Martial Arts

[Geo Stelar]

Martial arts have been a self-defense and fighting system since a long time ago. It's been used for varied purposes, mainly for self-defense. A big percentage uses it in tournaments. And there are many other different martial arts than those I listed. So, what's your style?

[Vy'drach]

I put down Ninjutsu (which I hope you're not mistaking for Ninjitsu), even though it's not really a martial art since it's more a philosophy as opposed to a set fighting style. Ninjutsu even encourages you to learn as many different fighting styles as you can, because restricting yourself to just one is a foolish idea.

Also love Ninjutsu because one of its teachings is that there is no honour. Anything goes, so long as you risk yourself the least, and attain your goal.

[Sabre]

I put down Ninjutsu (which I hope you're not mistaking for Ninjitsu), even though it's not really a martial art since it's more a philosophy as opposed to a set fighting style. Ninjutsu even encourages you to learn as many different fighting styles as you can, because restricting yourself to just one is a foolish idea.

Also love Ninjutsu because one of its teachings is that there is no honour. Anything goes, so long as you risk yourself the least, and attain your goal.

Then pick one that works, like Krav Maga.

I come across these types of arguments alot, and Martial Arts are outdated, and mostly used as sports rather then real combat. I often joke with a friend about 'Ard Fu. A joking term for thugish street fighting. You know the scene in Wild Wild West where will smith hits the karate man with a shoval? That. I have yet to see a fighting system that can counter a kick to the bollocks and being hit with a computer monitor.

The basic knowlage of HOW they work is much more effective for me then knowing drills and fancy poses. Ultimatly a crash hemelt would protect you better then martial arts.

[Vy'drach]

I come across these types of arguments alot, and Martial Arts are outdated, and mostly used as sports rather then real combat. I often joke with a friend about 'Ard Fu. A joking term for thugish street fighting. You know the scene in Wild Wild West where will smith hits the karate man with a shoval? That. I have yet to see a fighting system that can counter a kick to the bollocks and being hit with a computer monitor.

That right there is one of the teachings of Ninjutsu, as well. Anything can be used as a weapon, and anything goes.

[Geo Stelar]

I like Kung-Fu.

Ninjutsu also attracts my attention.

[Guest FoXXX]

Bruce Lee recommends Kung-Fu

[Fluxy]

Aikido. Turned brown belt just before I had to leave and quit it.

[Dublinthefox]

I've dona a little bit  of judo with some of my friends.

[CrypticQuery]

THERE'S MORE THAN 1?!??!

Haha, seriously though, I really can't tell the difference or know enough about any of them to make a decision.

[fox1235]

THERE'S MORE THAN 1?!??!

Haha, seriously though, I really can't tell the difference or know enough about any of them to make a decision.

Heres a list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts

[CrypticQuery]

Heres a list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts

Thanks, my eyes melted at the sheer walls of text

[Geo Stelar]

Thanks, my eyes melted at the sheer walls of text

WAlls? Walls? Do a Wall Jump!

:lol:

[CrypticQuery]

WAlls? Walls? Do a Wall Jump!

Haha .  Seriously though, there are A LOT of variations :shock:

[Guest Xzayvior]

I'm in training for Kajukenbo. Which is still a style of Kung-Fu, so that's what I voted for.

Kajukenbo is a mix between Kung-Fu, Judo, and Jujitsu (Mostly Kung-Fu though). And originated in Hawaii. Titled "The Art of Breaking Bones," it uses a lot of pressure point techniques and grappling moves. While the poses amy seem pure fluff, they actually serve a purpose. While you're most likely not going to actually use the poses, they teach you how to properly root yourself and turn into an immovable object AND an unstoppable force. While Kajukenbo may be Hawaiian in origin, it holds true to its roots. Outside that, I study the animal arts of original Kung-Fu, and seem to fit more into the Dragon style. And I hope to learn the style from a true Sifu one day rather than an internet learner's guide.

And BTW Sabre; Martial arts are far from outdated. A lot of martial arts will not only teach you how to kick someones ass, but like Ninjutsu, they can pull you out of a sticky situation. Almost every martial art requires you to gain proper flexibility and evasive techniques. Not only that, but if you haven't noticed, Martial arts have many disarming techniques. So Knives and sometimes guns, prove next to useless against a well trained Martial artist. I will say this though, street fighting is a valuable resource for self defense, but Street fighting is the most basic level of fighting. In the end, the winner of a street fight is deteremined by the one who's got more power. Martial Arts contain ways to counter your agressors weight and use it against them. And no, a Crash Helmet would NOT protect you nearly as well as  Kung-Fu, Judo, Karate, or Taekwondo. No offense, but that was a poor comparison.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Kung Fu, and Ninjitsu.

