Why do you not like Krystal?

[Guest DRL]

Duh, this is kind of pointless.

I am not going to be a freaking

furry anymore, and that is all.

I never knew it would cause this

drama storm, so apologies

to the admins and mods.

I just wanted to make that clear:

I am not a furry anymore.

Now, no more drama is needed on

this. I hate this stupid furry stuff,

and I DO NOT want to be attracted

to a half-animal-half-human thing.

That is all, move on.

Everyone has a fetish of some sort. It's just a sexual attraction to something that has nothing to do with reproduction.

Do you (assuming you are male) like breasts? If so, you have a fetish. Feet? Fetish. Basically an attraction to anything but something that may result in a baby is a fetish.

Yeah, some are more extreme than others, but if there's nothing harmful about them, there's nothing wrong with them either. The harm that furries cause is because they are human, not because of their fetish. A pedophile or sadist, however, has the potential to cause great harm and therefore should probably receive therapy of some sort.

While it's not perfect, I think the best way to tolerate things is through the Harm Principle, described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle

Maybe I'm just defensive, being a furry myself as well as something more sinister but equally harmless unless practiced. Either way, I find that so long as people can separate fantasy from reality, there's no reason to call other people "sick" or hate them for something so superficial as a fetish.

And yes, you -can- "fix" stuff like this, but it's a miswiring in the brain and the odds of doing it yourself are fairly low. Takes a lot of discipline, and the best way you can "fix" it is to stop thinking about it at all, as much as you can. You might have to distance yourself from everything furry, including this site, if dropping it is really your goal. I know it's hard, but so was going vegetarian, I bet.

Also, the problem is, I am not attracted

to humans at all, yet I am attracted

to a freakish image of a half-human-animal

thing.

Exept my family eats meat regulary.

It was not hard. Simply told my mother

not to give me that anymore, and fine from here.

So, regardless of furries all around, I do not

need to be one.

[Samantha Weltzin]

Man, you must not be a furry if you call -this- drama.

This is -nothing- compared to, say, the uproar about Allan or the eternal struggle over cub porn. This discussion didn't even ruffle any feathers (except perhaps yours, DRL), so I don't think I could call it even "The Little Leagues."

[Guest DRL]

Man, you must not be a furry if you call -this- drama.

Then I am on the right track.

This is -nothing- compared to, say, the uproar about Allan or the eternal struggle over cub porn. This discussion didn't even ruffle any feathers (except perhaps yours, DRL), so I don't think I could call it even "The Little Leagues."

What? O_o

[Milkyway64]

Man, you must not be a furry if you call -this- drama.

This is -nothing- compared to, say, the uproar about Allan or the eternal struggle over cub porn. This discussion didn't even ruffle any feathers, so I don't think I could call it even "The Little Leagues."

Lolyeah. This is nothing at all.

Also, way to miss the entire point of Sam's post there, DRL. Also way to totally fly off the handle and start talking like furries ripped your soul from you and murdered your dog. It did absolutely nothing except serve as an involuntary fetish, whether you liked it or not. You apparently did and then stopped upon thinking about other people's reactions, and then still continued to like it while you try to get rid of it to questionable effect.

What I'm trying to say is, why the big deal? Why are you so worked up over it that, even WITHOUT me provoking you, you have the need to constantly post about how much of a nonfur you are now and how much you're leaving? It doesn't add up to the actions of someone who is truly gone or going.

[Samantha Weltzin]

What?

Get a good virus scanner or run your computer on Linux, then go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and look those two topics up. You'll understand just how dramatic furries can get.

I suggest not going to the website if you're running Windows and don't have an effective virus scanner. Crap tends to pop up a -lot- when you enter there. I also suggest you don't go if you don't want your eyes to bleed from some of the images on the site. There's really gross/creepy stuff shown all over the place.

[Guest DRL]

Get a good virus scanner or run your computer on Linux, then go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and look those two topics up. You'll understand just how dramatic furries can get.

I suggest not going to the website if you're running Windows and don't have an effective virus scanner. Crap tends to pop up a -lot- when you enter there. I also suggest you don't go if you don't want your eyes to bleed from some of the images on the site. There's really gross/creepy stuff shown all over the place.

Been there, and Uncyclopedia.

Both places stink.

What I'm trying to say is, why the big deal? Why are you so worked up over it that, even WITHOUT me provoking you, you have the need to constantly post about how much of a nonfur you are now and how much you're leaving? It doesn't add up to the actions of someone who is truly gone or going.

