Opinion on Barack Obama (USA Pres.)

[Robert Monroe]

I think the problem most nations have with the USA is that the USA is suppsoed to be this champion of prosperity and freedom, and we don't live up to it all the time. We're expected to know better, even though we're just as fallacious as any other nation, not to mention we're YOUNG AS HELL, and still have a lot of experimenting to go through. We don't meet what is sometimes unreasonable expectations.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I think the problem most nations have with the USA is that the USA is suppsoed to be this champion of prosperity and freedom, and we don't live up to it all the time. We're expected to know better, even though we're just as fallacious as any other nation, not to mention we're YOUNG AS HELL, and still have a lot of experimenting to go through. We don't meet what is sometimes unreasonable expectations.

That's especially true.

That Bosnia thing was a crock of shit.  NATO Europe should police their its own Balkhans backyard.

[Asper Sarnoff]

I think the problem most nations have with the USA is that the USA is suppsoed to be this champion of prosperity and freedom, and we don't live up to it all the time. We're expected to know better, even though we're just as fallacious as any other nation, not to mention we're YOUNG AS HELL, and still have a lot of experimenting to go through. We don't meet what is sometimes unreasonable expectations.

The problem most people I know have with the US is that they think the Americans think that their way of doing things are better than those of other, western countries. Which make you awfully unpopular in a culture where those who stick out, both in good or bad ways, from the beige mass of meciocrity is shunned and looked down upon.

[Robert Monroe]

The problem most people I know have with the US is that they think the Americans think that their way of doing things are better than those of other, western countries. Which make you awfully unpopular in a culture where those who stick out, both in good or bad ways, from the beige mass of meciocrity is shunned and looked down upon.

But perhaps the same could be said of ALL nations. Everyone thinks their way of doing something is the best way, and historically the other western nations have done much worse than the USA has ever done to enforce it.

[DZComposer]

That's especially true.

That Bosnia thing was a crock of shit.  NATO should police their own Balkhans backyard.

The US is a member of NATO... :roll:

[Robert Monroe]

The US is a member of NATO...

If the US tried it, we'd get yelled at some more  :trollface:

[Guest Julius Quasar]

The US is a member of NATO...

Unfortunately. 

Though I meant to say "Europe should police its own Balkhans backyard!".

If the US tried it, we'd get yelled at some more 

...totally!  We are pestered by these foreign nations demanding America to help them. 

We then go to help them, we're declared "Imperialists, trying to police the world", we ignore them, we're "Selfish capitalist cowards"...

Fools...

Obama has got to quit with his world wide "Apology Tour".

[Guest DRL]

Unfortunately. 

Though I meant to say "Europe should police its own Balkhans backyard!".

...totally!  We are pestered by these foreign nations demanding America to help them. 

We then go to help them, we're declared "Imperialists, trying to police the world", we ignore them, we're "Selfish capitalist cowards"...

Fools...

Obama has got to quit with his world wide "Apology Tour".

The trouble with that is just what

happened with the Lend-Lease shipments

during World-War II. Not all nations requested it,

yet still received it, and not all nations that requested

it got it. Thus, USA has had many cases where a nation

that did not want US troops on it's soil - yet still got

them, and where a nation that DID want US troops did

not get them.

Not really going to argue with you on that. There are

really some nations (some of which are close

to my country *cough*Venezuela*cough* who do

exactly that. Venezuela one of our close countries

once asked the US to invest in their economy, then

nationalized those induestries and called the US Imperialists... )

that do just that.

[Asper Sarnoff]

But perhaps the same could be said of ALL nations. Everyone thinks their way of doing something is the best way, and historically the other western nations have done much worse than the USA has ever done to enforce it.

Don't think the western nation I'm from have been that bad in this regard. Probably mostly because we were Denmark and Swedens bitch for centuries, but whatever.

Though I meant to say "Europe should police its own Balkhans backyard!".

Like perhaps the European countries should stop helping you in the mess you've gotten yourself into in the Middle East? Alliances works both ways.

...totally!  We are pestered by these foreign nations demanding America to help them. 

