Dermot Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 As we know, Star Fox canon is always a moving target. It's been rebooted once already (and may soon be rebooted yet again), and they keep retconning a lot of things.I know from experience (and from the experience of other old fans especially) how frustrating it can be when they erase characters or make enormous alterations to ensemble chemistry, etc.If you could reimagine the Star Fox universe, storyline and characters from scratch, how would you? Even if you could make radical changes of your own, like (and none of these are necessarily mine) making James McCloud a woman (Jacqueline McCloud?), or changing character species (Peppy as a badger?), or turning the Lylat System into a high fantasy continent on one planet (where Corneria, Titania, etc. are countries instead of planets), or rewriting Katt so that Miyu is her middle name, or completely erasing characters or plot devices from ever having existed, or even adding additional definition to details or character backgrounds that are canonically vague, or what have you.Please feel free to frame your independent ideas as you see fit. Likewise, give respect to the independent ideas others might have that conflict with your own. No Fandom Heresy. :3 That said, go nuts now.I'm not sure I'll actually participate or read. I just wanted to invoke some discussion. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julius Quasar Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Include Fara Phoenix as a canon character, disavow Command and all associated with it (except for Marcus, maybe...).Bring back Fay and Miyu, and [maybe] add my FC's, Todd McCloud and Lola Foxglove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRL Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Command is a spin-off; fun for thosewho like it, not canon for those who donot like it (spin-offs are not canon at all,anyways ).°Bring back Miyu & Fay.°Put more effort in character development.°Maybe add Xeiper (one of my bad guys custom characters, he is sort of a 'Evil Greater Hyperian') °Andross can make an epic appearance, but after Star Fox beats him this time he is 'finally' defeated. His character should be developed, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vy'drach Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Perhaps making the wars and invasions seem more.... bad. For SF64 on Corneria, all you saw were ships flying around the buildings, and the robots knocking a few over, not any really terrible happenings. People need to be affected by the wars, houses destroyed, lives lost, families broken up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 My version would be a serious sci fi universe. With established tech and consistent continuity. The goal would be to get rid of the lighter elements and give each section it's desired tone. 4eg. The apparoid war would be played for horror such as the flood or the thing. The more campy aspects such as oikany would be removed or made serious.The one exception is Andross would be depicted as a sympathetic villain and the anti science message would be further toned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fox Runner Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 The ideas I'd like to put in would probably require a reboot, but that happens sometimes.I'd like the game to take on a more serious tone, but don't gut it of it's comedic value, that's one of the reasons I like Star Fox. Make the characters more three dimensional, by making them deal with their own personal demons along with the fight at hand, but don't give them an FML view on their lives. Really show them coping with the battle at hand by making the fighting a bit grittier, but not going Gears of War on us.I would like to give more details on Krystal's past, but not make it the central plotpoint, the game's not about her. It would be her dealing with the demons of her past as her subplot of the story. For Fox, go deeper into the conflict between him and Andross beyond the 'you killed my father' sort of thing. Reintroduce the story of his mother Vixy from the SNES comic, as Andross was in love with her, and accidentally killed her while trying to kill James. I'd like to see Fara reintroduced, but keep her as an old flame of Fox's. (I like the Krystal/Fox pairing, but love Fara's character.)For Andross, keep the idea that he was a brilliant scientist that did great things for the benefit of Corneria, but went nuts. Show that science is not evil, but can do terrible things if used in the wrong hands. As for fighting him at the end, I'd like to dump the disembodied head and hands fight, though I think that is awesome beyond belief, it wouldn't fit with what I have in mind. I think it would be cooler if he were to lose himself in one of his experiments and mutate after completely diving off the deep end in a mad attempt to kill Fox and the team, I know that cliche is used in tons of movies and games, but it would be cool.For what Andross has in mind for Corneria, go with a Resident Evil style of bio-warfare (Minus the gruesome deaths and dismemberment) with viruses affecting the population (adding to the psychological effect) and geneticaly engineered monsters serving as the bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticQuery Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I'd make it a much darker and grittier environment. Just like Vydrach said, make the invasions and attacks seem realistic and as devastating as they would be in real life combat. Have more on-foot combat (done right), re-introduce some characters (Fara, Miyu, Fay) and make sure that Command doesn't have a chance to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 I have well-developed extended universe ideas, which I've actually developed for more than half my life. That's more than 15 years, folks.I don't want to