LOOK, Mr. Furry, I WAS LEAVING

first due to a national-level conflict

with my ISP, and then due to the

acts of my foolish brother. It was

never 'voluntary'.

SECOND, sure, feats, and fetishes,

everyone can have them. Fine. But

when you are attracted to a fictional

half-animal thing, then you have a

problem. Worse, real, human beings

do not attract me at all.

[Milkyway64]

Been there, and Uncyclopedia.

Both places stink.

LOOK, Mr. Furry, I WAS LEAVING

first due to a national-level conflict

with my ISP, and then due to the

acts of my foolish brother. It was

never 'voluntary'.

SECOND, sure, feats, and fetishes,

everyone can have them. Fine. But

when you are attracted to a fictional

half-animal thing, then you have a

problem. Worse, real, human beings

do not attract me at all.

What does this first paragraph even mean? What does your ISP have to do with your decision to stop being a furry?

Second, wat. Skipping over the first point, you have no attraction to humans? Um, at all? Then what are you working toward by giving up being a furry, asexualism?

Rewinding, quite bold of you to state that considering porn stars and commonly lusted after movie stars are in many senses as fake. They play characters that do not exist, and we've never met them personally. We've just observed them doing their scripted acts on camera/in pictures.

[Samantha Weltzin]

SECOND, sure, feats, and fetishes,

everyone can have them. Fine. But

when you are attracted to a fictional

half-animal thing, then you have a

problem. Worse, real, human beings

do not attract me at all.

The point is that you don't have a problem unless you yourself think you do. You obviously think you have a problem, so I wish you luck in fixing it. However, being furry itself is not a problem. It's unusual, yes, but not "bad" by any means. Even if it's to the exclusion of attraction to human beings, that's only bad if you yourself see it as bad. I have the same issue, but not dating anyone has made my life a lot simpler and more financially successful. I see it as a benefit. You may not, and that's fine too, but it's not "good" or "bad" by itself.

It's all about what the person encountering it thinks of it.

[Guest DRL]

What does this first paragraph even mean? What does your ISP have to do with your decision to stop being a furry?

Second, wat. Skipping over the first point, you have no attraction to humans? Um, at all? Then what are you working toward by giving up being a furry, asexualism?

Rewinding, quite bold of you to state that considering porn stars and commonly lusted after movie stars are in many senses as fake. They play characters that do not exist, and we've never met them personally. We've just observed them doing their scripted acts on camera/in pictures.

I do not watch porn. At all.

Second, no, I seem to be asexual

to humans, but not with these furry

things.

Third, yes, you mentioned that I said

I was leaving, and well, the ISP DOES

have to do with that. Not with this at all,

however.

The point is that you don't have a problem unless you yourself think you do. You obviously think you have a problem, so I wish you luck in fixing it. However, being furry itself is not a problem. It's unusual, yes, but not "bad" by any means. Even if it's to the exclusion of attraction to human beings, that's only bad if you yourself see it as bad. I have the same issue, but not dating anyone has made my life a lot simpler and more financially successful. I see it as a benefit. You may not, and that's fine too, but it's not "good" or "bad" by itself.

It's all about what the person encountering it thinks of it.

Yes, but I do not find humans

attractive at all. Regardless of gender.

Asexuality, sure, it is rare, but not bad.

Furry, sure, at it's core seems fine, but

when one is attracted to half-animal things

and not at all to humans, then THERE IS

a problem.

[Samantha Weltzin]

Yes, but I do not find humans

attractive at all. Regardless of gender.

Asexuality, sure, it is rare, but not bad.

Furry, sure, at it's core seems fine, but

when one is attracted to half-animal things

and not at all to humans, then THERE IS

a problem.

You have yet to explain what the problem is. I just gave an example where attraction to non-existent creatures but not to humans is a -good- thing, but you haven't yet told me why you find it to be so bad. Is it because you won't have children? Is it because you would like to date and perhaps marry later on?

People always seem to think those are such great goals, but I don't personally find them to be worth as much as society seems to think they're worth.

Still, if you think that having kids, dating, and marrying are important, please say so so we can understand why you think being a furry is such a bad thing. Or if you have other reasons too, please explain.

[Milkyway64]

What Sam said. Again, what's the deal? We don't know, you won't explain, and you continue to just say it's bad, stupid ect for reasons we only just now learned are very exclusive to you.

