Love Life Talk

[Steve]

True, but then magic apes could cause gravity to stop tomorrow. We won't know for sure until it happens. It probley won't, and if you tell me that I'm not going to believe you until I see it. Show me in RL and I will believe, that's all it takes.

But no. It's never happened, not once from what I can tell. Either the scenario above or they are manipulitive bitches. Once I see it happen I will be open to the idea. Testmonials are no good because, as I said way back that they always believe they are exception, but they never are. It's the same crap every, single, time.

Both things happen, but it's also bad to assume that everything has to go completely wrong. Bad things happen as well as good things happen. That's life.

My sister on the other hand, has never been in a relationship where the guy roughed her up physically

>_> I think it's the other way around...she would end up beating the crap out of people instead of being the one beat up.

[Sabre]

Sabre, the only possible evidence you can have for this kind of situation IS anecdotal evidence! There's no possible way you can see and monitor every single relationship at any given time. Like me? I've never been in a relationship like that, and I would seriously lose any respect for myself if that DID happen.

My sister on the other hand, has never been in a relationship where the guy roughed her up physically, but she's had quite a bit of emotional abuse. Saying that every single person will encounter and then proceed to date one of those kinds of guys is like saying that every woman will have children. It just doesn't always happen that way in every single case. Sometimes, yeah, it does happen, but that's not the expected outcome.

I can't monitor every one, true, but I have yet to see one that doesn't go the way I discribed. And while I have experienced this, simply having yet another person say "It happen this way" isn't compelling enough to make me change my mind, which is exactly what you are doing. Plus, what's to say you are not doing the whole 'Im an exception' bit I talked about that they all do?

So, let's say, for say for sake of argument I have seen 10 relationships. All fell into that mould. Surely then if it is as 50/50 as you say, then it would be extremely unlucky on my part. Then what if we increase that exposure. 20, 30, 100 relationships and what if still not 1 managed to escape the mould, what then?

Both things happen, but it's also bad to assume that everything has to go completely wrong.

No, it's called realistic.

[Xortberg]

I can't monitor every one, true, but I have yet to see one that doesn't go the way I discribed. And while I have experienced this, simply having yet another person say "It happen this way" isn't compelling enough to make me change my mind, which is exactly what you are doing. Plus, what's to say you are not doing the whole 'Im an exception' bit I talked about that they all do?

So, let's say, for say for sake of argument I have seen 10 relationships. All fell into that mould. Surely then if it is as 50/50 as you say, then it would be extremely unlucky on my part. Then what if we increase that exposure. 20, 30, 100 relationships and what if still not 1 managed to escape the mould, what then?

I love when we get a new member in the Love Life topic. You're guaranteed to come in and be all pessimistic and then refuse to see logic.

If someone else just saying "It happens this way" isn't enough to change your mind, what makes you think it's all you'd have to do to change our minds? You've given anecdotal evidence of bad relationships. Sissi has given anecdotal evidence of good relationships. There is absolutely no difference in your arguments, yet you claim yours is superior. That's what we call 'hypocrisy.' And claiming that they 'all' say they're an exception is a bit ballsy there, eh? I mean, stating it as an all-inclusive fact and all.

No one ever said it was 50/50. All that has been said is that you're totally stereotype happy and that it doesn't happen the way you say it does nearly as much as you say it does. And if your example happened as you said it did, what I would do is simple: I would present numerous examples of happy, unabusive relationships.

No, it's called realistic.

No, it's called pessimistic.

[Steve]

No, it's called realistic.

Seriously Sabre, I might live, as you would say, in the whole QQ magic and Disney world, but it's at least better than living in "everything must suck because I say so"

You are taking your own opinion as if it was the absolute truth, you said you have seen this stuff happen, what about people that have seen something else? would they be considered liars? This is not math or calculus, you can't predefine answers just because you think you have everything figured out.

Yes, there're abusive people, yes, there're bitches out there, but assuming that it's either one or the other all the time is seriously BS. Relationships are not perfect, and they will never be, because reality is not a freaking disney movie. But saying that the negative will rule above the positive all the time is wrong.

