Why anthros should be left to fantasy

[Mr. Fox13]

Regarding the first pic: DNA modification FAIL. And photoshop WIN.

Regarding the second and third: This is what I see actual anthros as, a definite %70-%30 mix of animal and human, (Corresponding order), and great find, Mr. Krystal! Saving to my Ipod...

I strongly disagree with the proportions issue. The real issue would be holding the human brain and changing the spinal attachment to be vertical, rather than the horizontal of all animals besides primates. You would most likely have a human-like skull with a muzzle. The ears of most anthros attach closer to where human ears are, and thus would not cause an issue. Otherwise you would just move the holes in the skull to where you needed them.

Here's a rough illustration:

IDK.....I think instead of having a plastic surgery type operation, we should go with Genetics. True, I'll admit this theory is....well a little out there, BUT we've already done stuff like for example: glow-in-the-dark fish and genetically modified plants. It's really only a matter of time, IMO until they start working with humans. Who knows, maybe a couple years from now, you can go down to your local geneticist and get turned into a full-blown anthro! :D

[LoneWolf]

IDK.....I think instead of having a plastic surgery type operation, we should go with Genetics. True, I'll admit this theory is....well a little out there, BUT we've already done stuff like for example: glow-in-the-dark fish and genetically modified plants. It's really only a matter of time, IMO until they start working with humans. Who knows, maybe a couple years from now, you can go down to your local geneticist and get turned into a full-blown anthro!

Even despite my furry-dom, I would still rather keep my human form, because, even though we are human, are we not animals? We're just the most intelligent species, and thus rule over the others. So why turn yourself into a cross-breed when you can be a pure-bred human animal?

Besides, can you imagine the extreme pain that would come with the modification? Your face would literally rearrange itself while you watch! I can't even begin to imagine how much it would hurt...

[CrypticQuery]

We're just the most intelligent species, and thus rule over the others.

That's kinda only what "we" as humans believe, in actuality, we're possibly one of the most destructive species on the planet .  We've killed so many forests, trees, species, and polluted.  If that's intelligent, then I'd rather be dumb as rocks :lol:

[LoneWolf]

That's kinda only what "we" as humans believe, in actuality, we're possibly one of the most destructive species on the planet .  We've killed so many forests, trees, species, and polluted.  If that's intelligent, then I'd rather be dumb as rocks

I'm not saying we aren't incredibly destructive and selfish, just that we are intelligent. If foxes or wolves or any other animal (But I would prefer foxes or wolves  ) had our same intelligence, it's not like they would have done any better ruling the world.

OFF TOPIC: Anyone else getting Alien Swarm free off of Steam? I need somebody to Co-Op with! :friends:

[Mr. Fox13]

Even despite my furry-dom, I would still rather keep my human form, because, even though we are human, are we not animals? We're just the most intelligent species, and thus rule over the others. So why turn yourself into a cross-breed when you can be a pure-bred human animal?

Besides, can you imagine the extreme pain that would come with the modification? Your face would literally rearrange itself while you watch! I can't even begin to imagine how much it would hurt...

I wouldn't mind the pain for that.

That's kinda only what "we" as humans believe, in actuality, we're possibly one of the most destructive species on the planet .  We've killed so many forests, trees, species, and polluted.  If that's intelligent, then I'd rather be dumb as rocks

What about the latest catastrophe in the gulf? Is there no end to the destruction? Wow the way things are going now, I can't even begin to imagine what things will look like 50 years from now... :oops:

[LoneWolf]

Ugh...I absolutely hate BP, they just created the biggest man made disaster for the past few years. And it would have only cost around $5,000 for a remote shut off button

IMBECILES! ALL OF THEM!

[CrypticQuery]

I'm not saying we aren't incredibly destructive and selfish, just that we are intelligent. If foxes or wolves or any other animal (But I would prefer foxes or wolves  ) had our same intelligence, it's not like they would have done any better ruling the world.

Well, we'll never know for sure 

I wouldn't mind the pain for that.

What about the latest catastrophe in the gulf? Is there no end to the destruction? Wow the way things are going now, I can't even begin to imagine what things will look like 50 years from now...

Yeah, I wouldn't mind the pain either, and I hope our species hasn't wiped themselves out in the next 50 years

Don't get me started on the oil spills, first Exxon-Valdez gets off free, do a shitty clean up job, and still make over 48 million dollars a year.  BP's probably just the f*cking same. 

[Mr. Fox13]

Well, we'll never know for sure 

Yeah, I wouldn't mind the pain either, and I hope our species hasn't wiped themselves out in the next 50 years

Don't get me started on the oil spills, first Exxon-Valdez gets off free, do a shitty clean up job, and still make over 48 million dollars a year.  BP's probably just the f*cking same.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how this plays out.

I don't know what it's like were you live, but were I'm at, people got all these dang oil wells and they've just ruined the land here. They get salt water out of the wells and store it in tanks; but if they ever spill it....it just totally ruins that spot, nothing will grow there. Plus when the wind gets really strong, it picks up the salt; and if that gets in your eyes...let's just say you better have a bottle of water with you.

