Opinion on Barack Obama (USA Pres.)

[Kursed]

Ha, I saw that on a bumbersticker

really? i thought that was my orignal phrase oh well peronlY I think he's pretty bad at president i hear his vixe president has hostiroy  of Plaugerism.

[Robert Monroe]

What's your guys opinion on him? The 1st African American dude to become the USA pres.

I hate him.

He's not African, he's mulatto. 

Anyway, I don't really care for him as a politician. He's a cool guy and all, but he's too wishy-washy, too idealistic with not enough gronding, needs his teleprompter for everything, and has made a lot of choices I disagree with, like bailing outcar companies (hurfdurf), and his healthcare plan was rushed, poorly plotted out, and ill-executed for a nation of our size. He has good ideas, but he is terrible about putting them into action.

He'll just go down in history books as a flash in the pan, and as the first not-white President. The end.

It sucked but at least it's better then nothing.  Most every other developed nation on Earth has a far better (and in most cases, universal) health care plan.  I still have yet to hear one GOOD reason why someone would oppose universal health care (a RIGHT imo) for those who can't afford it.  This is America after all...the most powerful nation on Earth...come ON!

It's NOT a right, its a privelage. I'd rather get free housing, or free food (and I don't mean food stamps), before free medicine. Rights are not shiny things that let us live better lives handed to us on a silver platter, they are fundamentals of keeping the governement in check by the people. Food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and all that other jazz? Earn it is what I say. Human society got along just fine without health care, considering modern medicine is a recent notion that is not even 200 years old.

Now that all said, I do beleive America needs to FIX its healthcare, because it sucks, but tits to making it free and universal, because America is too damn big, too damn populated, and the commercial health care providers are too big to lose. At best we should instigate poverty clinics to take care of those who can't afford health care, but anyone who is at least middle class needs to stop whining and pay their damn bills.

This is very true honestly, the problem is the recession has been in the making for ages and only began with Bush's last year. I'm not excusing Obama thinking his stimulus package would work, because really? It hasn't. There are too many states that didn't spend it in the right way, (I was reading Wisconsin was one of the few states that did as it was told.)  and massive the bail out of the automotive industry was frankly daft. You can't spend in order to get out of a recession, it's an absolutely ludicrous idea. Both of my senators who are democrat did not approve of this. Specifically, Russ Feingold who has been especially tough on massive spending.

( He's a pretty interesting guy, fiscally conservative but socially liberal. He's also one of the few senators who reads what he signs before it goes into motion.  Even if you don't agree with him, you got to admit he's a type of person who isn't afraid to go bipartisan - we need more people like him instead of democrats and republicans on both sides who don't want to negotiate. He's also against Wall Street having such a large say in what goes on in politics and the U.S. as well. Pretty cool dude.  )

The Public Health option is something I do think America needs, but not anything like Obama's monstrosity he planned or the deformed idiocy that went through.  ( To be fair,  nobody else's plans were all that good either. ) It's going to have be something new that nobody has ever tried before, because the United States is so ridiculously massive in population. The closest way I can see it done is by it being regulated by the states and it being split into the districts of said states. However, this would be a high demand for fiscal responsibility - which a lot of the people in the United States lack. They want things immediately and now so they spend money they don't have. This is the issue we must overcome.

Pretty much this. Me and Tamara basically see eye to eye on every political issue (because we're awesome). Obama's plan was rushed, ill thought out, and irresponsible.

[Guest DRL]

It's NOT a right, its a privelage. I'd rather get free housing, or free food (and I don't mean food stamps), before free medicine

IT IS A RIGHT. Why? Because it is an Human Right.

Same to education. Nobody prohibits private health

care, but state health care MUST exist. Like state schools.

Second, you can have a house and food, but you

might still not afford [basic] medicines or health care.

This is why health care plans are great for middle-class

& everyone below. Same to state schools.

