Do you believe Fox has legit reasons to be in love with Krystal?

[Kursed]

:When your not acting like a scoundrel

:'Scoundrel... I like the sound of that....

:Stop that.

:Stop what?

:Stop that..my hands are dirty

:My hands are dirty too what you afraid of

:Afraid?

:Your Trembling.

:I'm not trembling *giggling a bit*

..... etc yeah i think it fits

[Samantha Weltzin]

As legit as Han and Leia.

I love you!

...What? You d...*Gets frozen in carbonite.*

[Kursed]

Whose luke then because Krystal also fit's as luke skywalker with the powers and magic....

peppy must be obi-wan or perhaps Senator Organa.

[Ris Grestar]

*coughofftopiccough* =P

[EazyIN]

You and me both, good sir.

I hear you EazyIN. Sly 2 is my favorite of the trilogy.

Same. contessa sucks

*coughofftopiccough* =P

Aren't you going off topic by telling us WE'RE going off topic? 

[Mr. Krystal]

I love you!

...What? You d...*Gets frozen in carbonite.*

Fox would be more likely to stammer and be generally embarrassed, what with his underdeveloped social sensitivities toward the opposite sex after becoming an orphan and being raised in the academy.

[CrypticQuery]

Fox would be more likely to stammer and be generally embarrassed, what with his underdeveloped social sensitivities toward the opposite sex after becoming an orphan and being raised in the academy.

....That.......That's deep! .  Good point too

["User"]

Fox would be more likely to stammer and be generally embarrassed, what with his underdeveloped social sensitivities toward the opposite sex after becoming an orphan and being raised in the academy.

See, I was much the same way except for the orphan/academy part...................when I was in grade 7 and 8 and had very few friends.  Fox is what....in his 20's?  :oops:

[Dublinthefox]

Fox is what....in his 20's?

Late 20's. :P

[Robert Monroe]

YES.  They share common ties that bind, dead parents, being one of a kind, being of the vulpine varieties, both have explored and like Sauria, both are of good morals and like to help others...

Dead parents is a reason for romantic attraction now?

Being one of a kind? Remember, you are absolutely unique, just like everyone else. This hardly is strong support for romantic feelings. Big deal if they both explored Sauria, again, this is just a random event they both did, and offers no strong bond between the two as characters. And what does it matter if they're both vulpines? Ever heard of a interracial relationship? Katt loves Falco, after all. Morals are subjective, and Fox and Krystal's morals are terrible vague, not to mention seemingly contradict in Adventures, with Krystal more interested in the liberation of Sauria, and Fox in it for the money. (Though this in and of itself contradicts Fox's origins as a traditional Japanese hero but whatever).

I mostly agree with User on this. Fox has some dopey infatuaction with Kystal because she's got nice boobs, and Krystal may or may not be actually in love him Fox, or maybe she's just infatuated as well. There is good POTENTIAL for them to make a reasonable couple, but all of its untapped. As it stands Fox is a cardboard hero pining over a cardboard dame, having only things in common that are literary tropes and common feats of fancy.

[Fluxy]

Well, Julius is trying to say those similarities might draw them a bit closer (which stuff like that in real life happens a lot), and that is always a possibility.

My view on it is that two yeas passed after adventures, and that was a lot of time. There could have been things not mentioned. Like assault, I chose to believe something was going on, just Nintendo was being... Nintendo, and didn't mention it so it could try to bring the ratings up by focusing more on gameplay. (Even though the gameplay could have been better in my eyes.) So my answer, Yes. Two years off screen time between the two of them can lead to many things, even if Nintendo doesn't mention it.

[Mr. Krystal]

Dead parents is a reason for romantic attraction now?

Could be. Certainly helps a relationship to be able to relate or understand major traumatic events in another's life.

Fox and Krystal's morals are terrible vague, not to mention seemingly contradict in Adventures, with Krystal more interested in the liberation of Sauria, and Fox in it for the money. (Though this in and of itself contradicts Fox's origins as a traditional Japanese hero but whatever).

