignored. Leon was turned into a muttering lunatic. Fox went from the mostly-interesting-if-selfishlyOOC guy in Adventures to a bland piece of cardboard that makes SF64's one-liner spitting Fox look deep and exciting. Only Peppy, Slippy, and to a degree, Wolf and Krystal were unchanged, and Krystal barely had a personality to destroy anyway. Assault's story was just as dumb, and did nothing to forward the series mythology. It didn't bring the team closer together. It didn't forge new bonds and make new enemies. It just... happened. Lylat was attacked. Lylat almost died. And then it got better. The end. Command, for all its shitty writing, at least had IMPACT with its shitty writing.

[Vy'drach]

Know what, Robert, take whatever you want from the games. If you're going to base the majority of it on personal opinion, then there is no debate.

[Guest DRL]

Command, for all its shitty writing, at least had IMPACT with its shitty writing.

Because it took 'whatever' remained of the series,

and blew it up with a nuclear bomb. That is not 'impact'.

That is called 'uberly lame piece of software'. Sure, everyone

will hear the blast, but you will always regret firing the bomb.

[Robert Monroe]

Because it took 'whatever' remained of the series,

and blew it up with a nuclear bomb. That is not 'impact'.

That is called 'uberly lame piece of software'. Sure, everyone

will hear the blast, but you will always regret firing the bomb.

Fox and Krystal breaking up: impact

Slippy retiring for a life of marriage: impact

Dash suddenly becoming the badguy: impact

Starwolf becoming the heroes: impact

I never said it was GOOD writing. On the contrary, I agree it is absolutely tits writing. But it at least ACCOMPLISHES something. You could remove Assault entirely from the series mythos and have Command directly follow Adventures and nothing would really be different except for Panther coming out of nowhere.