[Asper Sarnoff]

The recent issues about what happened in the gulf of Mexico isn't really what this thread is about. For the matter, it had been closed last time I checked. By a Norwegian company actually. Leave it to us to clean up when the rest of the world messes up.

["User"]

Don't get me started on the oil spills, first Exxon-Valdez gets off free, do a shitty clean up job, and still make over 48 million dollars a year.  BP's probably just the f*cking same.

Have you seen BP's share price recently?  It's down AT LEAST 40% since the disaster and they are even selling off a lot of their equipment to get the funds needed to pay bills otherwise they'll go bankrupt.  They are owing more then 10 billion dollars already and the final tally will not be pretty - not to mention a slew of criminal charges more then likely, now THAT kills investor confidence.  I assure you that what happened with that Exxon disaster in Alaska WON'T happen with BP.

Anyways, back on topic peeps.

[CrypticQuery]

Have you seen BP's share price recently?  It's down AT LEAST 40% since the disaster and they are even selling off a lot of their equipment to get the funds needed to pay bills otherwise they'll go bankrupt.  They are owing more then 10 billion dollars already and the final tally will not be pretty - not to mention a slew of criminal charges more then likely, now THAT kills investor confidence.  I assure you that what happened with that Exxon disaster in Alaska WON'T happen with BP.

YES! THOSE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA PAY!

Anyways, back on topic peeps.

Yes sir! *salutes* (We need a saluting emoticon )

[LoneWolf]

Well, I regretfully have to say that the concept of human-anthro surgery would be IMPOSSIBLE. Physics deny the possibility of it, and don't even start me on the ethical/moral issues

But as once said by a video game character (FF Crisis Core) "The best dreams are the unattainable ones"

Now, this doesn't affect my furry-dom at all. I'm still an avid furry, and will be for the foreseeable future. Anthros are fictional characters, but that doesn't mean that we can't like them.

I'm perfectly happy with my human body, and would not trade it for anything else. God created us in his image, and thus the human animal is a beautiful creature.

Sorry for any crushed dreams :lol:

[Mr. Krystal]

Even though we are human, are we not animals?

I would argue no. We appear to have non-material parts, unlike animals. The human mind is the most complicated, measurable thing in the universe by far, and there is some doubt as to its existence purely in the physical plane.

YES! THOSE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA PAY!

Because making a company go bankrupt over something that might yet not even be their fault will make the oil go away? The world is far too interested in "getting even" lately, even though they don't realize they're harming themselves in the process.

Don't get me started on the oil spills, first Exxon-Valdez gets off free, do a shitty clean up job, and still make over 48 million dollars a year.  BP's probably just the f*cking same. 

I have my doubts about the current estimates of the size of this oil spill. However, the Ixtoc I, back in the late 70's, spilled almost as much as BP's well (perhaps more once we know the exact numbers on the Deepwater Horizon). How much money did they pay the state of Texas for the cost of cleanup efforts? $0. They were a state-run oil company from Mexico and invoked sovereign immunity. Also, the Exxon-Valdez oil spill isn't even on the list of large oil spills. Get some perspective people. Environmental disasters are ALWAYS blown out of proportion.

On topic, I am planning to do some surgeries in the far future, but not for cosmetics such as these. I would get cybernetic enhancements. Pain is nothing.

[Sabre]

I would argue no. We appear to have non-material parts, unlike animals. The human mind is the most complicated, measurable thing in the universe by far, and there is some doubt as to its existence purely in the physical plane.

Because making a company go bankrupt over something that might yet not even be their fault will make the oil go away? The world is far too interested in "getting even" lately, even though they don't realize they're harming themselves in the process.

I have my doubts about the current estimates of the size of this oil spill. However, the Ixtoc I, back in the late 70's, spilled almost as much as BP's well (perhaps more once we know the exact numbers on the Deepwater Horizon). How much money did they pay the state of Texas for the cost of cleanup efforts? $0. They were a state-run oil company from Mexico and invoked sovereign immunity. Also, the Exxon-Valdez oil spill isn't even on the list of large oil spills. Get some perspective people. Environmental disasters are ALWAYS blown out of proportion.

On topic, I am planning to do some surgeries in the far future, but not for cosmetics such as these. I would get cybernetic enhancements. Pain is nothing.

From google

Animal:

a living organism characterized by voluntary movement

By that, then yes, we are. Some animals survive by being big, or dangerous, we survive by being smart and social.

[LoneWolf]

From google

Animal:

a living organism characterized by voluntary movement

By that, then yes, we are. Some animals survive by being big, or dangerous, we survive by being smart and social.

My point exactly. We, as humans, have a lot of things in common with animals, we have the same vital organs, we all have at least some fur (Hair is just a different type of fur), and we all have a set lifespan. Weather or not there is something extra-dimensional with us is up to you, but as a christian I believe so. We could not have evolved, the possibility is about as good as painting one atom in the universe red, then throwing them all in a blender and somehow randomly picking the red one out. Too many zeroes to write.

