Love Life Talk

[Sapphire]

Sabre....just drop the Disney shit :facepalm:

[Kid_Cortet]

Whoa, this stuff shouldn't be broadcast on threads. In saber's  defense, he was putting an opinion out there, without getting personal, or calling anything out.

I must agree with this......this Love topic is turning into a war discussion about love.....fine lines....fine lines

[Fluxy]

I must agree with this......this Love topic is turning into a war discussion about love.....fine lines....fine lines

Well, for that matter, all is fair in love and war. But then again, that is just a quote, not a fact. *Shrug* So unsure! >.< lolz

[Kid_Cortet]

Well, for that matter, all is fair in love and war. But then again, that is just a quote, not a fact. *Shrug* So unsure! >.< lolz

i know....it is either

Love and war

Love and peace

Love and pain

so many ways a discussion can go :P

[Sapphire]

It's supposed to be about your love life, but some people make it other wise :oops:

[Fluxy]

It's supposed to be about your love life, but some people make it other wise

???  The topic is "Love Life Talk". As long as it involves the idea of love, and how it affects lives in one way or another, I think it is on topic.

[Sapphire]

I think it is on topic.

Disney is not on topic :oops:

[Fluxy]

Disney is not on topic

In all fairness, he was talking about that idea of love, and how it translates to people, giving them ideas to how it could be. Disney is not on topic, but talking about the love messages they send constantly, I think, is fair enough to say is on topic.

[Sapphire]

In all fairness, he was talking about that idea of love, and how it translates to people, giving them ideas to how it could be. Disney is not on topic, but talking about the love messages they send constantly, I think, is fair enough to say is on topic.

They don't send love messages, they make dreams.  :?

[Fluxy]

They don't send love messages, they make dreams. 

Are you not understanding those dreams could easily be about love?! And yes, they do send love messages.

Anywho, that is now getting off topic, as now we are discussing Disney.

[Sapphire]

Are you not understanding those dreams could easily be about love?! And yes, they do send love messages.

Anywho, that is now getting off topic, as now we are discussing Disney.

Okay. Back OT.

[Kid_Cortet]

Love and Peace.....Love and Peace....use it ><

[Xortberg]

Textbook sour grapes imo. That's also the reason (imo) that alot of people claim to be A-sexual, they usually cant get a girl/boy, or have recently been dumped and thus want an easy out. That or they have not finished puberty. I have yet to meet one that doesn't fit this mold.

Hmm. I am confused. The reason I'm hard on one true love disney crap is because it goes against things like logic, free will, ignores real life things such love that isn't returned, abusive relationships or polyigamy and has alot of questions that are just hand waved such as what if one dies, and what about the thousands, if not millions people who die having not met anyone special? Not to mention how biased the selection to be used as 'proof'.

But on the other hand there are lots out there so that means it's not one true love but rather multiple, which fit's neatly into the luck + proximity theory without needing the magical stuff to prop it up.

We're not talking about 'one true love' here. Well, I'm not. I'm saying that, assuming you have a potential partner with enough similar qualities - but not too many, as that's exactly why my parents split, both being endlessly stubborn - and enough dissimilar qualities to complement your own, and who you are happy spending time with, and are physically attracted to, you can turn any feelings of affection into love, and given enough persistence, quite possibly convince them to return the feeling.

Yes, some people don't return love. Yes, some relationships are abusive. Yes, polygamy exists. But using all those as reasons that we're wrong is like saying pain, poverty and starvation are proof that happiness doesn't exist. If someone doesn't return your love, move on. If someone is abusive, move on. Of course, it isn't always as easy as saying all that, but in essence, I believe I'm right enough when it comes down to the basics.

And as I have said before (and as you have failed to acknowledge multiple times), luck and proximity do influence this stuff; it's just not the only thing to consider here. We also have to consider the personality of the people involved. I'll try to say this as politely as possible, but it most likely won't come across as polite no matter what I say. Still:

You are a very abrasive, cynical, and negative person. As such, many potential mates will be turned off of you - no one likes a Negative Nancy. You - from what I gather in this thread, so if you're different in real life, correct me - would approach a relationship with a very skeptical attitude. Self-fulfilling prophecy in action, here. If you approach a relationship believing it won't work out, you'll most likely act in a way that suggests this. People will be put off by this, and even if the relationship does get off the ground, it'll be difficult for it to stay afloat.