[Guest DRL]

You have yet to explain what the problem is. I just gave an example where attraction to non-existent creatures but not to humans is a -good- thing, but you haven't yet told me why you find it to be so bad. Is it because you won't have children? Is it because you would like to date and perhaps marry later on?

People always seem to think those are such great goals, but I don't personally find them to be worth as much as society seems to think they're worth.

Still, if you think that having kids, dating, and marrying are important, please say so so we can understand why you think being a furry is such a bad thing. Or if you have other reasons too, please explain.

*Facepalm*

Simple. I do not like to live lies.

No, I do not want to have children.

Did I forgot to mention I was asexual

before? I do not think so.

The thing is simple: How can one be

attracted to an illusion, a fantasy,

a lie, yet not to the real world? Sure, sure,

we all like to dream. But when it comes to

reality, there is only one.

[Milkyway64]

*Facepalm*

Simple. I do not like to live lies.

No, I do not want to have children.

Did I forgot to mention I was asexual

before? I do not think so.

The thing is simple: How can one be

attracted to an illusion, a fantasy,

a lie, yet not to the real world? Sure, sure,

we all like to dream. But when it comes to

reality, there is only one.

Because imagination is srs bsns as is all other forms of stimulating thought.

May as well stop reading, watching movies, and playing videogames (including StarFox, which you have testified to still liking) now, for they are lies and not worth having in reality.

Point is, there is nothing wrong with "fantasy" in any of it's forms in and of itself. Lighten up a little dawg, and take things as they are rather than going all emo about it.

You still answered nothing. You just repeated "It's nawt reeeallll!" and continued to on to say it made no difference anyway since being a furry, in your case, doesn't delusion or derail anything in your own romantic life.

[Samantha Weltzin]

*Facepalm*

Simple. I do not like to live lies.

No, I do not want to have children.

Did I forgot to mention I was asexual

before? I do not think so.

The thing is simple: How can one be

attracted to an illusion, a fantasy,

a lie, yet not to the real world? Sure, sure,

we all like to dream. But when it comes to

reality, there is only one.

Okay. Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Now I understand why you wouldn't want to be a furry.

We didn't have this information before, so it was hard to understand why you were so completely against the idea and why it was such a big deal to you. You can't just assume people think the same thoughts as you do: You actually have to explain why you believe what you believe in order for anyone to understand. If you don't, it just looks like you're insulting people, even if it wasn't what you meant to do.

There's no need to facepalm or act as if we're idiots. We simply didn't know what was going on in your head, and since you don't like lies then you'd better not believe in telepathy either.

[Guest DRL]

Because imagination is srs bsns as is all other forms of stimulating thought.

May as well stop reading, watching movies, and playing videogames (including StarFox, which you have testified to still liking) now, for they are lies and not worth having in reality.

Point is, there is nothing wrong with "fantasy" in any of it's forms in and of itself. Lighten up a little dawg, and take things as they are rather than going all emo about it.

You still answered nothing. You just repeated "It's nawt reeeallll!" and continued to on to say it made no difference anyway since being a furry, in your case, doesn't delusion or derail anything in your own romantic life.

Listen, I do not want to be a freak.

Being asexual is enought.

Now, I do not need to be freaking

attracted to freaking half-animal things!

Okay. Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Now I understand why you wouldn't want to be a furry.

We didn't have this information before, so it was hard to understand why you were so completely against the idea and why it was such a big deal to you. You can't just assume people think the same thoughts as you do: You actually have to explain why you believe what you believe in order for anyone to understand. If you don't, it just looks like you're insulting people, even if it wasn't what you meant to do.

There's no need to facepalm or act as if we're idiots. We simply didn't know what was going on in your head, and since you don't like lies then you'd better not believe in telepathy either.

...it is ok, I think.

Listen, I do not know how you

view the world as, but to me,

there is no point in hoping, wishing,

and/or believing in things that are

not possible. An anthro charaxter is

not possible, and thus this conflicts

with my logic: Why believe in it, then?

Another of the reasons as to why I do

not have a religion. I do not want to

blindly 'like' or 'believe' something - I

have to actually be able to touch, see,

smell - in other words, find proof - that

it is either possible or exists in order to

'believe' in it. I do not know why, or how,

but that is how my logical mind works.

Unfortunately (or Fortunately) it challenges

this furry thing to left and right, and all that

comes out is that it is fake. Thus, I can not

be a furry, for the fact that anthros are not

real.

BUT, I am attracted to them. This directly

enters in conflict with my logical mind.