[Sabre]

I'm in training for Kajukenbo. Which is still a style of Kung-Fu, so that's what I voted for.

Kajukenbo is a mix between Kung-Fu, Judo, and Jujitsu (Mostly Kung-Fu though). And originated in Hawaii. Titled "The Art of Breaking Bones," it uses a lot of pressure point techniques and grappling moves. While the poses amy seem pure fluff, they actually serve a purpose. While you're most likely not going to actually use the poses, they teach you how to properly root yourself and turn into an immovable object AND an unstoppable force. While Kajukenbo may be Hawaiian in origin, it holds true to its roots. Outside that, I study the animal arts of original Kung-Fu, and seem to fit more into the Dragon style. And I hope to learn the style from a true Sifu one day rather than an internet learner's guide.

And BTW Sabre; Martial arts are far from outdated. A lot of martial arts will not only teach you how to kick someones ass, but like Ninjutsu, they can pull you out of a sticky situation. Almost every martial art requires you to gain proper flexibility and evasive techniques. Not only that, but if you haven't noticed, Martial arts have many disarming techniques. So Knives and sometimes guns, prove next to useless against a well trained Martial artist. I will say this though, street fighting is a valuable resource for self defense, but Street fighting is the most basic level of fighting. In the end, the winner of a street fight is deteremined by the one who's got more power. Martial Arts contain ways to counter your agressors weight and use it against them. And no, a Crash Helmet would NOT protect you nearly as well as  Kung-Fu, Judo, Karate, or Taekwondo. No offense, but that was a poor comparison.

As cool as your icon is, I disagree entirly.

Street fighting is not based on power, and as I know from experence, martial arts do not make you some kind of imoratal bad arse. At risk of poisening the well, you are invested in the subject so it's in your interest to justify it to yourself. If you think it has worked for you, gave you confidence, stop reading now.

...No, Im serious, it will smash your world view and make you cry.

One story that is relivent is how the world greatest swordsman (Musashi I'm told his name is, dunno if he was real) was beaten by a farmer with no training because the swordman had no clue what the farmer was going to do. There is also the pharse "Professial soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amaturs."

Knowlage of how to punch or kick might help a bit, but in a street fight there are many more variables. Being unpredicatable and lethal, 2 things most martail arts beliberatly avoid, are key, along with all the mind games that martial arts don't train. As I said previously, I have yet to see a martail art that trains agains PC over the head, Kick to the bollocks, how to use a chair as a weapon ect. Yes, that knife defence might work if you happen to be 1 on 1 with a man with a knife holding it a certain way, but what will you do against a super human monster armed with a bin intent on your murder?

Most martial arts are done for sport, meditation, excersise, or for some very specific situation. If you are skilled with Nunchuks, great, but what are the chances you will have them ready when a drunk get's in your face?

[Guest Xzayvior]

If that was supposed to "smash my world and make me cry" how about some proper grammar and spelling first. And please, do not challenge me with something like that. Last time I checked, and I'm sorry for backseat modding but, this is a forum. Where all users should be comfortable to post something. Not a place where you can say or do whatever you want. Oh, and trust me. You'll have to say something absolutely horrendous to even get a twinge out of me. Also, you missed my point entirely. M'kay? :D

[Robert Monroe]

My brother has been doing hapkido for several years now. I would have joined him when he started, but I was sort of an arrogant asshole back then, so it never caught on.

["User"]

If that was supposed to "smash my world and make me cry" how about some proper grammar and spelling first.

This is the Internet. Not everyone is going to really give a crap about grammar or spelling.  Furthermore...if that's the first thing you end up bringing up in your rebuttal to his argument/opinion instead of offering a countering point of view to dispel what he is saying (which, by the way, had no violation of the rules) then you're just as "bad".

And please, do not challenge me with something like that. Last time I checked, and I'm sorry for backseat modding but, this is a forum.

He has a point though...if I was in an argument comparing the competitive side Laser tag to something like Paintball it would for sure be assumed that I would have a vested interest in justifying Laser tag as a competitive game, and I wouldn't deny it because it's true.  Hence it would be more difficult for me to give an impartial point of view.

By the way use the Report to moderator button if you take exception with something he's saying and the mods will review it.  Backseat modding will not be tolerated.

Where all users should be comfortable to post something. Not a place where you can say or do whatever you want.