We then go to help them, we're declared "Imperialists, trying to police the world", we ignore them, we're "Selfish capitalist cowards"...

Fools...

Not by the same people mind you. Those anti-americans I know that speak down on you wouldn't have asked for or accepted assistance from the US even if it could save the nation from going under.

Impossible to please everyone.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Like perhaps the European countries should stop helping you in the mess you've gotten yourself into in the Middle East? Alliances works both ways.

but...America helped Europe in 2 world wars...and slowed the expansion of the Soviet Union as best it could in the Cold War...

BACK OT:

What really makes me mad about Obama is he keeps bailing out these crooked as banks, letting the greedy execs pocket the money and use it as a golden parachute, while all the homeowners face foreclosure, and the people lose more jobs.  The American Homeowner needs bailing out, not corrupt incompetent banks and predatory lenders.

[Asper Sarnoff]

Damn right you should stop helping us.  (I didn't see any Norweigian Military in Bosnia or in the current wars ) I was against Europe helping us there...it's our fight.  "Go find your own target, Fox!"  WE need to get the hell out of there too.  Otherwise, we'll end up like Soviet Russia.

That's a bad timing to come with that statement Julius, since we just had 4 guys blown skyhigh by a roadmine (Or IED if you prefer) in Afghanistan just over a week ago. We've also over the last years lost soldiers in both Bosnia, Libanon, Kosovo, Tajikistan and as you know, Afghanistan. American military command has several times resorted to Norwegian Hunter-Commandos (Jegerkommandoen) during operations in high altitude, where their own soldiers from mostly lowlands get short on breath, and several high ranking officers in the US Army have expressed that they are their troops of choices for such operations, and on multiple occasions have given interest in decorating several Norwegian soldiers due to their contribution. So far, that has been shot down because our government is unwilling to acknowledge that we are in war.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

That's a bad timing to come with that statement Julius, since we just had 4 guys blown skyhigh by a roadmine (Or IED if you prefer) in Afghanistan just over a week ago. We've also over the last years lost soldiers in both Bosnia, Libanon, Kosovo, Tajikistan and as you know, Afghanistan. American military command has several times resorted to Norwegian Hunter-Commandos (Jegerkommandoen) during operations in high altitude, where their own soldiers from mostly lowlands get short on breath, and several high ranking officers in the US Army have expressed that they are their troops of choices for such operations, and on multiple occasions have given interest in decorating several Norwegian soldiers due to their contribution. So far, that has been shot down because our government is unwilling to acknowledge that we are in war.

Oh, shoot!  I'm sorry *changes statement*

Those guys were from Norway!?  I got those guys mixed up with...well, long story

I'm sorry!

[Asper Sarnoff]

Oh, shoot!  I'm sorry *deletes statement*

Those guys were from Norway!?  I got those guys mixed up with...well, long story

I'm sorry!

Nah, don't worry about it Julius. This is just a tad sore a subject for me due to the way our government chooses to handle it. Simply ignoring that we are in fact at war, calling casualties "accidents", claiming they were only caused due to the opposition confusing our troops for Americans, and then not giving the veterans that return back home the support and help they need and are entitled too.

I don't think I can say all our wars are justified. But the least we can do is to welcome back the guys that where there, at the front, and saw their friends get blown to pieces and experienced terrors beyond compare. Tell them they did good, threat them for their physical and psychic wounds, and give them the respect they deserve.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Nah, don't worry about it Julius. This is just a tad sore a subject for me due to the way our government chooses to handle it. Simply ignoring that we are in fact at war, calling casualties "accidents", claiming they were only caused due to the opposition confusing our troops for Americans, and then not giving the veterans that return back home the support and help they need and are entitled too.

I don't think I can say all our wars are justified. But the least we can do is to welcome back the guys that where there, at the front, and saw their friends get blown to pieces and experienced terrors beyond compare. Tell them they did good, threat them for their physical and psychic wounds, and give them the respect they deserve.

True...I always have respect our troops, and those of our allies.  I'm really sorry about that crappy comment, it  was poorly worded, and I had gotten my facts mixed up, again.  I tried to serve in the military, but the Army shrink said I was "...a biggot, an instigator, a sociopath, and a liability". 

