who's side are you on?

[DoctorAllosaurus]

I shall accept this as a victory

A WINNER IS YOU!

[Falconman]

WAT??!! IM NOT DONE YET!!!

[Xortberg]

WAT??!! IM NOT DONE YET!!!

The only thing you've displayed thus far are an incredible amount of fanboyism, bias, and the fact that you are completely unwilling to look at the other side's argument, rather choosing to say the same thing you've said before only worded a little differently. I know I'm not the most objective judge for this, but so far I see me winning and you flailing about desperately trying to hold on to your fanboyish love of Bowser. I'm not saying you can't like him - honestly, I think he's about ten times cooler than Mario myself. Just realize when you've been beat here.

[Falconman]

The only thing you've displayed thus far are an incredible amount of fanboyism, bias, and the fact that you are completely unwilling to look at the other side's argument, rather choosing to say the same thing you've said before only worded a little differently. I know I'm not the most objective judge for this, but so far I see me winning and you flailing about desperately trying to hold on to your fanboyish love of Bowser. I'm not saying you can't like him - honestly, I think he's about ten times cooler than Mario myself. Just realize when you've been beat here.

hmmmm....you almost lost me but what im confused about is the part where u said im bing repetative idk where that comes from

[Xortberg]

Your arguments have just been the same repackaged thing over and over. Rather than taking your time, finding evidence, and trying and disprove my points, you're just frantically saying the same thing with slightly different wording.

[Falconman]

oh & wats "fanboyish"? i nvr got wat dat is

[Xortberg]

Come now, at least try to figure things out for yourself. You have Google, as well as your own brain. Break it down word by word, and if all else fails, search it up on Google. Doing things yourself helps you learn much better than just having everybody tell you.

[Falconman]

i found it. so on with our disscussion, mario is.....bowser is......what about u? dont u have any argument?

[Xortberg]

i found it. so on with our disscussion, mario is.....bowser is......what about u? dont u have any argument?

I've already spelled my argument out quite clearly, several times. In fact, this entire thing has been my argument. I don't quite understand how you missed it, seeing as you took part in it.

[Falconman]

so you have nothing else??

[Xortberg]

so you have nothing else??

Ha. You're the one who needs more. I'm on the 'defensive' side, if you will. I started by claiming Mario was better, which you disputed. It's now up to you to present new points against me, seeing as you're the one challenging the statement here.

[Falconman]

uhhhhh.....?.......ok....so u think marios better huh?(witch is da point of our argument,im stupid) well like u said eirlyr bowser is 10X cooler than mario. is that right? so y do u take his side?

[Xortberg]

uhhhhh.....?.......ok....so u think marios better huh?(witch is da point of our argument,im stupid) well like u said eirlyr bowser is 10X cooler than mario. is that right? so y do u take his side?

Simple, and I'll illustrate why with a somewhat related example: Super Smash Bros Brawl. In that game, both Captain Falcon and Ganondorf are absolutely horrible, being in the bottom tier for competitive play. I semi-main both of them. Why? Because they're cool.

I admit I like Bowser more than I like Mario, but there is no denying that Mario kicks Bowser's ass in basically every category not related to appearance. Yes, Bowser is cooler in my opinion, but fact states that Mario would beat Bowser any day.

[Falconman]

ok we got that outa the way & btw in ssbb bowser PWNS!!! ive dont a cpu bowser lvl 9 & a cpu mario lvl 9 & bowser won (best 2 outa 3)

[Xortberg]

ok we got that outa the way & btw in ssbb bowser PWNS!!! ive dont a cpu bowser lvl 9 & a cpu mario lvl 9 & bowser won (best 2 outa 3)

Judging a character by CPU is not how it goes. In competitive play between pros, the tier list actually puts Mario slightly above Bowser. Of course, that doesn't mean anything, since Brawl is lol when determining anything at all about characters in canon anyway, so it's a moot point.

Any more feeble arguments for Bowser, or might you finally realize that the only reason you think he's better is because you're a blind fanboy?

[Falconman]

blind? wat da hek? no im not blind!& mah arguments r not feeble!!

[Xortberg]

Your arguments are so incoherent and barely connected I'm surprised they can be called arguments at all. 'Feeble' is being generous here. Your entire argument seems to be based around persisting until the other side finally decides you're not worth the time then claiming you won. I'm not going to back down though, so instead I think I'll sum up the debate to this point, counting the key points from both sides.

First, the opening statements:

Mario. Let's look at the facts here.

Bowser is:

A giant, immensely strong firebreathing turtle with spikes on his shell and an army of minions, including but not limited to: Goombas, Koopas, wizards, Chain Chomps, Bullet Bill cannons out the ass, and several personal fleets of airships.

Mario is:

A fat Italian plumber who runs around eating shrooms, flowers, and leaves and he manages to single handedly slaughter Bowser's entire army, make it past his fleet, get through a castle filled to the brim with booby-traps, and recently, even chase this overgrown turtle through fucking space, all so he can rescue the princess. That's one guy I wouldn't want to go up against.

that is the biggest lie EVER!!!!! he always has help ALWAYS!!!!!!!!

At this point, I've made my opening points, and you disputed the fact that Mario single-handedly destroys Bowser's armies. I backed my points with examples easily supported by evidence, while you just called me a liar and vaguely challenged my argument. We'll score me for that one.

Xort - 1

falconman - 0

Next, I pointed out that the most help Mario ever gets is intel from Toads and what have you, and you pointed out several examples where he received help - most of which being intel, exactly as I said, and mentioning Fire Flowers, which I promptly pointed out don't count as help since they're weapons Mario finds. Score another for me.

