Still living with your parents as an adult...

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Basically, living with your parents as an adult used to be a shameful, embarrassing thing.  Back then, it was stereotyped that the only people who did that were "basement dwelling geeks who roleplay too much", Italian, Jewish, or Asian stereotypes , or slackers, druggies, or high school dropouts.  But today, more people are doing it.  There are kids who graduated college, $120,000+ in debt, there are grownups with spouses and children of their own, moving back in with their parents.  No place to go anymore...."The Boomerang Generation".

The days of the "Nuclear Family/Household" are gone.  The middle class: gone.  The problem is that the college diplomas, now saturating the job market, are now "obsolete".  Also, many jobs are gone now, blue collar manufacturing jobs have gone to 3rd world sweatshops in China, Pakistan, Thailand, India, and Bangladesh, making cheap, poor quality, mass quantity goods "at a more affordable price for the [broke/jobless] consumer!" and cubicle jobs sent to India, Malaysia, and Hong Kong.  Housing prices, rents, and interest rates are unaffordable, especially in Cali, where the foreclosure rate is among the highest in America.  The lack of jobs, overpopulation, illegal immigrants taking jobs that can't be outsourced, the advancement of technology more efficiently putting more people out of work (A computer does the work of 10 people, maybe even more).

Some people never figured out what to do with their lives, college educated or not...it's not a question of laziness, or even "late bloomer" (no such thing as that "late bloomer" nonsense, IMO).  There's too many options, and not enough opportunities.  America is degrading into a 3rd world hell-hole.

The early 2000's recession saw no break, as we've fallen deeper.  A "double dip recession".  A typical family now has got 3 generations living under 1 roof, all sharing 1 bathroom or 2 bathrooms.  A f***ing shame.  It still sucks to live at home with your parents, especially if you're like me and don't get along with your family at all.

I tell you one thing, if, God willing, I ever move out of my parents' house, I ain't NEVER moving back into my parents house, except as ashes in an urn.

Any other thoughts on this?

[Robert Monroe]

I live with my parents, but its moreso out of personal preference than economic reasons. They don't care, and I'm willing to accept the hospitality.

[Vy'drach]

Hehe, I still live with my parents, though I believe it was always rather common for my age to do so. Not sure when the expected age to move out was, but a large part of it is because I am not good with other people too much. Don't have a lot of... real world experience, and don't know half of the shit I should (which I really should work on....).

[Sabre]

Here it's not had the same level of shame as it did in the US.

Although, the middle class isn't gone. If anything the gap has widened. Some say it's brought back the class system, though imo it never left.

[DZComposer]

The so-called "Nuclear Family" everyone talks about is not the norm throughout human history. Most family structures throughout history were polygamist, and also multi-generational. More people throughout the world live in multi-generational homes that do not.

I find your political views interesting. You correctly identified the issues, yet the ideas you support are the very ones that created these issues: Deregulation, the destruction of unions, free trade agreements, etc are all contributing factors to this. We've had 30 years of top-down economic policy, and in those years, the rich have gotten richer, and everyone else has gotten poorer.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

The so-called "Nuclear Family" everyone talks about is not the norm throughout human history. Most family structures throughout history were polygamist, and also multi-generational. More people throughout the world live in multi-generational homes that do not.

I find your political views interesting. You correctly identified the issues, yet the ideas you support are the very ones that created these issues: Deregulation, the destruction of unions, free trade agreements, etc are all contributing factors to this. We've had 30 years of top-down economic policy, and in those years, the rich have gotten richer, and everyone else has gotten poorer.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  I'm not "for the destruction of unions"...nor am I pro deregulation.  I'm sure as hell not for free trade agreements, sorry if that was the impression you got from me 

Back OT, I see a ray of hope for me, I *might* be able to move out in a year or two (circumstances pending). :D

["User"]

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  I'm not "for the destruction of unions"...nor am I pro deregulation.  I'm sure as hell not for free trade agreements, sorry if that was the impression you got from me 

Lol, like DZ I got the same impression from you given you lean more to the right.  :lol:

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Lol, like DZ I got the same impression from you given you lean more to the right. 