Yet you just called him out on his grammar and spelling, which to me is irrelevant to the debate as a whole and can easily be taken as something of a personal attack.  Sabre's post, at the worst, said you had a vested interest in proving your point of view.  Regardless of whether this is true or not the best way to deal with this "calling out" is to again, provide an effective counter argument. Sabre had no rule violations and heck he was just expressing his viewpoint on martial arts as a whole.  As a martial artist yourself I would have honestly expected you to counter his rebuttal with facts, or at least your "professional opinion" or at the very least, in the end, agree to disagree and not resort to this kind of post...

Oh, and trust me. You'll have to say something absolutely horrendous to even get a twinge out of me. Also, you missed my point entirely. M'kay?

The "...No, Im serious, it will smash your world view and make you cry." I'm very sure was just in jest/sarcasm and wasn't meant to be taken seriously. 

[Guest Xzayvior]

*POST*

Sorry about that bit, I had limited room to explain my case. Seeing as I was on my phone, which only allows 512 characters per text box. But I'm going to drop it for now, as it is trivial, and I should have not pursued it in the first place. No need ruining a day for anyone just to make a point.

[Sabre]

If that was supposed to "smash my world and make me cry" how about some proper grammar and spelling first.

No, it wasn't. I meant it as in your view on the world that you are the one true cool unstopable bad arse. Something most trained fighters believe. Also, I'm English, so I have to put up with your misspellings all the time. It's crisps, not chips, chips are what you call fries. Honour, Colour, Centre, also pants go on the inside unless you're a super hero. Finally, it's "I couldn't care less" not "I could care less" because "I could care less" implies you care.

My brother has been doing hapkido for several years now. I would have joined him when he started, but I was sort of an arrogant asshole back then, so it never caught on.

Back then? But as I just said, martial arts does that to people even if they weren't before.

He has a point though...if I was in an argument comparing the competitive side Laser tag to something like Paintball it would for sure be assumed that I would have a vested interest in justifying Laser tag as a competitive game, and I wouldn't deny it because it's true.  Hence it would be more difficult for me to give an impartial point of view.

Indeed. As I acknowlaged though, it could be concidered poisening the well, which is a pre-emptive personal attack to discredit the opponant. I do believe it is relevent though.

Sabre had no rule violations and heck he was just expressing his viewpoint on martial arts as a whole.  As a martial artist yourself I would have honestly expected you to counter his rebuttal with facts, or at least your "professional opinion" or at the very least, in the end, agree to disagree

No point. I did martial arts myself and thus where I developed the opinion that it's crap. I did kick boxing in college which came with a bunch of illegal self defence moves. I scared away some students due to size and embarressed myself a few times by not being able to keep up with the girls (I was the only guy there). But other then the fitness and knowlage of how to punch harder, there really isnt much there practically.

My fighting experience has put me against karate men, boxing men, army men, 'ard cases and the like and they all lost.

To hammer the point in for the last time. Karate doesn't protect against a kick to the bollocks or claws to the eyes, boxing dose not protect you from office furtinure, army training doesn't prepair you for an attack from someone using a pen as a weapon, and a reputation does not stop your head from smashed repeatedly off a concrete wall.

[Guest Xzayvior]

KEY POINT: S**t happens to even the best of us. And in no way did I ever imply that having Martial arts training makes you unstoppable. You took that completely out of context. All I did was discredit what you said about a crash helmet protecting you more than Martial Arts. Oh, and BTW, just because one is trained a certain way, doesn't mean they won't deviate from it. So in essence, a martial artist CAN be as unpredictable as the average joe. It all depends on how you utilize your knowledge.

[Robert Monroe]

Back then? But as I just said, martial arts does that to people even if they weren't before.

Um... what? I don't care what you said, I DIDN'T take martial arts because I was an arrogant asshole I didn't become one because I took it. You know, that whole "2cool4school" shit.

Any level of education can turn someone into an asshole if they beleive their knowledge or abilities places them higher on a social totem pole than the other peons in their lives, this is not even close to limited to martial arts. I don't even see why you brought this up :|

[Geo Stelar]

KEY POINT: S**t happens to even the best of us. And in no way did I ever imply that having Martial arts training makes you unstoppable. You took that completely out of context. All I did was discredit what you said about a crash helmet protecting you more than Martial Arts. Oh, and BTW, just because one is trained a certain way, doesn't mean they won't deviate from it. So in essence, a martial artist CAN be as unpredictable as the average joe. It all depends on how you utilize your knowledge.

(Off-topic: You literally remind me of someone)

[Guest Xzayvior]

OT: May I ask who?