elaborate too deeply into the details, but basically it's based on SNES Star Fox and its comic. I was angry that Star Fox 64 was a reboot and I couldn't accept it at first, but then realized that many of its characters and new worlds were perfectly compatible. And my concept completely excludes the storylines of Adventures, Assault and Command, but it includes Panther and most of the new allied characters introduced in Command (such as Lucy and Amanda). There is no Krystal and no Sauria, and the storyline after the Lylat War would be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime 1-1 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I would like to see a more mercenary-like Starfox storyline. No specific good and bad guys, some intrigue, and showing that the Starfox team isn't as squeaky clean as they were in previous installments. Still "good", just not so... angelic. To be honest, I'd like to see something like Area 88: The team as being a close-knit group of tough, battle-hardened mercenaries.I don't mind which characters are used. For the most part, all the characters are fairly balanced and original as they are. I'd like to see more of the background characters like Bill and Katt, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarFoxfan-FUR_ever Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Yeah, you make a good point there Showtime. If I remember correctly, wasn't Bill a long time friend of Fox before James even died? I find it odd that Bill has only showed up once in a blue moon....And as for , I would like to see the games give us a deeper analysis of who Katt is. Honestly, by completely ignoring the comics altogether, one could say that Falco is right in stating that Katt just annoys him all the time for no reason.Develop characters. That would be a huge help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Everyone knows where I stand on Falco and Katt. ?? :3 They've known each other since they were quite young, and Katt's like a little sister to Falco. Katt has had a longtime crush on Falco, but he can never requite those feelings.I should note that, even though "Farewell, Beloved Falco" English scanlation is mostly correct, it does have a lot of inaccuracies and woolseyisms my Japanese friends pointed out. With one of their help, I'd really like to rescanlate it someday, and also document some translation notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyIN Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Big bang theory comes and kills everyone. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 I realized that the Star Fox can be split into a fragile canon tree. Branches of the tree can be considered either dead ends or unfinished ends, and branches can influence each other (like how Star Fox 64 paid special thanks to Benimaru Itoh), but...Star Fox has just spawned so many! Star FoxStar Fox comicStar Fox 2(reboot) Star Fox 64Super Smash Bros.Super Smash Bros. MeleeFarewell, Beloved FalcoStar Fox AdventuresStar Fox AssaultStar Fox CommandSuper Smash Bros. Brawlnine different endings [*](remake) Star Fox 64 3DS It's only reasonable to crave a consistent story. But what we've been given with Star Fox isn't a universe - it's a massive pileup of contradictory writers. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRL Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Star FoxStar Fox comicStar Fox 2(reboot) Star Fox 64Super Smash Bros.Super Smash Bros. MeleeFarewell, Beloved FalcoStar Fox AdventuresStar Fox AssaultStar Fox CommandSuper Smash Bros. Brawlnine different endings [*](remake) Star Fox 64 3DS Nice list!A good way of seeingwhat affects what. I realized that the Star Fox can be split into a fragile canon tree. Branches of the tree can be considered either dead ends or unfinished ends, and branches can influence each other (like how Star Fox 64 paid special thanks to Benimaru Itoh), but...Star Fox has just spawned so many! Imagine being a fan since 1993 and wanting to pull your hair out as you saw them reboot, and then constantly retcon and discanonize right and left. This all is part of what can make a fanon reimagining so palatable (and sometimes even preferable). It's only reasonable to crave a consistent story. But what we've been given with Star Fox isn't a universe - it's a massive pileup of contradictory writers. I have to agree, althrough I do like someretcons, can not they KEEP something G00D,being G00D?Many games... and then...... Command! *Shuders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Nice list!A good way of seeingwhat affects what. I have to agree, althrough I do like someretcons, can not they KEEP something G00D,being G00D?Many games... and then...... Command! *Shuders* Command isn't a completely unsalvageable waste. Lucy's character contribution to the ensemble cast may still be a very good idea. :3 Amanda may have some potential as well. But I have no idea what to do with Dash...there is potential (a member of Andross's family who is not a jerk), but...his character would have to be crafted really well. So far, I've heard fans liken him to Wesley Crusher, which may be a very bad sign. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kursed Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Include Fara Phoenix as a canon character, disavow Command and all associated with it (except for Marcus, maybe...).Bring back Fay and Miyu, and [maybe] add my FC's, Todd McCloud and Lola Foxglove. aside from Lola and Todd yeah (Although those characters aren't a bad idea but if they add Todd they gotta add Tigress :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyIN Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 aside from Lola and Todd yeah (Although those characters aren't a bad idea but if they add Todd they gotta add Tigress Or do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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