[Fluxy]

We're not talking about 'one true love' here. Well, I'm not. I'm saying that, assuming you have a potential partner with enough similar qualities - but not too many, as that's exactly why my parents split, both being endlessly stubborn - and enough dissimilar qualities to complement your own, and who you are happy spending time with, and are physically attracted to, you can turn any feelings of affection into love, and given enough persistence, quite possibly convince them to return the feeling.

Yes, some people don't return love. Yes, some relationships are abusive. Yes, polygamy exists. But using all those as reasons that we're wrong is like saying pain, poverty and starvation are proof that happiness doesn't exist. If someone doesn't return your love, move on. If someone is abusive, move on. Of course, it isn't always as easy as saying all that, but in essence, I believe I'm right enough when it comes down to the basics.

And as I have said before (and as you have failed to acknowledge multiple times), luck and proximity do influence this stuff; it's just not the only thing to consider here. We also have to consider the personality of the people involved. I'll try to say this as politely as possible, but it most likely won't come across as polite no matter what I say. Still:

This I will agree with.

You are a very abrasive, cynical, and negative person. As such, many potential mates will be turned off of you - no one likes a Negative Nancy. You - from what I gather in this thread, so if you're different in real life, correct me - would approach a relationship with a very skeptical attitude. Self-fulfilling prophecy in action, here. If you approach a relationship believing it won't work out, you'll most likely act in a way that suggests this. People will be put off by this, and even if the relationship does get off the ground, it'll be difficult for it to stay afloat.

Though, I don't quite see why everyone needs to post bad things about Saber in a thread. :?

[Xortberg]

Though, I don't quite see why everyone needs to post bad things about Saber in a thread.

Because it's fun! 

In all honesty, I used him because not only was he a handy example of what I was looking for, I needed something he'd be able to relate to. Who better for him to relate to than himself?

[Fluxy]

Because it's fun! 

In all honesty, I used him because not only was he a handy example of what I was looking for, I needed something he'd be able to relate to. Who better for him to relate to than himself?

Ugh. This is definitely what the site doesn't need.

Anywho, I don't really have much to say on the subject on love life's, other than A) People complain to me about it WAY too much. and B) Some people, aka a lot of people, need to become much more mature on the subject. At least where I am from that is.

[Xortberg]

Ugh. This is definitely what the site doesn't need.

Anywho, I don't really have much to say on the subject on love life's, other than A) People complain to me about it WAY too much. and B) Some people, aka a lot of people, need to become much more mature on the subject. At least where I am from that is.

What, joking trollfaces? Because in case you didn't notice, it was a joke. I even explained my motives for using him as an example.

[Fluxy]

What, joking trollfaces? Because in case you didn't notice, it was a joke. I even explained my motives for using him as an example.

=P

[Sabre]

We're not talking about 'one true love' here. Well, I'm not. I'm saying that, assuming you have a potential partner with enough similar qualities - but not too many, as that's exactly why my parents split, both being endlessly stubborn - and enough dissimilar qualities to complement your own, and who you are happy spending time with, and are physically attracted to, you can turn any feelings of affection into love, and given enough persistence, quite possibly convince them to return the feeling.

Yes, some people don't return love. Yes, some relationships are abusive. Yes, polygamy exists. But using all those as reasons that we're wrong is like saying pain, poverty and starvation are proof that happiness doesn't exist. If someone doesn't return your love, move on. If someone is abusive, move on. Of course, it isn't always as easy as saying all that, but in essence, I believe I'm right enough when it comes down to the basics.

And as I have said before (and as you have failed to acknowledge multiple times), luck and proximity do influence this stuff; it's just not the only thing to consider here. We also have to consider the personality of the people involved. I'll try to say this as politely as possible, but it most likely won't come across as polite no matter what I say. Still:

You are a very abrasive, cynical, and negative person. As such, many potential mates will be turned off of you - no one likes a Negative Nancy. You - from what I gather in this thread, so if you're different in real life, correct me - would approach a relationship with a very skeptical attitude. Self-fulfilling prophecy in action, here. If you approach a relationship believing it won't work out, you'll most likely act in a way that suggests this. People will be put off by this, and even if the relationship does get off the ground, it'll be difficult for it to stay afloat.