Finally, your whole surroundings and/or your personal experiences = not the whole world.

[Sabre]

True. I offer up my experience. It's not clouded by stupid things like saving face or what should be. My experience is what happens in real life, to real people, no crap or rose tinted shades in the way. I'm sharing that experience with someone, if they decide to use it or not is up to them.

So, if she wants, she can follow my advice, follow your idealistic crap, or neither.

Finally, my whole surroundings and/or personal experiences = the whole world so far for me.

[Xortberg]

True. I offer up my experience. It's not clouded by stupid things like saving face or what should be. My experience is what happens in real life, to real people, no crap or rose tinted shades in the way. I'm sharing that experience with someone, if they decide to use it or not is up to them.

So, if she wants, she can follow my advice, follow your idealistic crap, or neither.

Maybe people would take your arguments more seriously if you entertained the possibility that you might just be wrong. A little humility will go a long way in making people like you more. In any case, you say you see the world unclouded by stupid things, but did you ever think that maybe - just MAYBE - it's this sort of pessimistic attitude is exactly why you have bad experiences? You certainly don't see the world through rose colored glasses, but you don't see it unclouded either. All your pessimism is more like puke colored glasses. You completely refuse to possibly see the good in life, so you never notice it when it does happen.

Finally, my whole surroundings and/or personal experiences = the whole world so far for me.

Oh hey, he ninja edited to take my advice before I gave it and entertain the small possibility of being wrong! Too bad you still sound arrogant and sure of your correctness. You still just sound like a cocky Negative Nancy to me.

[Steve]

Finally, my whole surroundings and/or personal experiences = the whole world so far for me.

Exactly, your world.

While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to give "advices" , you are basically stating that she's better not trying.

And seriously, idealistic crap? come on dude. So far, you are using "logic" on everything you say here, then I guess the only way I can defend my statements is with logic too. So far, you have 3 peeps telling you "well, from my own experience, relationships are good and bad" which overcomes your "nop, everything must and will fail". So by logic, 3>1, since you are taking experiences as proven facts. You also said people could be exaggerating, how are we sure that you are not exaggerating as well?

If you want to think that you own the absolute truth, go for it, like you said, it's your world.

Christmas. Christmasssss. GAH. What would be a good present for a boyfriend? D| I really want to draw something, but that'd never be good enough;;;

Then draw him something  , if that's what you really wanna do.

[Sabre]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

I don't claim to know absolute truth, and yes, I could be lying, or wrong, but unlike you I have clearly said many time that all it takes is 1 RL case and I will be convinced. What would it take for you to admit you were wrong?

[Steve]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

I don't claim to know absolute truth, and yes, I could be lying, or wrong, but unlike you I have clearly said many time that all it takes is 1 RL case and I will be convinced. What would it take for you to admit you were wrong?

Until the divorce rate hits 100%, until my own relationship suffers from abusive or manipulation behavior, and until the world ceases to care about relationships because your ideas are right. My whole issue with you right now is that you think there's a 100% negative rate in relationships. I don't claim that there's a 100% positive rate, and I would go as far as to say it's 70-30, with 70 being the negative.

For me to be convinced that you are right, I would need to see all the relationships around "my surroundings" failing as you say.

[Sabre]

I'm not saying that there is a 100% failure rate. That would be dumb. What I am saying is that expecting the right person is crap if you are not attracted to the popular gits. Unfortunatly those popular gits are also gits.

[Steve]

I'm not saying that there is a 100% failure rate. That would be dumb. What I am saying is that expecting the right person is crap if you are not attracted to the popular gits. Unfortunatly those popular gits are also gits.

Now that's different. Sadly, there are a lot of stereotypes out there, which teenagers mostly follow. If a shallow person joins with a shallow person, you can only expect epic failure.