[Sarita]

And if he even DARES to try to attack Jerusalem, I'm openin a can of whoop-ass on that S.O.B.

No one's going to attack Jerusalem. It's in no way smart. They're allied with too many large scale powers, including us. You're making yourself sound pretty stupid, IMHO.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

He's not African, he's mulatto. 

Anyway, I don't really care for him as a politician. He's a cool guy and all, but he's too wishy-washy, too idealistic with not enough grounding, needs his teleprompter for everything, and has made a lot of choices I disagree with, like bailing outcar companies (hurfdurf), and his healthcare plan was rushed, poorly plotted out, and ill-executed for a nation of our size. He has good ideas, but he is terrible about putting them into action.

He'll just go down in history books as a flash in the pan, and as the first not-white President. The end.

It's NOT a right, its a privilege. I'd rather get free housing, or free food (and I don't mean food stamps), before free medicine. Rights are not shiny things that let us live better lives handed to us on a silver platter, they are fundamentals of keeping the government in check by the people. Food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and all that other jazz? Earn it is what I say. Human society got along just fine without health care, considering modern medicine is a recent notion that is not even 200 years old.

Now that all said, I do believe America needs to FIX its healthcare, because it sucks, but tits to making it free and universal, because America is too damn big, too damn populated, and the commercial health care providers are too big to lose. At best we should instigate poverty clinics to take care of those who can't afford health care, but anyone who is at least middle class needs to stop whining and pay their damn bills.

Pretty much this. Me and Tamara basically see eye to eye on every political issue (because we're awesome). Obama's plan was rushed, ill thought out, and irresponsible.

Yup.

[Kursed]

Nice video find Juilius. (by the way does Bs mean bumper sticker or the other thing?)

[Robert Monroe]

Nice video find Juilius. (by the way does Bs mean bumper sticker or the other thing?)

Pretty sure both. That's the joke, lulz.

[Kursed]

Pretty sure both. That's the joke, lulz.

I hv to agree there lol. :lol:

[Sapphire]

No one's going to attack Jerusalem. It's in no way smart. They're allied with too many large scale powers, including us. You're making yourself sound pretty stupid, IMHO.

I was just sayin

And he is a Muslim after all  :oops:

[DZComposer]

Okay, there is some serious right-wing e-mail lies going on in here. Before we start discussing opinions, lets get the facts right:

His full name is Barack Hussein Obama.

He is NOT supporting one world government. He has never said that in any speech nor has he had that written on his campaign platform. NO ONE with a seat in the US government is supporting that.

He is a Christian, a long-time member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, which generated its own controversy due to the not-so-PC rhetoric of its Pastor, Jeremiah Wright (and yet the same people who criticized him for sitting in that church still call him Muslim... What a failure of logic....). But even if he were Muslim, why the hell does it matter? Being of a particular religion is not a qualification for being president. The founding fathers were all about religious freedom, even for Islam (which they called "Mohammadism" in their writings).

He was born in Hawai'i. The state records are there and have been publicly released on multiple occasions by the Obama camp and the State of Hawai'i. But hey, we can't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, right?

Seriously, a couple of you need to learn about the concept of FUD and learn how to spot it. It's one thing to disagree with someone's politics but to start flinging around -isms without knowing what they mean and throwing around personal attacks is crossing the line, and will not be tolerated in the forum per the rules.

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Anyway, I think Obama is a lot like Bill Clinton in his governing style and positions. I feel that is unfortunate, as what we need in this time of crisis is an FDR, not a Bill Clinton. But, considering the current political climate, I feel he is doing OK. The republicans would call Eisenhower a damn socialist these days, and he was a pretty good Republican president.

He has gotten some things through that no recent president has, though. Healthcare reform (albeit largely toothless), financial reform that includes a consumer protection agency, all this despite a record number of filibusters in the senate.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Nice video find Juilius. (by the way does Bs mean bumper sticker or the other thing?)

Thanks, and yes it does.