Sadly, Barack would never respect our troops...he never fought in a war, so he doesn't care.  He's such a hypocrite, saying "We're bringing our boys home!", then He sends more troops into Afghanistan.  And the squealing wretched pinhead worshipers of Barack praise him for it, yet they booed Bush for sending troops in there.

That bastard Obama had the nerve to demand our troops pay their own medical bills they sustained in a war HE keeps going.

[Robert Monroe]

but...America helped Europe in 2 world wars...and slowed the expansion of the Soviet Union as best it could in the Cold War...

BACK OT:

What really makes me mad about Obama is he keeps bailing out these crooked as banks, letting the greedy execs pocket the money and use it as a golden parachute, while all the homeowners face foreclosure, and the people lose more jobs.  The American Homeowner needs bailing out, not corrupt incompetent banks and predatory lenders.

Obama's bailouts are my largest problem with him by far. The only way strong companies can prosper is by survival of the fittest. Weak companies need to go under and die out.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Obama's bailouts are my largest problem with him by far. The only way strong companies can prosper is by survival of the fittest. Weak companies need to go under and die out.

^= Win!

[Guest DRL]

Obama's bailouts are my largest problem with him by far. The only way strong companies can prosper is by survival of the fittest. Weak companies need to go under and die out.

Military bailouts? That can be a

good thing. US economy needs to

recover, and keeping fighting in a war

at all costs does nothing but damage it

more.

Never-the-less...

That bastard Obama had the nerve to demand our troops pay their own medical bills they sustained in a war HE keeps going.

Why the HYPER did he do THAT?!

I mean, pulling out your troops can

be a good move; making them pay

their own bills is far worse than keeping

the war going at full. It is just like saying:

"Yeah, you keep fighting, but now we will

not send you any medical equipment."

I agree that was a dummies' move.

[Robert Monroe]

Military bailouts? That can be a

good thing. US economy needs to

recover, and keeping fighting in a war

at all costs does nothing but damage it

more.

The US Military is not a company, it is a government organization. I'm talk about things like Chrysler, or the several banks, that all almost went under but Obama gave them bail. A nation can lose some companies, it can't lose its military.

[Guest DRL]

The US Military is not a company, it is a government organization. I'm talk about things like Chrysler, or the several banks, that all almost went under but Obama gave them bail. A nation can lose some companies, it can't lose its military.

O-Kay, then I probably mixed-up

the meaning of 'bail'.

Also, as far as I know, several banks

went bankrupt and were nationalized.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

My Uncle thinks Obama is perfect, and can do no wrong...my Uncle is so stupid.  xD

[Robert Monroe]

My Uncle thinks Obama is perfect, and can do no wrong...my Uncle is so stupid.  xD

Anyone who says that about any politician is stupid.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Anyone who says that about any politician is stupid.

Totally.  Even as a Republican, even I acknowledge that Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan had their flaws.

[DZComposer]

Obama's bailouts are my largest problem with him by far. The only way strong companies can prosper is by survival of the fittest. Weak companies need to go under and die out.

Uhm... It was Bush who did most of the bailouts.

Anyway, while I agree with you in the micro, when you look at the macro, unfortunately, bailing out some firms is a must due to their sheer size. If AIG, for instance, had failed, the majority of US banks would have also failed. Large numbers of bank failures would leave the economy in ruin. I'm usually all for letting a company fail if it screws up, but if that failure has massive collateral damage, then the proper move is to prevent that from happening. You either make the collateral damage whole, or you prevent the failure. Both would be considered a "bailout."

Of course, my philosophy here is that government should not allow companies to get so large that their failure could jeopardize the economy. Too big to fail is too big to exist. The proper course of action if the government steps in is to break the company up so that they can no longer fail in a way that threatens the economy. Of course, enforcing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act would help as well.

[Robert Monroe]

Uhm... It was Bush who did most of the bailouts.

Never said I liked him either  :trollface:

[Sapphire]

Never said I liked him either 

I liked Bush. :)