What? Krystal responded to a distress signal. She was on the planet for maybe 5 hours prior to the start of the game. She got herself trapped shortly after that. At most, she criticized a dictator. That's a far cry from being a liberator of a planet. Fox, though technically in it for the money, has a heart-o-gold. Other than to make an on-foot game, why didn't Fox just order the Great Fox to shoot down General Scale's ship from orbit? Fox became interested in the plight of the Saurians over time, as with a lot of heroes. When he first met the queen, he was very "look, how do I fix this problem? I'll fix it and be on my way." Then, through the innocence of Tricky, had his conscious strings pulled to take care of the queen more personally (the mushrooms). After this, and with the addition of Krystal, he became more personally involved with the salvation of Sauria's people, not just the planet, as you can see in his discussions with Scales (the righteous fury).

Also, there's this unused plotpoint:

http://krystalarchive.com/audio/adventuresplotpoints/

Tricky: You did it, Fox! You saved Dinosaur Planet.

Fox: Don’t get too excited Tricky. We haven’t dealt with General Scales yet.

Slippy: Fox! Fox! Where are you going? You’ve completed the mission so let’s go home.

Peppy: He’s right, Fox. We don’t need the extra bonus. I can finally retire with what we’ve got.

Fox: It’s not the bonus or even General Scales that I’m worried about.

Peppy: Krystal!

Tricky: Krystal!

Peppy: Ha! It’s always the girls that get him.

Fox: You wouldn’t want her to die would you?

Fox: Look guys, I promised I’d save her.

Fox: So I’m going to the walled city to find the final Krazoa Spirit.

I believe that Fox is, though infatuated, truly a good guy at heart who wants to protect people. This includes Krystal. It's only family history and skills that allow him to sometimes charge money for these behaviors.

I mostly agree with User on this. Fox has some dopey infatuaction with Kystal because she's got nice boobs, and Krystal may or may not be actually in love him Fox, or maybe she's just infatuated as well. There is good POTENTIAL for them to make a reasonable couple, but all of its untapped. As it stands Fox is a cardboard hero pining over a cardboard dame, having only things in common that are literary tropes and common feats of fancy.

All dreaming aside, when was the last time Nintendo created a story that didn't use common literary tropes? I can't think of one, except maybe the Mother-Child relationship Samus temporarily had with a baby Metroid back on the SNES. Though that was certainly not the first occurrence of it, it is not a common one. Nintendo is not in the business of creating deep, unique storytelling. They are in the business of making deep, innovative gameplay, something Star Fox has been admittedly lacking in lately.

[Robert Monroe]

Could be. Certainly helps a relationship to be able to relate or understand major traumatic events in another's life.

This is true, but its a far cry to build a romantic relationship off of it. It would have to develop through earlier stages of one getting to know the other, which is something we have not seen between Fox and Krystal. Even the most cliche of SNES RPGs at least had the hero and lead chick get to know each other.

What? Krystal responded to a distress signal. She was on the planet for maybe 5 hours prior to the start of the game. She got herself trapped shortly after that. At most, she criticized a dictator. That's a far cry from being a liberator of a planet. Fox, though technically in it for the money, has a heart-o-gold. Other than to make an on-foot game, why didn't Fox just order the Great Fox to shoot down General Scale's ship from orbit? Fox became interested in the plight of the Saurians over time, as with a lot of heroes. When he first met the queen, he was very "look, how do I fix this problem? I'll fix it and be on my way." Then, through the innocence of Tricky, had his conscious strings pulled to take care of the queen more personally (the mushrooms). After this, and with the addition of Krystal, he became more personally involved with the salvation of Sauria's people, not just the planet, as you can see in his discussions with Scales (the righteous fury).

I interperted Krystal's anger towards Scales as resolve to help overthrow him. She had spoken with Kyte beforehand and learned the situation on Sauria, and I'm -pretty- sure if she didn't get deus ex machina'd into a damsel in distress, she would have been fighting to save Sauria.

I know Fox has a heart of gold, which is why I said his personality in Adventures contradicts his character in basically every other game hes in. Fox wasn't allowed to shoop da woop at Scales because Pepper was afraid that'd totally blow up the planet. And he never actually met Scales in person until Cloudrunner Fortress and so probably had no idea where the galleon could be... although an Arwing vs Galleon fight would have been cool. Fox did become more interested in the personal stakes of Sauria.... but his mind was still mostly in it for the money. (Ooohhh, I'm not paid enough for this! Ok, ok, what do we do?).

And dropped things are just that, dropped, and don't count.

All dreaming aside, when was the last time Nintendo created a story that didn't use common literary tropes? I can't think of one, except maybe the Mother-Child relationship Samus temporarily had with a baby Metroid back on the SNES. Though that was certainly not the first occurrence of it, it is not a common one. Nintendo is not in the business of creating deep, unique storytelling. They are in the business of making deep, innovative gameplay, something Star Fox has been admittedly lacking in lately.