Okay, there is some serious right-wing e-mail lies going on in here. Before we start discussing opinions, lets get the facts right:

His full name is Barack Hussein Obama.

He is NOT supporting one world government. He has never said that in any speech nor has he had that written on his campaign platform. NO ONE with a seat in the US government is supporting that.

He is a Christian, a long-time member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, which generated its own controversy due to the not-so-PC rhetoric of its Pastor, Jeremiah Wright (and yet the same people who criticized him for sitting in that church still call him Muslim... What a failure of logic....). But even if he were Muslim, why the hell does it matter? Being of a particular religion is not a qualification for being president. The founding fathers were all about religious freedom, even for Islam (which they called "Mohammadism" in their writings).

He was born in Hawai'i. The state records are there and have been publicly released on multiple occasions by the Obama camp and the State of Hawai'i. But hey, we can't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, right?

Seriously, a couple of you need to learn about the concept of FUD and learn how to spot it. It's one thing to disagree with someone's politics but to start flinging around -isms without knowing what they mean and throwing around personal attacks is crossing the line, and will not be tolerated in the forum per the rules.

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Anyway, I think Obama is a lot like Bill Clinton in his governing style and positions. I feel that is unfortunate, as what we need in this time of crisis is an FDR, not a Bill Clinton. But, considering the current political climate, I feel he is doing OK. The republicans would call Eisenhower a damn socialist these days, and he was a pretty good Republican president.

He has gotten some things through that no recent president has, though. Healthcare reform (albeit largely toothless), financial reform that includes a consumer protection agency, all this despite a record number of filibusters in the senate.

Well, Barack, like Bush, hell, like almost all politicians, is a puppet/scapegoat for the rich jerks...is he "a Manchurian Candidate for Al Quaida"?  No.  Is he the Anti-Christ?  No.  To me, he's a naiive, eternal optimist, young[er] politician, new to the politics game, who let himself get suckered by his fellow Dummy-crats oops, I mean Democrats  , into taking over the country at the worst possible time.  He thought he could fix things, but like the home buyers of pre-2008, he bit off more than he could chew without realizing it at first...

I still think he sucks as a President, as did G.W. Bush, and "Bubba" Clinton, but as I said before, those 3 will NEVER be as bad as Carter.  How could he give back Panama, De-Regulate the big industries, AND do away with the draft like that!?  Worst President ever.  Obama could NEVER be that awful, but he'll still be a 1 term president.

[DZComposer]

Carter didn't do nearly as much damage as Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton. He didn't believe in that trickle-down economics and so-called free trade that has left anyone who isn't making six-figures or more in a lot of deep shit right now. Economic policy works best from the bottom-up, not the top-down.

Also, if we would have listen to Carter on energy, we wouldn't be having the energy issues we're having right now.

I wouldn't call him a great president (deregulation is the main reason), but he was no disaster. If you want a disaster, look at W.

Also, about Panama, why the hell shouldn't the Panamanian people control their own territory? We don't need to be a colonial power. I feel the same way about Puerto Rico and other US territories. We should either make them a full state or let them have their own government, preferably the later.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Carter didn't do nearly as much damage as Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton. He didn't believe in that trickle-down economics and so-called free trade that has left anyone who isn't making six-figures or more in a lot of deep shit right now. Economic policy works best from the bottom-up, not the top-down.

I beg to differ, but to each his own.

I wouldn't call him a great president (deregulation is the main reason), but he was no disaster. If you want a disaster, look at W.

Yeah, W. screwed up really bad...heck, they compared to him playing his guitar during Hurricane Katrina to Nero playing the fiddle as Rome burned (though Hurricane Katrina wasn't caused by Bush)...but Carter can still pick the peanuts from my crap and eat 'em.

Also, about Panama, why the hell shouldn't the Panamanian people control their own territory? We don't need to be a colonial power. I feel the same way about Puerto Rico. We should either make them a full state or let them have their own government, preferably the later.