I ain't your traditional "grumpy old republican"... 

But...yeah, I guess it's more of a "competitive white [American] persons thing" to

ridicule those grown [male] adults who still live at home with their parents...

Also, I forgot to add "basement dwelling geeks who roleplay too much" to the list of stereotypes placed on adults still living at home...

As far as I know, the mocking of adults still living with their parents started in America in the...late '40's or early '50's...

Today there's more sympathy for adults still living or moving back in with parents...hell, the "Murphy Beds" have made a huge comeback.

[Sabre]

The so-called "Nuclear Family" everyone talks about is not the norm throughout human history. Most family structures throughout history were polygamist, and also multi-generational. More people throughout the world live in multi-generational homes that do not.

I find your political views interesting. You correctly identified the issues, yet the ideas you support are the very ones that created these issues: Deregulation, the destruction of unions, free trade agreements, etc are all contributing factors to this. We've had 30 years of top-down economic policy, and in those years, the rich have gotten richer, and everyone else has gotten poorer.

I hate this "Left v Right" simplification (is that a word?) of polatics. False dicotamy, only not horribly miss spelled.

Aaanyway. It's strange how attatched people are to the idea of what you call the nuclear family. The selective ways they choose to interperate things like the bible to support that belief. I like the polyigamy idea (although I would be lucky to even get 1 gf) even if I won't benifit personally. People treat you as a monster for even mentioning it ...you monster.

[Redeemer]

I moved away from home when I was 17, and I would never move back. I don't get along with my family, although I try really hard to. My mum told me once that she thinks I'm maybe a bit too free-spirited, and no one is really used to that at home. My little brother is the only one with real life friends.

I think it's great more people are staying at home, but it's just not for me. I can't even handle a week before I start to feel like I'm the only one who has tasted the outside world. I'm 21, and I still get told off for laughing at rude humour, enjoying alcohol, or having a crude sense of humour at times. It's like none of them have actually LIVED, and since I've lived in Dundee for 4 years now, I find it hard to communicate with them now. My dad is 72, go figure.

However, on topic, alot of my friends are moving back in with their parents simply because they can't afford to have their own place. Rent is too high, food costs too much, and bills are expenisive enough to empty your bank account in one fell swoop. It's the economy, I feel it's not giving them a choice.

[Kursed]

I live with my parents, but its moreso out of personal preference than economic reasons. They don't care, and I'm willing to accept the hospitality.

Probably what I'm going to do for awhile I mean if you get along it's not that big of a deal.

[DZComposer]

I hate this "Left v Right" simplification (is that a word?) of polatics. False dicotamy, only not horribly miss spelled.

You obviously do not know what a false dichotomy really is. I did not try trap him between two non-mutually exclusive choices here. If you want to accuse me of a fallacy, than at least pick the one that is actually closest to what I did, in this case Unwarranted Generalization. He has made a lot of libertarian-leaning posts, and I ended up commenting on sections of libertarian philosophy compared to what he said.

I didn't do it intentionally, as I could have sword reading him talk about unions as being a problem in our economy, and about regulations getting in the way of our economy, but if I was wrong, I was wrong.

[Sabre]

I wasn't accusing you. I was saying generally. Your suprise at his political views was what I was refering too.

[Guest Julius Quasar]

I'll be glad when I move out.  Ugh, that day can't come any damn sooner.  I hate my parents.  They're lazy, dependent, demanding, stupid, judgmental a******s....

It's no wonder neither of my older sisters who moved out of here don't call or contact mom and dad. 

[Sabre]

Maybe I've been playing to much Monday Night Combat, but I confused for a moment because I thought you said

"They're lazy, dependent, demanding, stupid, judgmental assasins...."

[Guest Julius Quasar]

Anyways, I'm working hard on a plan to move out.  Because the real estate market is in the crapper, hopefully I can get a good deal on a halfway decent house in town.