True, but that's what I was trying to pin down. Either he's talking one true love, or his agrument could be simplified.

I'm not saying pain, poverty and starvation are proof that happiness doesn't exsist, rather that pain, poverty and starvation prove that not everyone is.

See, the argument that I am exempt from the magical world of love because I'm X Y or Z is confirmation bias. "Everyone has a true love, except you because you don't". It's like saying "Everyone is rich, but we don't count poor people because of X". Your example only works in a reality based system.

Finally, you bring up my personality flaws without mentioning the posatives. It is just as realistic to say "I'm strong, honest, good looking and smart.", but selecting only those certain traits you need to prove your point, you can make anything seem true. This also flies in the face of the true love system again by deffinition it would be impossable for me to get on with my soul mate leaving 2 people who would never find love casually ignored.

Going way back, you should remember that I posted before how women love me right up until they learn I'm straight, then are repulsed. There is clearly something likeable in me, but for whatever reason I'm only a prize catch if I enjoy men with hairy bums.

This I will agree with.

Though, I don't quite see why everyone needs to post bad things about Saber in a thread.

Their possition is logically weak, it's all they have. That said, his example did make sence somewhat, but if anything it futher proved my point rather then his.

Also, I'm tougher then most. I don't QQ to mods trolls either.

[Xortberg]

True, but that's what I was trying to pin down. Either he's talking one true love, or his agrument could be simplified.

I'm not saying pain, poverty and starvation are proof that happiness doesn't exsist, rather that pain, poverty and starvation prove that not everyone is.

See, the argument that I am exempt from the magical world of love because I'm X Y or Z is confirmation bias. "Everyone has a true love, except you because you don't". It's like saying "Everyone is rich, but we don't count poor people because of X". Your example only works in a reality based system.

Finally, you bring up my personality flaws without mentioning the posatives. It is just as realistic to say "I'm strong, honest, good looking and smart.", but selecting only those certain traits you need to prove your point, you can make anything seem true. This also flies in the face of the true love system again by deffinition it would be impossable for me to get on with my soul mate leaving 2 people who would never find love casually ignored.

Going way back, you should remember that I posted before how women love me right up until they learn I'm straight, then are repulsed. There is clearly something likeable in me, but for whatever reason I'm only a prize catch if I enjoy men with hairy bums.

Wow, thanks for actually responding this time. I was beginning to think you'd ignore me forever 

I never said that everyone was in love, and I never said that pain and suffering were not present even in the face of love. Just like a poor, starving person with a Charleyhorse can be happy, two people in love can still be in love regardless of the present pain and suffering.

I never said you were 'exempt' from love; I was just saying that certain personality traits would restrict your chances at romance. I'm sure you do have a true love somewhere - she would possibly be cynical like you, as well as skeptical regarding issues like souls or love. Maybe she would be a complete foil to you - loving to a fault, a devout Christian, etc. My generalizations are only speculative examples, and I apologize if I made them come across as otherwise. I'll try better next time to be more clear. On a side note, I'm not questioning the validity of the statement, but the whole "only works in a reality based system" thing made me lol. Reality based, as opposed to fantasy? But I digress.

True, I didn't mention the positives. You also have to keep in mind that I don't know any of your positives - 'strong' and 'good-looking' are not only subjective, but I kind of have to know you beyond your lizard avatar to really confirm these traits. As for honest and smart, I can agree that you're honest, and you're reasonably intelligent as well. Still, even the most positive people might just be put off by negativity. And although I already did present a possible scenario in which you found your soulmate and got with her, I really have no need to address your point about the 1 true love system, as I don't agree with that system myself.

Their possition is logically weak, it's all they have. That said, his example did make sence somewhat, but if anything it futher proved my point rather then his.

Also, I'm tougher then most. I don't QQ to mods trolls either.

My position is far from logically weak - you found a single possible fallacy, which only existed due to my being unclear. And how did it prove your point? If I followed "one true love," then yeah, it would have. Instead, it backed up my point quite well. Love is what you make of it - if you are willing to believe it is possible and work to make it exist, it will possibly come to you. If you instead decide to be cynical regarding love, and believe it will probably never appear, then the odds will be slanted against you. I never once claimed that everyone will find love - just that they had the chance to, even in the worst possible situation.