Xort - 2

falconman - 0

Next, you mentioned Mario being unable to take Bowser in hand-to-hand combat. I pointed out how he does so with aplomb in Super Mario 64. Score for me again.

Xort - 3

falconman - 0

Next, you mention how the Luna in SMG helps Mario hit Bowser. I was unable to dispute this, as I don't remember much of the Bowser fights in those games. Score for you.

Xort - 3

falconman - 1

Next, you asked for examples of what help Bowser has, but said Koopas don't count because they suck. I'm tempted to take away your point right now for that, but I'll be fair. I, in return, pointed out how Koopas do count. I then proceeded to give several other examples of help Bowser has. Score for me.

Xort - 4

falconman - 1

Now, you say Mario can't 'kill' an enemy because all he does is jump on them and hit them with a hammer. I pointed out that doing either of these actions can make enemies cease to exist, therefore they are killed.

Xort - 5

falconman - 1

You also said to remove any advantage Mario has and then see who'd win, but that's a retarded premise, so we quickly set that straight. However, I still humored you and brought up SM64, where he takes Bowser by the tail and hurls him bodily through the air. I also introduced the idea that Mario's greatest strength is his adaptability in combat, which means that he will always be able to find a way to beat Bowser.

Xort - 6

falconman - 1

In response to me bringing up Mario's intelligence, you said it was unimportant. Milkyway and I both pointed out how intelligence is how one wins fights, Milky citing Dr. Breen on Gordon Freeman from Half-Life and me bringing up the human species in general.

Xort - 7

falconman - 1

In response to our points, you said:

so marios a smart alek

Which barely constitutes an argument. Once again, I feel like taking your point away for that, but I'll be fair.

Next you bring up how Mario is simply a plumber who's not smart enough to teach Peach how to fight, and brought up how Luigi is a wuss. You also say Bowser is a gullible reptile who will do anything to win. This almost sounds like an argument for Mario, so I see little point in replying, but I did anyway, mentioning how your arguments were basically invalid and completely unrelated to the main topic.

Xort - 8

falconman - 1

Next, you bring up the times that Bowser has beaten Mario, but say that nobody remembers them because all they do is pay attention to the final boss fight. Then you linked to the Cracked article. I mentioned how the final fight is all that matters in the grand scheme of things, and then I systematically destroyed the argument presented by the Cracked article (which, once again, I feel I should deduct your point due to you relying on the argument of another, but meh.) Two points for me; one for the 'final boss' argument, and one for the article. From that point on, this has degenerated into me pointing out how your debates are scattered and feeble and other rather unrelated discussion. As such, the final score (as I see it) is:

Xort - 10

falconman - 1

Granted, I'm sure an actual panel of judges would have scored this slightly differently, but my point here is that I have backed up my points with evidence as well as destroyed any counter-argument you have introduced. Your only points rely on you being blinded by fanboyism and, as is now evident by the summary, they are quite feeble.

[ballisticwaffles]

Okay, so you carry the two, subtract the four, add three... jesus your in debt up to your eyeballs...

and for the record, imma Bowser fan, Mario just doesnt look as aesthetically pleaseing, nor ass awesome as Bowser

[Falconman]

!!!Omg i kant believe i didnt say it eirlier!!

yeah mario kan kick bowsers butt & da only reason is cuz the game programers,ppl,watever they r, they MAKE bowser lose & they MAKE mario win so yes of course mario kan beat bowser any day but only because the game ppl made them

[Xortberg]

!!!Omg i kant believe i didnt say it eirlier!!

yeah mario kan kick bowsers butt & da only reason is cuz the game programers,ppl,watever they r, they MAKE bowser lose & they MAKE mario win so yes of course mario kan beat bowser any day but only because the game ppl made them

Two things here:

1. When arguing 'Who could beat who,' one generally doesn't consider the programming itself. It's like saying that Harry Potter only beats Voldemort because Rowling wants him to. Duh, but what leads to the victories? If it was a case of Deus ex Machina where Mario just randomly receives the ability to win from out of nowhere with no previous context, that might be a viable example, but every time he wins it's a direct result of his actions.

2. Even if we did decide to count the programmer's intentions, isn't that kind of all that matters? If the minds behind the game want Mario to be better than Bowser, they want him to be better than Bowser. They are essentially the gods of Marioverse, and so their word is law.

[Falconman]

Two things here:

1. When arguing 'Who could beat who,' one generally doesn't consider the programming itself. It's like saying that Harry Potter only beats Voldemort because Rowling wants him to. Duh, but what leads to the victories? If it was a case of Deus ex Machina where Mario just randomly receives the ability to win from out of nowhere with no previous context, that might be a viable example, but every time he wins it's a direct result of his actions.

2. Even if we did decide to count the programmer's intentions, isn't that kind of all that matters? If the minds behind the game want Mario to be better than Bowser, they want him to be better than Bowser. They are essentially the gods of Marioverse, and so their word is law.

wow u r da first person out of 10 ppl to counter dat

[Xortberg]

wow u r da first person out of 10 ppl to counter dat

I try.

[Falconman]

lol

[Geo Stelar]

I vote for the starman it owns

Oh wait, I think I already said Mario...

[Milkyway64]

I vote for the starman it owns

Oh wait, I think I already said Mario...

On this note, Bowser is an idiot.

Remember in Paper Mario, when he stole the Star Rod? The Star Rod that grants the world's wishes and thus makes the wielder god? Guess who totally ignored his power and still got trounced by Mario even with it.