I dunno...I'm just an imperialist.  *straps on the spiked "Helmut"*

But then again, had we not given Panama their country back, there'd be no Norieaga, no tax haven for drug lords, no 1992 Panama raid which balanced our deficit when we forced Norieaga to nationalize that cash, then burned it all (it was US Dollars), which pulled us out of a huge financial hole.

[Kursed]

Carter didn't do nearly as much damage as Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton. He didn't believe in that trickle-down economics and so-called free trade that has left anyone who isn't making six-figures or more in a lot of deep shit right now. Economic policy works best from the bottom-up, not the top-down.

Also, if we would have listen to Carter on energy, we wouldn't be having the energy issues we're having right now.

I wouldn't call him a great president (deregulation is the main reason), but he was no disaster. If you want a disaster, look at W.

Also, about Panama, why the hell shouldn't the Panamanian people control their own territory? We don't need to be a colonial power. I feel the same way about Puerto Rico and other US territories. We should either make them a full state or let them have their own government, preferably the later.

Look at a former territory in indonesia theres one  county I strongly dissagree with their constitution .

[Sapphire]

Thanks, and yes it does.

Well, Barack, like Bush, hell, like almost all politicians, is a puppet/scapegoat for the rich jerks...is he "a Manchurian Candidate for Al Quaida"?  No.  Is he the Anti-Christ?  No.  To me, he's a naiive, eternal optimist, young[er] politician, new to the politics game, who let himself get suckered by his fellow Dummy-crats oops, I mean Democrats  , into taking over the country at the worst possible time.  He thought he could fix things, but like the home buyers of pre-2008, he bit off more than he could chew without realizing it at first...

I still think he sucks as a President, as did G.W. Bush, and "Bubba" Clinton, but as I said before, those 3 will NEVER be as bad as Carter.  How could he give back Panama, De-Regulate the big industries, AND do away with the draft like that!?  Worst President ever.  Obama could NEVER be that awful, but he'll still be a 1 term president.

I agree with you Julius.

No matter what his religion, race, etc. He is still probably the worst president since Clinton. Hell, he makes Clinton seem like he was good at his job.

["User"]

He is a Christian, a long-time member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago

United churches are some of the most liberal churches out there.  Not that that's relevant I just thought I'd throw that in.

He was born in Hawai'i. The state records are there and have been publicly released on multiple occasions by the Obama camp and the State of Hawai'i. But hey, we can't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, right?

Did they actually release his birth certificate though so other people could see it?  I believe that is what everyone was wanting to see, not any other type of proof.  People have been asking for it for months and he has either not put the "Question" to rest by presenting copies of it or have struck down legal challenges to his presidency by having them thrown out in court. I mean really, all you have to do is present a birth certificate...how hard is that?  He could have avoided all of this from the get go because that is what everyone wanted to see.  However I'm not completely sure why they didn't accept the other proof, I didn't look too much into the stories when they first came out back then.

Seriously, a couple of you need to learn about the concept of FUD and learn how to spot it. It's one thing to disagree with someone's politics but to start flinging around -isms without knowing what they mean and throwing around personal attacks is crossing the line, and will not be tolerated in the forum per the rules.

Indeed.  This goes both ways, hence why I strongly dislike conspiracy theories.

Anyway, I think Obama is a lot like Bill Clinton in his governing style and positions. I feel that is unfortunate, as what we need in this time of crisis is an FDR, not a Bill Clinton. But, considering the current political climate, I feel he is doing OK. The republicans would call Eisenhower a damn socialist these days, and he was a pretty good Republican president.

He has gotten some things through that no recent president has, though. Healthcare reform (albeit largely toothless), financial reform that includes a consumer protection agency, all this despite a record number of filibusters in the senate.

Agreed.