But, this topic isn't about evolution, it's about furry-dom and what not. So, as a furry, I say that, the reason we should continue to be furries, and not turned away from furry-dom because of the previous picture is that, because we are human, we just like to pretend! We can use our imaginations, we do it every day! I, personally, am happy with the body God gave me, and would rather not be an anthro, maybe, as Mr. Krystal said, some cybernetics, (Deus ex, anyone?) but no complete transformation surgery.

Regardless, anthros FTW  It's not that I dislike the concept of being one, it's just that I would feel that I was defying God if I turned myself into an anthro, or really, got any plastic surgery whatsoever. Besides, I'm a guy, so I don't really care about how I look, just that I meet the parameters of average. :cool:

[Kursed]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how this plays out.

I don't know what it's like were you live, but were I'm at, people got all these dang oil wells and they've just ruined the land here. They get salt water out of the wells and store it in tanks; but if they ever spill it....it just totally ruins that spot, nothing will grow there. Plus when the wind gets really strong, it picks up the salt; and if that gets in your eyes...let's just say you better have a bottle of water with you.

you guys need pine trees (they live in acidic soil)

[LoneWolf]

you guys need pine trees (they live in acidic soil)

You have a point... :D

[Sabre]

My point exactly. We, as humans, have a lot of things in common with animals, we have the same vital organs, we all have at least some fur (Hair is just a different type of fur), and we all have a set lifespan. Weather or not there is something extra-dimensional with us is up to you, but as a christian I believe so. We could not have evolved, the possibility is about as good as painting one atom in the universe red, then throwing them all in a blender and somehow randomly picking the red one out. Too many zeroes to write.

The problem there is that probability doesn't work backwards like that.

Perfect example. Let's say you shuffle a pack of cards and take 1. Whatever it is, let's say 3 of clubs, then there was a 1 in 64 chance of getting that card. Statisticly, if you work backwards, odds are you should have gotten any other card, but you didn't, you got 3 of clubs. You can do this again and again. The card you draw is the card you draw. However, whenever you work backwards, probability says you shouldn't have got that card.

Another example, the lottery. Every week the numbers come out with a 1 in 14 million chance of those being the numbers, but those are the numbers that came out. It was just as likely 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 came out, but if you do it backwards, it appears impossable.

I want to go off on a tangent of the law of big numbers, but it's not relivent.

[LoneWolf]

The problem there is that probability doesn't work backwards like that.

Perfect example. Let's say you shuffle a pack of cards and take 1. Whatever it is, let's say 3 of clubs, then there was a 1 in 64 chance of getting that card. Statisticly, if you work backwards, odds are you should have gotten any other card, but you didn't, you got 3 of clubs. You can do this again and again. The card you draw is the card you draw. However, whenever you work backwards, probability says you shouldn't have got that card.

Another example, the lottery. Every week the numbers come out with a 1 in 14 million chance of those being the numbers, but those are the numbers that came out. It was just as likely 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 came out, but if you do it backwards, it appears impossable.

I want to go off on a tangent of the law of big numbers, but it's not relivent.

Yeah, I had a major argument with another user on another thread on science vs. religion, but since this thread is not about that, and I don't want to argue about that anymore, because it is pointless, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, so let's not argue on that.

[Guest DRL]

Yeah, I had a major argument with another user on another thread on science vs. religion, but since this thread is not about that, and I don't want to argue about that anymore, because it is pointless, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, so let's not argue on that.

Was not that user... Me?

Okay, okay. Let's get religion out-of-this.

To be honest, these two 'beings' on the

image are UGLY. And UGLY with CAPTIALIZATION.

I do mean it. In fact, WHAT THE HYPER ARE THOSE THINGS?!

No idea. I wonder how they would look like if they were, say,

cats.

[LoneWolf]

Was not that user... Me?

Okay, okay. Let's get religion out-of-this.

To be honest, these two 'beings' on the

image are UGLY. And UGLY with CAPTIALIZATION.

I do mean it. In fact, WHAT THE HYPER ARE THOSE THINGS?!

No idea. I wonder how they would look like if they were, say,

cats.

Mutant rat anthros? :lol:

[CrypticQuery]

Mutant rat anthros?

They looked more like aardvark's or ant-eaters to me .  I'm with Mr. Krystal's pictures on this topic though .

[LoneWolf]

They looked more like aardvark's or ant-eaters to me .  I'm with Mr. Krystal's pictures on this topic though .

Ditto. Amazing photo-manipulation on those!

[Star Fox Runner]

They looked more like aardvark's or ant-eaters to me .  I'm with Mr. Krystal's pictures on this topic though .

I think they looked like aardvarks. Mr. K gave some pretty good pictures for this.

I would think that a real anthro might look either like those aardvark pictures, or like Mr. K's pictures. We just don't know because it hasn't happened.

[Guest krystal08]

don't try to guess what they'll look...just wait... time do everything...