[Milkyway64]

Though, I don't quite see why everyone needs to post bad things about Saber in a thread.

For the same reason anyone would say anything bad about anyone. I won't say more than I have to, but this very line is a good example of why:

Also, I'm tougher then most. I don't QQ to mods trolls either.

Superiority complex or barring that, the assumption that everyone else is weak and run to the mods when he posts, when most of his "rivals" so to speak never have. It also leads to the impression that he covers his ears to good points and just goes "LA LA I'M RIGHT YOU JUST WHINE TO MODS CUZ YOU DON'T LIKE EET."

It's piss-poor debate form and is a very irritating trait to all it concerns.

[Sabre]

Wow, thanks for actually responding this time. I was beginning to think you'd ignore me forever 

I never said that everyone was in love, and I never said that pain and suffering were not present even in the face of love. Just like a poor, starving person with a Charleyhorse can be happy, two people in love can still be in love regardless of the present pain and suffering.

I never said you were 'exempt' from love; I was just saying that certain personality traits would restrict your chances at romance. I'm sure you do have a true love somewhere - she would possibly be cynical like you, as well as skeptical regarding issues like souls or love. Maybe she would be a complete foil to you - loving to a fault, a devout Christian, etc. My generalizations are only speculative examples, and I apologize if I made them come across as otherwise. I'll try better next time to be more clear. On a side note, I'm not questioning the validity of the statement, but the whole "only works in a reality based system" thing made me lol. Reality based, as opposed to fantasy? But I digress.

True, I didn't mention the positives. You also have to keep in mind that I don't know any of your positives - 'strong' and 'good-looking' are not only subjective, but I kind of have to know you beyond your lizard avatar to really confirm these traits. As for honest and smart, I can agree that you're honest, and you're reasonably intelligent as well. Still, even the most positive people might just be put off by negativity. And although I already did present a possible scenario in which you found your soulmate and got with her, I really have no need to address your point about the 1 true love system, as I don't agree with that system myself.

My position is far from logically weak - you found a single possible fallacy, which only existed due to my being unclear. And how did it prove your point? If I followed "one true love," then yeah, it would have. Instead, it backed up my point quite well. Love is what you make of it - if you are willing to believe it is possible and work to make it exist, it will possibly come to you. If you instead decide to be cynical regarding love, and believe it will probably never appear, then the odds will be slanted against you. I never once claimed that everyone will find love - just that they had the chance to, even in the worst possible situation.

Well, I ignore you because I felt you were a sock puppet designed for trolling. I still think that is the case, but you said some smart things in another thread, so for that you win brownie points.

I will address you post as a whole. I assumed from the way you were talking you were on the pro soul mate side, despite being against the soulmate idea. I wasn't addressing you when it came to logically weak, I was talking more about rob. I just put your insults down to trolling, which I mentioned. My goal the last few posts is to try and pin down the argument. He mentions the soulmate theory but discounts it, then brings it up again. I don't understand where it's coming from.

As who will love me. Odds are that it will be a foil as you say. Terms like opposates attract are supported by ideas like Transaction Analasis. The idea that an athoritive, logic person will get on with a so called free spirit. At pressent my current best friend is a flaming homosexual who is unbalievably bouncy. read annoiying. But he leads to fun times so I'm good. I should also point out I have no problem with religion, ghosts, ufos, ect. My issue is when they spill over into real life which brings me back to this thread.

See, I have no problem at all if you believe in one true love. The idea is fantastic. I want it to be real as well. The problem is it creeps in, and starts effecting peoples advice and expectations. I'm not going to date ...that woman from tomb raider the movie. If I dismiss all women who don't fit that type of appearence I won't get anywhere. People say "Be yourself" but, as you pointed out, "myself" is an unlikable knobhead with an ego problem. This is/was the issue I have. Anyway, back on topic.

..still single.

[Milkyway64]

Anyway, back on topic.

..still single.

Wanna change that? :P

[Kid_Cortet]

well....im heading out tonight.....as many on my FB may have read.....even though I am heading out to have just a good time...gonna see if I can't get any fish to bite >:3

[Sabre]

heh. I'm going out to, unfortunatly I doubt board game night will have any fish at all. Who knows, maybe the local beach vollyball team (in a land locked city) will pop in and care for a game of Battlestar Gallactica.