[Sapphire]

Seriously, a couple of you need to learn about the concept of FUD and learn how to spot it. It's one thing to disagree with someone's politics but to start flinging around -isms without knowing what they mean and throwing around personal attacks is crossing the line, and will not be tolerated in the forum per the rules.

DZ, everybody on this topic, I apologize for the wrong facts that I may have stated. The people I live around don't like Obama because he's black, the people I go to church with just say he's a bad president. I'm sorry if I offended anybody with the wrong facts I was told.

I still agree with Julius though

My feeling tword Obama is neutral  :|

[Kursed]

I don't really think Obama was prepared for this at all honeslty it seems like he was a  new recruirt rushed into being promoted simply because the "Army"(in this case democrats) needed a new General (Canidate)

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I agree with you Julius.

No matter what his religion, race, etc. He is still probably the worst president since Clinton. Hell, he makes Clinton seem like he was good at his job.

Thanks!

United churches are some of the most liberal churches out there.  Not that that's relevant I just thought I'd throw that in.

Yeah, they're...not...really...Christian, IMO.  They're popular with people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright.  Jeremiah Wright is a real asshole, IMO.

Did they actually release his birth certificate though so other people could see it?  I believe that is what everyone was wanting to see, not any other type of proof.  People have been asking for it for months and he has either not put the "Question" to rest by presenting copies of it or have struck down legal challenges to his presidency by having them thrown out in court. I mean really, all you have to do is present a birth certificate...how hard is that?  He could have avoided all of this from the get go because that is what everyone wanted to see.  However I'm not completely sure why they didn't accept the other proof, I didn't look too much into the stories when they first came out back then.

I know, huh?

I don't really think Obama was prepared for this at all honeslty it seems like he was a  new recruirt rushed into being promoted simply because the "Army"(in this case democrats) needed a new General (Canidate)

Yup!

To put is simply, Obama isn't cut out for this.  He only spent 2 years as a senator, and I even heard he once told someone prior to the '08 elections "I don't wanna run for President...I just want to be Mayor of Chicago."

My friends, regarding Obama, He's like dead driftwood, caught in a tide!

*says this into a microphone while eating a donut*

[Guest DRL]

Carter didn't do nearly as much damage as Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton. He didn't believe in that trickle-down economics and so-called free trade that has left anyone who isn't making six-figures or more in a lot of deep shit right now. Economic policy works best from the bottom-up, not the top-down.

Yeah, the worst, world-wide Imperialist

sucker was Ronald Reagan. That man embodies

the 'USA is the bully-thug policeman of the world'

pretty much perfectly.

Free Trade does not works, either. He was just the

stereotypical 'Sovite opposite'.

Also, about Panama, why the hell shouldn't the Panamanian people control their own territory? We don't need to be a colonial power. I feel the same way about Puerto Rico and other US territories. We should either make them a full state or let them have their own government, preferably the later.

Yeah, the Panama canal is called PANAMA CANAL

for a reason. It is part of Panama, not the of anyone

else, not of my country, not the Soviets, not the US.

I dunno...I'm just an imperialist.  *straps on the spiked "Helmut"*

Be careful of that. USA still

has the 'Thug of the World' title

among 'third-world' nations just

because of Imperialism. We live

in an age were most people like

bla,blah and blah. Sure, do anything

you what with YOUR country, but leave

others alone, for the most part. It is

unlikely a new World War will happen

anytime soon, so large military budgets

are an unnecesary extravagance.

Imperialism does not works. Sooner or

later someone will fight back. And when

it happens, the bite will be lethal.

[Robert Monroe]

Dammit, everyone came and answered all the bullshit before me.

Oh, wait here's something.

Yeah, they're...not...really...Christian, IMO.  They're popular with people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright.  Jeremiah Wright is a real asshole, IMO.

Christian means Christ-follower. All a church needs to qualify as Christian is to accept Jesus Christ as savior, technically. So yeah.

