Euthanaisa

[Fana McCloud]

But well, if they choose not to be cured,

right, but then do not ask for an easy

route. I hate when people want it to be

everything easy. Sure, you are in great

pain, and you can not be cured? Okay,

we can put you to sleep if you wish.

If you CAN be cured and do not want to,

well, it is okay, but then do not ask to

be put to sleep.

Well if people shouldn't have things easy, then maybe we shouldn't even be here talking - the Internet just makes it too gosh darn easy to communicate, after all. We should all be using smoke signals instead.

Seriously, if taking the easy route doesn't directly harm someone else, why is it such an issue with you?

[TheRedFox8]

We should all be using smoke signals instead.

Even better- Semaphore!

[Guest DRL]

Well if people shouldn't have things easy, then maybe we shouldn't even be here talking - the Internet just makes it too gosh darn easy to communicate, after all. We should all be using smoke signals instead.

Seriously, if taking the easy route doesn't directly harm someone else, why is it such an issue with you?

In other words: When you can

be cured, all that is left is non-physical

pain, should you have that.

Therefore, we return to the situation

"I want to suicide because I lost bla,

bla,bla...ect." I have already stated my

position on that. Do you have a condition -

which regardless of painful or not, does not

allows you to live life to full, and can not

be reversed? - Fine, then you can ask to be

put to sleep.

If you have no physical pain at all, or have

a disease/situation that DOES have a cure/solution,

and after applying it you WILL get better, then it

no longer becomes a 'will get worse' solution.

Fell free to use the raiload tracks, jump from a high

place, ect.

And I do not consider the Internet an 'easy' route,

to be honest, because I have an USB modem which

is as slow as a snail sometimes. LAN runs way faster.

[Fana McCloud]

If you have no physical pain at all, or have

a disease/situation that DOES have a cure/solution,

and after applying it you WILL get better, then it

no longer becomes a 'will get worse' solution.

Fell free to use the raiload tracks, jump from a high

place, ect.

So in other words, if you don't personally like someone's motivation for doing something, and even if it doesn't harm someone else directly, they should suffer a more painful death because "you" don't like it. Granted, not all opinions can be resolved to something rational that respects peoples' individual rights - sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. This is probably one of those cases.

And I do not consider the Internet an 'easy' route,

to be honest, because I have an USB modem which

is as slow as a snail sometimes. LAN runs way faster.

It's still WAY easier and faster than non-technologically based methods of communication - personal handicaps in the area of your Internet connection notwithstanding. XD You don't even need a LAN to get good speeds, you just need an ethernet based modem. The fact that ISPs seem to be pushing USB modems left and right while also advertising "blazingly fast speeds!" makes me facepalm.

[Guest DRL]

So in other words, if you don't personally like someone's motivation for doing something, and even if it doesn't harm someone else directly, they should suffer a more painful death because "you" don't like it. Granted, not all opinions can be resolved to something rational that respects peoples' individual rights - sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. This is probably one of those cases.

No idea what you are trying to call

me with that. Yes, I am not 100%

leftist. I am NOT 'Democratic' (I

think I already stated that before).

To be honest, this is issue is, to me,

broken down to this:

1] A person has a dissease or situation

    which is unsolvavle in the long term.

2] The person request the right to die.

3] I grant it.

Where this chain break? In point 1]!

If THERE IS a cure, then the 'automatic'

deal is to be cured. Euthanasia is fine for

'no-go' situations, but when YOU CAN get

better, the best choice is to get better.

The person who does not want to get cured

is no less than the emo who does not wants

to live anymore but has no illness at all.

If they do not want to be cured, fine, but

this is no longer a 'no-go' situation (because

regardless of your chooice you CAN be cured.)

[Fana McCloud]

Where this chain break? In point 1]!

If THERE IS a cure, then the 'automatic'

deal is to be cured. Euthanasia is fine for

'no-go' situations, but when YOU CAN get

better, the best choice is to get better.

The main sticking point is that you presume to know what is "best" for another person, and would have your will enforced upon them (that is, prohibiting euthanasia to someone whose condition is by your definition curable), when what they want isn't a detriment to anyone else. I think that a person should be able to choose for themselves without others interfering. That is what I was implying.

[Guest DRL]

The main sticking point is that you presume to know what is "best" for another person, and would have your will enforced upon them (that is, prohibiting euthanasia to someone whose condition is by your definition curable), when what they want isn't a detriment to anyone else. I think that a person should be able to choose for themselves without others interfering. That is what I was implying.