There's nothing wrong with trope-spamming. Hell, most of the great productions of our time basically just use archetypes for their main characters. The problem isn't the tropes, the problem is thats ALL Fox and Krystal have between them. Their personalities are nonexistant, they are JUST tropes. Again, even the most stock and cliche of SNES RPGs had character development between lovers, cliche as it may have been, but Fox and Krystal don't even get that much dignity. They just get "oh both our parents are dead and we totally helped save a planet and we're both 'good' people we should totally love each other", and thats it. And Nintendo has proven they can write excellent stories with games like Earthbound and Fire Emblem, but this is beyond the point. I don't mind Fox and Krystal being cliche. Hell, the whole SERIES is cliche. I don't even mind them being a pairing. I just want them to have something between each other that ISN'T just a literary trope.

And Starfox has been lacking in gameplay because they've been too focused on all this bullshit crappy writing that we happen to be debating over at this very moment  :trollface:

[Thu'um]

wow! don't forget that they are in love though. for one reason or another. You can love somebody for just about any reason. For fox i have no doubt it might have been physical attraction but if you battle a dictator and his whole army just to save this person they are probably going to means they will be worth something to you and in command it states that they had loved each other.  and while on sauria Krystal states that the place was very important to them.

[Samantha Weltzin]

wow! don't forget that they are in love though. for one reason or another. You can love somebody for just about any reason. For fox i have no doubt it might have been physical attraction but if you battle a dictator and his whole army just to save this person they are probably going to means they will be worth something to you and in command it states that they had loved each other.  and while on sauria Krystal states that the place was very important to them.

Actually, in Adventures he got the Krazoa spirits because their power was required to make the spellstones work their magic and pull the land back together. Saving Krystal was just an added bonus, not the primary reason.

[Robert Monroe]

Actually, in Adventures he got the Krazoa spirits because their power was required to make the spellstones work their magic and pull the land back together. Saving Krystal was just an added bonus, not the primary reason.

This. The only game Fox and Krystal were together as a pair was Command, or rather, some endings of Command, as well as the in-between part of Assault and Command.

[Thu'um]

Actually, in Adventures he got the Krazoa spirits because their power was required to make the spellstones work their magic and pull the land back together. Saving Krystal was just an added bonus, not the primary reason.

[Robert Monroe]

but he didn't know this intill after the four spell stones were gathered. and he started collecting the spirts right after the first spell stone, no?

Yes, and he did that to save her not because he loved (he didn't even know who she WAS), but because he was told she was going to die, and Fox being the hero that he is, can't let that happen.

however in the beginning of command it stated that krystal and fox had fallen in love. including the events previous to command

See:

This. The only game Fox and Krystal were together as a pair was Command, or rather, some endings of Command, as well as the in-between part of Assault and Command.

It happened off-camera, after Assault, before Command, and by the time Command starts, its already over.

[Thu'um]

and how do you no this wasn't going on during command when falco says on saruia. " hey this is where you too first met isn't it" and krystal respondeds  " yes it is very important to the both of us"

[Robert Monroe]

and how do you no this wasn't going on during command when falco says on saruia. " hey this is where you too first met isn't it" and krystal respondeds  " yes it is very important to the both of us"

Sauria... isn't in Command, I beleive, and it says so in the GAMES OPENING that Fox and Krystal had already broke up when the game starts. If you meant Assaut, "very special" is an incredibly vague statement, and can imply any number of things, considering its where Fox met Krystal, who has become a trusted ally and friend. It is not necessarily romantic in the least.

[Thu'um]

i am talking about the level in assult. slippy was in the dinsour plant mission why wasn't it "Special" for him

[Robert Monroe]

i am talking about the level in assult. slippy was in the dinsour plant mission why wasn't it "Special" for him

Fox didn't meet Slippy on Sauria either. And all Slippy did was give useless hints.

[rainfyre66]

Back OT....no.

[Thu'um]

Fox didn't meet Slippy on Sauria either. And all Slippy did was give useless hints.

yes but slippy met krystal there and this is were fox and falco reunited and it was not specil to them!

[Kursed]

are you hinting that Fox loves Falco or something???  For a couple it shouldn't matter about Falco girlfriend comes first..