As for Carter and Reagan, they were hurt and helped by their times repesctfully. Carter, had he been president in a less strenuous or prosperous time, would have done fine. He wasn't ready for the energy crisis, the hostage crisis, and all the other shit that plagued the late 70s and early 80s. Ronnie, on the other hand, while his effects on the economy are debatable, was a good president for the times. He told the collapsing Soviet Union to get its head out of its ass and pull its shit together, and it did. Had he been president in a less stressful time, I don't think he would have been as popular, contrary to Carter.

[DZComposer]

DZ, everybody on this topic, I apologize for the wrong facts that I may have stated. The people I live around don't like Obama because he's black, the people I go to church with just say he's a bad president. I'm sorry if I offended anybody with the wrong facts I was told.

I still agree with Julius though

My feeling tword Obama is neutral 

Don't worry about it. There's a lot of FUD floating around, and if you live in conservative areas, it gets thrown around as if it were fact. If you're not used to catching FUD, it can be easy to miss, especially because it is a case of the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, which is one of the more powerful of the informal fallacies.

Also, a little research can light the way sometimes. I remember seeing a sign at a tea part rally that said "Keep the Government out of my Medicare." This person utterly failed to realize that Medicare is a government program. :roll:

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Christian means Christ-follower. All a church needs to qualify as Christian is to accept Jesus Christ as savior, technically. So yeah.

That's just it, only "technically", but in every other way they're just exploiting religion for their own self-aggrandisement

Be careful of that. USA still

has the 'Thug of the World' title

among 'third-world' nations just

because of Imperialism. We live

in an age were most people like

bla,blah and blah. Sure, do anything

you what with YOUR country, but leave

others alone, for the most part. It is

unlikely a new World War will happen

anytime soon, so large military budgets

are an unnecessary extravagance.

Imperialism does not works. Sooner or

later someone will fight back. And when

it happens, the bite will be lethal.

I personally don't care what the world thinks of America,  the world hates America no matter what it does, and I think that if the world is going to hate you, it should be out of fear rather than contempt.  The world will never accept America, they will always hate it, so I say America needs to wise up, and realize that.  (I believe in taking it a step further, by fighting hate with more hate, and crush all opposition under my [jack] boots.)  Magneto was right!

Back OT,

Obama took over, with pipe dreams that he could save the world, but he didn't realize that the E.O.P. is not the same as it was 200 years ago, when politicians still [mostly] served the people.

[Guest DRL]

I personally don't care what the world thinks of America,  the world hates America no matter what it does, and I think that if the world is going to hate you, it should be out of fear rather than contempt.

But that is contradictory.

The 'WHY' as to the reason of

many nations hating it is exactly

due to that. By being like that,

you do not 'inspire fear' - you

only give a reason for the cheap

partisian to rise on his country.

Instead, show the world that

your economy is the best, and/or

that you have top-tech. Just like

Japan - and on the econmic part

China to an extent, do.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

But that is contradictory.

The 'WHY' as to the reason of

many nations hating it is exactly

due to that. By being like that,

you do not 'inspire fear' - you

only give a reason for the cheap

partisian to rise on his country.

Instead, show the world that

your economy is the best, and/or

that you have top-tech. Just like

Japan - and on the econmic part

China to an extent, do.

Yeah right!

Anyways, BACK OT,

Being the President seems like you could make a difference, but it seems that the Power of the E.O.P. is receding.  The special interest, lobbyists, the rich, have slowly seized more and more power over the Pres for years.  In the 18th Century, farmers, plantation owners, shipping merchants, they secretly controlled the Pres, and who got elected, not so much based on "people's votes", but which candidate would play by these lobbyists rules.  In the 1800's, with the Industrial Revolution, these shadowy special interest rich thugs gained more power over the politicians.  And of course, they got more and more powerful over the years.  Sure explains why some presidents politically performed the way they did...

Big oil controls both parties, so even if a Republican was elected, BP would probably still get away with the crap they pulled.

Politicians, they're just...paper pushers for rich scum.