[Sabre]

See, now you are getting it. The final part is that most people are shallow. eg. She claims not to like the idiots who act like gangsters, and she will say she wants a nice/smart/strong/sesitive/whatever guy, but what they claim and what they do are 2 totally different things. If all the guys are mostly idiot gangsters, she will, in my experience, end up with one of those very same guys and through the power of cognitive disonance say that he is an exception. Do you see what I'm getting at yet?

[Steve]

See, now you are getting it. The final part is that most people are shallow. eg. She claims not to like the idiots who act like gangsters, and she will say she wants a nice/smart/strong/sesitive/whatever guy, but what they claim and what they do are 2 totally different things. If all the guys are mostly idiot gangsters, she will, in my experience, end up with one of those very same guys and through the power of cognitive disonance say that he is an exception. Do you see what I'm getting at yet?

Through experience people learn, or at least, they should. It all depends on the person, however, throwing conclusions when you don't really know a person is simply biased. However, I do agree with you in something, most people, at some point, are shallows. Then again, key word being most, not all.

There're always people that never learn and end up doing the same mistakes over and over.

[Sabre]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Thu'um]

I desided to skip the posts on this page.

Um , hate to admit it sabre but you might have been right. I'm not sure if emily is going out with any one. 

[Sarita]

Christmas. Christmasssss. GAH. What would be a good present for a boyfriend? D| I really want to draw something, but that'd never be good enough;;;

I'm painting something for Steve. I can say that because he has no idea what I'm painting.

We usually agree on presents, though, usually never specifics. Our official gift to each other are promise rings. I'm giving him extra stuff because I want to. :)

[Fira-Astrali]

Our official gift to each other are promise rings.

Awwwww ^^

[Arashikage]

I just decimated my chances with Molly because I'm a fucking idiot.  I was trying too hard.  I just wanted her to know how I felt, and I posted a few things from quizzes on Facebook.  They were things like, "What’s on your mind right now? Molly [last name]" And on a social interview question "What do you like most about Molly [last name]?  Her smile."  And just today I received this text message: "Kyle, you're really sweet, and I still want to be friends with you.  But you're starting to creep both me and my parents out."  I don't know what to do now....

[Sapphire]

And just today I received this text message: "Kyle, you're really sweet, and I still want to be friends with you.  But you're starting to creep both me and my parents out."

That's like a 3rd degree burn XD

[Arashikage]

There's nothing funny about it...

[fox1235]

Well even though I have a crush on one girl, I'll take any girls that ask me out.

The only thing is that not many people know that I'm single(or straight, yes some people thought that I wasn't)

Any ideas on who to... I don't know what call it, "get my name out there"  :?

[Thu'um]

Well even though I have a crush on one girl, I'll take any girls that ask me out.

The only thing is that not many people know that I'm single(or straight, yes some people thought that I wasn't)

Any ideas on who to... I don't know what call it, "get my name out there" 

I go to a rather small school, and i got no advice.

That's like a 3rd degree burn XD

thats harsh.

[Matrilwood]

There're always people that never learn and end up doing the same mistakes over and over.

Like my cousin who is back with her X-Boy Friend, the one who tried to kill her. To give her the benefit of the doubt she's not stupid, she's just as mentally unstable as he is.

I practically recruited my new GF. I sent a message looking for a Mate who would also make a good alpha. So far everything's gone well, although she does get distracted very easy, and I mean VERY easy. (She also tends to be more interested in something I can't mention here more than anything else, you know what I'm talking about) She's a loose cannon but I don't want to let her down simply because she may not lead to a long term relationship (Which would be counterproductive at best). I've had my heart broken before, so I don't want to do that to someone else. I'm evil, but I'm not THAT evil.

Also just so you know, the reason I sent out a message was because there is minimal knowledge about dating in my family that doesn't involve dragon-style i.e. kidnapping a princess and holding her in your castle against her will, which is looked down upon these days for some reason.

[Sabre]

I don't understand what you are saying.

[Matrilwood]

Apart from being a sociopath, I seriously doubt you've had a Girl-Friend (Or Boy-Friend what-ever your into) let alone a painful break-up so your argument in mute.

Trust me kid, once you go down that path you'll wish you hadn't.