Result = Belief vs. Fact. Belief has no proof.

Fact does. Simple as that, fact wins. As hard

as it might be, I will have to get rid of this furry.

[Milkyway64]

If you have to "believe" in anthros you're doin it wrong. I'm a very locig driven man too and I'm a furry. There's no conflict because I don't make it a stonking science.

This discussion is going nowhere now. You're trapped in a situation that is only a big deal because you make it so. Have fun being miserable and stuff, because you make it sound like there is nothing for you.

[Guest DRL]

If you have to "believe" in anthros you're doin it wrong. I'm a very locig driven man too and I'm a furry. There's no conflict because I don't make it a stonking science.

This discussion is going nowhere now. You're trapped in a situation that is only a big deal because you make it so. Have fun being miserable and stuff, because you make it sound like there is nothing for you.

I never looked at anthros

'artistically' if you mean it that way.

And yeah, this is too much drama for

me.

And I still think furries are freaks.

[Samantha Weltzin]

Listen, I do not want to be a freak.

Being asexual is enought.

Now, I do not need to be freaking

attracted to freaking half-animal things!...it is ok, I think.

Listen, I do not know how you

view the world as, but to me,

there is no point in hoping, wishing,

and/or believing in things that are

not possible. An anthro charaxter is

not possible, and thus this conflicts

with my logic: Why believe in it, then?

Another of the reasons as to why I do

not have a religion. I do not want to

blindly 'like' or 'believe' something - I

have to actually be able to touch, see,

smell - in other words, find proof - that

it is either possible or exists in order to

'believe' in it. I do not know why, or how,

but that is how my logical mind works.

Unfortunately (or Fortunately) it challenges

this furry thing to left and right, and all that

comes out is that it is fake. Thus, I can not

be a furry, for the fact that anthros are not

real.

BUT, I am attracted to them. This directly

enters in conflict with my logical mind.

Result = Belief vs. Fact. Belief has no proof.

Fact does. Simple as that, fact wins. As hard

as it might be, I will have to get rid of this furry.

I likewise do not have a religion, for similar reasons. I also do not believe that furries are real. Still, I have no problem having an attraction to them just as I have no problem feeling emotional about a book or movie. Sure it's not real, but that shouldn't stop you from taking some satisfaction from it.

EDIT: Okay. I'm done now too. :P

["User"]

Furthermore, from the tone of your words it sounds like you're making the fandom out to be in a negative light of sorts.

You want me to stop talking

about it? Fine. It is just the only

thing I have to talk about, other

than school. In fact, not even school,

because our Winter Break has just

begun today.

FREAKING FURRIES AND THEIR STUBBORNESS!!!

Yet, you continue to discuss them and how they relate to yourself with complete animosity for another 3 pages.  I'm going to agree with Milky and Sam on a lot of their reasoning.  Furry =/= bad/evil/freakish/wrong or whatever the hell you want to negativity describe the fandom as.  Heck, I'm used to poking fun at my own fandom from time to time but the level of obsession I see in this thread about them from you is just....unreal.  You really need to not let people get you all riled up when they have different views on the matter.

That all being said, it looks like this matter has all died down for now.  So back on topic people....or else.  :wink:

[Kursed]

Yet, you continue to discuss them and how they relate to yourself with complete animosity for another 3 pages.  I'm going to agree with Milky and Sam on a lot of their reasoning.  Furry =/= bad/evil/freakish/wrong or whatever the hell you want to negativity describe the fandom as.  Heck, I'm used to poking fun at my own fandom from time to time but the level of obsession I see in this thread about them from you is just....unreal.  You really need to not let people get you all riled up when they have different views on the matter.

That all being said, it looks like this matter has all died down for now.  So back on topic people....or else. 

MUWHHAHA  I telepathicly contacted user no just kidding... Coincidental I know.

[DarthDelgado]

Damn this got so off topic. :lol:

[Kid_Cortet]

I think Krystal was put in because they didn't want to mess with much of the original programing of Dinosaur Planet that was supposed to come out for the 64

[B4D-W0LF]

i'm liking this topic and i love krystal

[Guest DRL]

That all being said, it looks like this matter has all died down for now.  So back on topic people....or else. 

Sure...

But I again became

a furry because I could not

resist it... Well I suppose it

is just as right to let it be.

The vegi stuff was a lot easier

because it came by-itself...

Or kind of.

[B4D-W0LF]

(Krystal fans beware)