I mean no offense,

- but as I see it - choosing

to not be cured from a curable

dissease (that in the long term

will ensure in periods of pain),

to me it is just simple, blatant

stupidity. Everyone has their

own choices, even being a dummy.

BUT that does not means that I

like it when people act like dummies.

In this case, if a man/woman/other being

does not wants to be cured, KNOWING that

such dissease CAN be cured, and if not cured

will result in periods of pain, I see it as - repeating

mysef - blatant stupidity. It is okay to ask for

the death 'deal' if you are in need to, because I do

not want any citizen to suffer from a non-curable/

non-reversable situation. But when that situation

is reversable, then the best course of action is

to reverse it. If you choose not to, fine, but then

do not come crying later when the pain is too

much to bear.

[Fana McCloud]

I mean no offense,

- but as I see it - choosing

to not be cured from a curable

dissease (that in the long term

will ensure in periods of pain),

to me it is just simple, blatant

stupidity. Everyone has their

own choices, even being a dummy.

BUT that does not means that I

like it when people act like dummies.

In this case, if a man/woman/other being

does not wants to be cured, KNOWING that

such dissease CAN be cured, and if not cured

will result in periods of pain, I see it as - repeating

mysef - blatant stupidity. It is okay to ask for

the death 'deal' if you are in need to, because I do

not want any citizen to suffer from a non-curable/

non-reversable situation. But when that situation

is reversable, then the best course of action is

to reverse it. If you choose not to, fine, but then

do not come crying later when the pain is too

much to bear.

What one man would call a stupid choice, another would call a good one. It just depends on the person and their situation. I don't like it when people act like dummies by my definition either. But if they only harm themselves in the process, they can be as stupid as they want in my book. Doesn't mean I won't make fun of 'em though. XD But I wouldn't dream of infringing on someone's right to conduct their own lives (and deaths) according to whatever makes THEM happy.

[Guest DRL]

What one man would call a stupid choice, another would call a good one. It just depends on the person and their situation. I don't like it when people act like dummies by my definition either. But if they only harm themselves in the process, they can be as stupid as they want in my book. Doesn't mean I won't make fun of 'em though. XD But I wouldn't dream of infringing on someone's right to conduct their own lives (and deaths) according to whatever makes THEM happy.

As I see it, death can only make

happy an uberly depressive emo.

Of course each one should live

it's own life, but when law and order

are involved, some serious actions

have to be made, and considerations

taken. Fully welcoming Euthanaisa will

cause the death of many in easier

situations, when just taking a little time to

overcome them is enought. Letting people

take it if they choose not to be cured is

foolish. Everyone has the freedom to do

as they wish, and an alternative must allways

exists. That is it - AN - alternative. When

the choice someone takes is obviously foolish,

however, then they see the foolish results

of their actions.

Same situation: the hand is close to a hot pan.

If  know that keeping it there will result in

later pain, so why not remove it? But it is okay, if

choose to keep it there, fine. But when later

pain comes, it comes, and a fool has been a fool.

[Fira-Astrali]

As I see it, death can only make

happy an uberly depressive emo.

Of course each one should live

it's own life, but when law and order

are involved, some serious actions

have to be made, and considerations

taken. Fully welcoming Euthanaisa will

cause the death of many in easier

situations, when just taking a little time to

overcome them is enought. Letting people

take it if they choose not to be cured is

foolish. Everyone has the freedom to do

as they wish, and an alternative must allways

exists. That is it - AN - alternative. When

the choice someone takes is obviously foolish,

however, then they see the foolish results

of their actions.

Same situation: the hand is close to a hot pan.

If  know that keeping it there will result in

later pain, so why not remove it? But it is okay, if

choose to keep it there, fine. But when later

pain comes, it comes, and a fool has been a fool.

I think what she's trying to get across to you is, if they want their hand in the hot pan, they've got the right to keep their hand in the hot pan, and it doesnt matter if you think its dumb, because its their hand and they can do what they want with it.

[Fana McCloud]

This seems to have turned into a loop, so there doesn't seem to be any further point in discussing it - but Astrali is right about what I wish to communicate, whether you understand or don't. XD

[Guest DRL]

This seems to have turned into a loop, so there doesn't seem to be any further point in discussing it - but Astrali is right about what I wish to communicate, whether you understand or don't. XD

I do, but I find such point to

find in the foolish category.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

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